Is GT6's AI actually as unrealistic as we think it is?

Congrats on ramming the walls and other cars repeatedly while missing the racing lines, and missing the entire point of the video in the first place.

Note there's no trick sussy setups on my vehicle?
Didn't even know the brake zones.
Give me as much time as you had and a ds3, I'll give ya a clean replay, better one too.

Not everything has to be about your pride and e-penis size.
By some strange coincidence, exactly what I thought I was trying to tell you.
 
AI except Nascar is pretty decent and professional. Not like other racing games smashing you and unrealistic. F1 2013 AI drivers drive super fast without front wing :banghead:
 
@Lewis_Hamilton_ must be annoying to argue with those who'll make up so many excuses for PD's lack efforts, the AI included. I can't believe others are saying you have to/should lower your car's PP to make a race with the AI competitive... It is the developer's job to program the AI right to make them competitive against the players, it is NOT up to we to do the job for them. Honestly I am laughing my ass off right now by the excuses being made. I say don't argue with those people who over defend everything unless they wake back up to reality.
 
Note there's no trick sussy setups on my vehicle?
Didn't even know the brake zones.
Give me as much time as you had and a ds3, I'll give ya a clean replay, better one too.


By some strange coincidence, exactly what I thought I was trying to tell you.

Yes, and neither was mine, it was pretty much stock with a slight weight loss and power boost and long reverse gear, but what on Earth does this have to do with the topic whatsoever? Nothing at all.

Your second point is basically you admitting to coming into this thread not to actually add anything to the discussion, but instead to try and start an argument.

This place is becoming absolutely pathetic.

@Lewis_Hamilton_ must be annoying to argue with those who'll make up so many excuses for PD's lack efforts, the AI included.

No, it just makes me feel sad for the future.
 
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Seriously King Kong cry about course maker and boo hoo I was promised this that and a box of tricks thinks something is annoying. Now you know how everybody feels when they see you bumped a thread.
 
Maybe PD has a different list of priorities and since they actually know the inner workings of the game & it is their game with Kaz vision, they are in a better position to prioritize. Better ai, its not even on my list so you might be happy they don't go by my priorities as I am glad they don't follow yours. PD has done well in the last 15years without input from either of us. PD should handle PD business as PD sees fit. They have been doing a great job or I wouldn't be playing it still.
I'm glad you're happy with the game. Many of us are not. But if AI isn't even on your list or priorities, why are you a party to this discussion to begin with, seeing as you don't care about the topic at hand?
 
@Lewis_Hamilton_ must be annoying to argue with those who'll make up so many excuses for PD's lack efforts, the AI included. I can't believe others are saying you have to/should lower your car's PP to make a race with the AI competitive... It is the developer's job to program the AI right to make them competitive against the players, it is NOT up to we to do the job for them. Honestly I am laughing my ass off right now by the excuses being made. I say don't argue with those people who over defend everything unless they wake back up to reality.


The game is not intended for everyone. There might be many who are playing a racing game first time ever 💡 There is lots of ways to challenge by using different cars, tires. I never had problem with the AI.
I like it compared to codemasters games who people say have the best AI :confused: People like AI driving unrealistically fast and dirty I guess :banghead:
 
I'm glad you're happy with the game. Many of us are not.

Play something else then. Why are you playing, chatting up, arguing over a game you don't like, play one of those better games, leave us to the game we like.

I'm not on fanboards of games I don't like, I just don't play them, chat them up, or waist time on their boards complaining about how I don't like the game and how it could be made better..

OBVIOUSLY you fanboy GTas your post history shows your here posting practically everyday. You must like the game more than you lead on. I find it sad to see complainers who at the same time cant get enough of the game.......
 
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Ooooo, he getting mad.
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Won't go on any further because I KNOW what will happen next.

No, it just makes me feel sad for the future.
I feel you man. :(
 
Play something else then. Why are you playing, chatting up, arguing over a game you don't like, play one of those better games, leave us to the game we like.

