Israel - Palestine discussion thread
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Every(or almost every) mayor in Nazi Germany or Soviet Union was member of Nazi party or KPSU, thats how its working in totalitarian states. Lebanon in messier state, so I dont know if he member of Hezbollah or not, but it seems logical. As previously was stated, Hezbollah isnt just terrorist organisation, its quasi state with its own police, army, medicine, etc.
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Some reports are saying that the IDF may have killed Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas, in Gaza
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Head of Hamas and many "soldiers" dead. Head of Hezbollah and high-ranking members dead. Where does it go from here....
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West Bank woman shot in the back by Israeli soldiers while harvesting olives
Family of Hanan Abu Salami say they had negotiated permission to attend their olive grove when they were shot at from the nearby separation wall
www.middleeasteye.net
She was probably
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Not enough attention is focussed on what god's chosen people are doing in the West Bank:
Under cover of war, extremists are seizing Palestinian land – they hope permanently
Israeli extremists are working to make settlements in the West Bank irreversible, analysts fear.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Wakey wakey righties, you're being played (LANGUAGE WARNING):
Wakey wakey lefties, you're being played: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-hamas-aims-trap-israel-gaza-quagmire-2023-11-03/
Wakey wakey America, you're being played: https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-...-and-muslim-votes-with-conflicting-messaging/
Is it sinking in to this forum yet?
Wakey wakey lefties, you're being played: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-hamas-aims-trap-israel-gaza-quagmire-2023-11-03/
Wakey wakey America, you're being played: https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-...-and-muslim-votes-with-conflicting-messaging/
Is it sinking in to this forum yet?
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How about you actually explain why we should click on those links and read them, as right now the 'edge-lord' persona you're cos-playing is wearing very, very thin.
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20th October 2024.
4th November 2023.
19th October 2024.
You sure don't have any narrative that you're trying to push, no sirree.
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Good, you saw the date. It's like it's predicting the future. And we've been played. You are reading it from the horse's mouth.20th October 2024.
4th November 2023.
19th October 2024.
You sure don't have any narrative that you're trying to push, no sirree.
This was always the gameplan. Israel knows it (and is happy to kill civilians because they aren't Jews). Hamas knows it (and is happy for civilians to die because it will drag people into conflict). Musk knows it (because he wants power).
It's a sucky feeling. I spent time in 2015 volunteering for a Syrian crisis group amidst the rise of ISIS. I was also wanting to volunteer in Gaza the year before.
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This whole schtick of pretending everyone but you is a moron is... well, it's a mood for sure:
Posted in January, and hardly a new sentiment even then.
But sure, you're the free-thinking prophet with the unique world-view and superior thoughts.
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It's not new and I'm not claiming I'm some magical prophet but the discussion is kinda stagnant here as people refuse to look deeper into the history and acknowledge just how much it's down to religion and the effect it will have on the world. It's a bit silly to say this all started in 1948.
2 state solution? Impossible.
1 state solution? Impossible.
Complete genocide of the Palestinians? Impossible.
This will be played out in the West now and people will associate into tribes based on it. Those tribes include religious factions and will influence elections:
Who are the pro-Gaza independents who unseated Labour MPs?
All four capitalised on dissatisfaction over Labour’s stance on the Gaza war but said they had other priorities too
If we do not acknowledge differences between religions, and assume that Mormonism is the same as Islam is the same as Zoroastrianism, we will be in for a wild ride.
The riots targeted primarily Muslims and asylum seekers based on one false tweet. What happens when the next attack that is actually committed by an Islamist happens? We've already dodged a few thanks to the security services.
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Who... who are you addressing here?It's not new and I'm not claiming I'm some magical prophet but the discussion is kinda stagnant here as people refuse to look deeper into the history and acknowledge just how much it's down to religion and the effect it will have on the world. It's a bit silly to say this all started in 1948.
2 state solution? Impossible.
1 state solution? Impossible.
Complete genocide of the Palestinians? Impossible.
This will be played out in the West now and people will associate into tribes based on it. Those tribes include religious factions and will influence elections:
That is with a Muslim population of 6%.Who are the pro-Gaza independents who unseated Labour MPs?
All four capitalised on dissatisfaction over Labour’s stance on the Gaza war but said they had other priorities toowww.theguardian.com
If we do not acknowledge differences between religions, and assume that Mormonism is the same as Islam is the same as Zoroastrianism, we will be in for a wild ride.
The riots targeted primarily Muslims and asylum seekers based on one false tweet. What happens when the next attack that is actually committed by an Islamist happens? We've already dodged a few thanks to the security services.
This is just rambling, and I've no idea who it's aimed at.
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Well that's just nonsense.
The impact both religion and nationalism have had as causes of the current situation have been discussed at length here.
Ah, the clarity of the absolutist.
And we are back to your main interest I see, that didn't take long. Do you conflate support for Gaza/Palestine with support for Hamas? I quit as a Labour party member due to its stance on the conflict, do you conflate that as somehow supporting Hamas?This will be played out in the West now and people will associate into tribes based on it. Those tribes include religious factions and will influence elections:
That is with a Muslim population of 6%.Who are the pro-Gaza independents who unseated Labour MPs?