I'm not on fanboards of games I don't like, I just don't play them, chat them up, or waist time on their boards complaining about how I don't like the game and how it could be made better..

OBVIOUSLY you fanboy GTas your post history shows your here posting practically everyday. You must like the game more than you lead on.
Right. Only post here if you like the game:lol: This is a discussion board, we come to discuss the game, love it or hate it all opinions are welcome, so long as we follow the AUP. I have an opinion about the AI because I care about the AI. I'd like to see it dramatically improved, at least to the level of the best PS3 games, when GT7 launches on PS4.

Oh and drop the "fanboy" labeling. It's not polite around here to use that term referring to another member.
 
Seriously the PS4 has enough power to allow very good AI, but so does the PS3. It's probably just PD being bad at programing it properly to make them competitive. :sly:
 
Right. Only post here if you like the game:lol: This is a discussion board, we come to discuss the game, love it or hate it all opinions are welcome, so long as we follow the AUP. I have an opinion about the AI because I care about the AI. I'd like to see it dramatically improved, at least to the level of the best PS3 games, when GT7 launches on PS4.


Then why not "discuss" instead of JUST complaining as some seem to do. I attempted to dig I to the AI mentality but it was met with silly complaints nts instead. I've kept my position on ai good or bad neutral open to discuss one of the points I've been repeating.

In order to analyze the AI behavior we need to understand the WHY in their reactions. This would envolvd MORE than simple observation data, but co sister on theory and testing theory... Nobody complaining ing wants to do that, they just want to complain.
 
Right. Only post here if you like the game:lol: This is a discussion board, we come to discuss the game, love it or hate it all opinions are welcome, so long as we follow the AUP. I have an opinion about the AI because I care about the AI. I'd like to see it dramatically improved, at least to the level of the best PS3 games, when GT7 launches on PS4.

Oh and drop the "fanboy" labeling. It's not polite around here to use that term referring to another member.
Just as it isn't 'polite' to label someone who generally only posts positive things a 'defender'.
Correct?

Just sayin'. ;)
 
The game is not intended for everyone. There might be many who are playing a racing game first time ever 💡 There is lots of ways to challenge by using different cars, tires. I never had problem with the AI.

May I ask why you do not think the game is intended for everyone? Also, why do you believe it is down to the user and not the developer to vary the level of challenge in the game? Surely difficulty sliders would be the better option?

Having to use a very slow car just doesn't seem realistic to me, this is supposed to be a simulator after all.

I liked the older days of gaming when things were extremely challenging and most people loved that fact, they would spend hours to beat the game and the sense of achievement was huge. Nowadays too much is made to be easy and that leaves many people feeling unsatisfied by the experience.
 
. It's probably just PD being bad at programing it properly to make them competitive. :sly:

You must be some genius programmer to spot PDs faults. Oh wait. What exactly have you programmed so well you are in a position to say something as arrogant as that, and you most likely can't reference any of the code let alone spot any with flaws or that was "bad" programming Champ.

Did that guy really ask what makes somebody think the game is made for everybody? That's funny.
 
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Then why not "discuss" instead of JUST complaining as some seem to do. I attempted to dig I to the AI mentality but it was met with silly complaints nts instead. I've kept my position on ai good or bad neutral open to discuss one of the points I've been repeating.

In order to analyze the AI behavior we need to understand the WHY in their reactions. This would envolvd MORE than simple observation data, but co sister on theory and testing theory... Nobody complaining ing wants to do that, they just want to complain.
The question in the OP is, "Is GT6's AI as unrealistic as we think it is?". My response is not, "well maybe if we studied their behaviour we'd understand why they brake 3 times in one corner, or brake exiting a corner, or run a 2:10 first lap and a 2:25 second lap". My response is, "Yes, I think they are the worst AI I've ever seen on console"

You must be some genius programmer to spot PDs faults. Oh wait. What exactly have you programmed so well you are in a position to say something as arrogant as that, and you most likely can't reference any of the code let alone spot any with flaws or that was "bad" programming Champ.
You don't need to be a genius programmer to spot the faults in GT's AI, you only need run a few races in career mode and then watch a replay or two.