All four capitalised on dissatisfaction over Labour’s stance on the Gaza war but said they had other priorities too
The riots targeted primarily Muslims and asylum seekers based on one false tweet. What happens when the next attack that is actually committed by an Islamist happens? We've already dodged a few thanks to the security services.
No one has done this, that some people have said they treat all religions the same does not allow you to extrapolate that into they think no differences exist, that's a bad-faith argument.
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That's the problem. Too many people are playing student politics when the situation is so much more complicated than that with a much more involved history.
What do they say to this:
Michael var FN-soldat i Libanon: 'Vi var totalt underlagt Hizbollah'
Allerede fra 10 år siden var den helt gal. Hizbollah kontrollerede, hvilke områder FN-soldaterne i Sydlibanon måtte besøge, og i visse områder kunne de hverken komme ind eller tage billeder.
www.bt.dk
You see how it isn't as simple as: "you can't bomb the UN!!".
Reading that....
Does it justify targeting UN positions?
How should UNIFIL have proceeded?
Is there really rot in the UN chain of command?
Do we take this corroborating evidence with a grain of salt:
And what about Al Qaeda's advice:
Al-Qaeda adviser urges release of Israeli hostages in Gaza
An adviser to Al-Qaeda's likely current leader is calling for Hamas to release its Israeli hostages held in Gaza, according to an American jihadist monitoring organisation, SITE.
www.standardmedia.co.ke
What does it mean for Muslims worldwide?
And now there's been a ballistic missile strike in Tel Aviv without warning....
Do protesters even realise a tenth of the story behind this conflict? Or are they seeing pictures of dead babies, hearing "GENOCIDE" and then marching....
It's not their fault - again I already volunteered for previous crises in the ME - but it pays to become informed.
Anyone who'll listen. It's pretty obvious the split between left and right is a chasm now. The right don't interest me because they can't listen to reason. The left at least can, but seemingly go into things blind atm.
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But you're not addressing anyone and certainly not engaging with anyone. Then you wheel round and denigrate the whole site.
So again, who is this rambling actually aimed at?
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The people in this part of the forum who are more to the traditional Left since the Right leaners are no-hopers. It's not a slight of the site, it's showing how tribal even politics is, and how people aren't necessarily embracing multiple sources of information and changing/evolving their views. That's a big problem and the picture below isn't limited to Silicon Valley IMO:
So we can move the discussion on from 1948 then and talk about how the region can develop. The problem will remain intractable until we honestly examine what's going on.
Israel is the only place in the ME where the Christian population is growing. Why?
Is the lot of Arab Israelis better than Jews in other ME countries?
What is the end goal for the Palestinians and the Israelis?
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I think you'll find that there's plenty of right-leaning members here - to the point where some people in your position of the rambling, bad faith postmodernist du jour have rage quit with accusations of the site being too right for their left thinking - most of whom won't touch Trumpism with the longest pole in the boathouse, and won't appreciate your label.
The unearned arrogance is astonishing.
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Why are you answering questions with questions?
Do you hold the site and its members in such low regard (to your clearly towering and balanced intellect /s) that you do not need to answer them?
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Well, this is hopeful if accurate:
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Stop posting videos that have no explanation or context.
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The antisemitism is strong here /s
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ITVX faces criticism as Big Brother episode removed over Palestine t-shirt
AN episode of Big Brother in which a housemate wore a t-shirt in support of Palestine has been removed from the ITV Hub...
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With this
UNIFIL being supine to Hezbollah and now Guterres meeting Putin and being pally with Lukashenko, serious questions need to be asked about the UN.
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UNIFIL being supine to Hezbollah and now Guterres meeting Putin and being pally with Lukashenko, serious questions need to be asked about the UN.
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This is a mess, and I don't mean the sitation alone.
The sole source for this appears to the IDF, which simply makes it an unsubstantiated claim they have been making for years, and to date have only shown evidence for around a dozen people (out of 30k staff - well a lot less now), the MSN peice does nothing to change that.
The Times article is subscription only, so not much use (and Wayback doesn't have it archived for a workaround), so all we can see is the head and by-lines, which alone don't support your text...
...and then finally we have your 'context' which is nothing of the sort, it's an un-cited opinion piece, we have no idea who it is from or what the credibility of it is (but given the way it's written it doesn't come across as balanced of evidenced).
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I do not understand this. This literally took me 2 minutes:
UNRWA Gaza chief John Ging promoted to senior UN post in NY
West Bank UNRWA head Barbara Shenstone also scheduled to leave position; replacements have not yet been chosen.
www.jpost.com
If the IDF claims are unsubstantiated, every death count is unsubstantiated too. It works both ways.
The Times paywall has a workaround that I've explained before but I'm not sure if it's approved here (it's an archive site).
This is the relevant quote:
This should also be shown to those sixth formers with a binary view on the world - an actual slave of ISIS and captive of Hamas who says there was "no difference" between them:
ISIS sex slave snatched at 11 reveals she was fed cooked babies & held in Gaza
STARVATION started to set in four days after 11-year-old Fawzia Amin Saydo was brutally kidnapped by ISIS fighters. Handed plates of meat, she and dozens of other desperate women and children reali…
www.thesun.co.uk
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