 
The question in the OP is, "Is GT6's AI as unrealistic as we think it is?". My response is not, "well maybe if we studied their behaviour we'd understand why they brake 3 times in one corner, or brake exiting a corner, or run a 2:10 first lap and a 2:25 second lap". My response is, "Yes, I think they are the worst AI I've ever seen on console"

And your "yes" was noted, yet you still push on reiterating the point you made that was already clear the first time you made it.

I'm fine with your opinon and have not actually disagreed with that position (lol) do you think it needs to be reiterated or may we dive a little deeper into the subject? Or if we do, do you feel the need to reiterate your opinion every time a post is made that doesn't fall in line with your opinion.

Maybe it wasn't clear to erybody...

Announcing Johnny doesn't like GT6 AI is that CLEAR? He thinks it must be PD is no good at programing. I've got it noted, I understand and that is certainly a position to have.

I still think there is more to it than that.
 
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Play something else then. Why are you playing, chatting up, arguing over a game you don't like, play one of those better games, leave us to the game we like.

I'm not on fanboards of games I don't like, I just don't play them, chat them up, or waist time on their boards complaining about how I don't like the game and how it could be made better..

OBVIOUSLY you fanboy GTas your post history shows your here posting practically everyday. You must like the game more than you lead on. I find it sad to see complainers who at the same time cant get enough of the game.......

Most people here do not play. They spent most their time here because that is their game. :lol: I do not spend too much time here and I know it is frustrating when you see same people saying the same thing over the years but that is what they do :banghead:

May I ask why you do not think the game is intended for everyone? Also, why do you believe it is down to the user and not the developer to vary the level of challenge in the game? Surely difficulty sliders would be the better option?

Having to use a very slow car just doesn't seem realistic to me, this is supposed to be a simulator after all.

I liked the older days of gaming when things were extremely challenging and most people loved that fact, they would spend hours to beat the game and the sense of achievement was huge. Nowadays too much is made to be easy and that leaves many people feeling unsatisfied by the experience.

These days online gaming is more popular and most people do not play the game if they cannot win. GT6 AI is friendly for average player also I guess. But at least it not cheating like other games
 
You missed the "not".

What's funny about that question exactly? He said the game is not for everybody, so who is it for?
Yeah, I didn't write " not" when I should have, the game NOT being for everyone is a joke of an argument as they go extra lengths to make the game accecible to as many as possible, its still a product after all. SRF and many things are so the many not the few can enjoy it.... Made me laugh cus its funny.
 
GT6's bad AI may actually be down to the number of cars there are. Codemasters, IMO the devs with the best AI ATM, talk about 'fine tuning each car to each track'. However a bit of maths tells us this is unrealistic for Polyphony to do. 1200 cars x 84 tracks=100800 combinations. Now if it takes 1 day to do each car, and there are 10 dedicated AI programmers, that would take 10080 days to do, or 29.6 years! It would take a 100 strong team working solely on AI to get it done in a realistic release cycle (~3 years) which is unrealistic. And this doesn't account for the QA testing which would be needed. I'm not defending them, it's just something to think about. Perhaps it really is a case of quality vs quantity and vice-versa.
 
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Has anyone thought that the AI behavior now are more due to design choice by PD ? I think they can make the AI drive much better, maybe even better than GT5's B spec Bobs and GT5 Bobs were better than current GT6 AI :lol: PD just need to give us AI options - some slider, speed in %, strength and emotion like B spec drivers, PP range assigned and mixing of drivers. PD should also adjust the credits prize based on AI options setup.
 
3) we can make competitive races if we choose to.

Again a Fact although it may take more for some than others.
What GT offers aren't races at all (well, at least in my opinion), but something that resembles overtake challenges more than anything. But sure, you can make them more competitive by downgrading your car. That's not how it should work though.
 
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