Israel - Palestine discussion thread

[Scaff]

But the country also elected down the line:

And then he was assassinated, by an Israeli; and progressive by Israeli standards doesn't mean equity for Palestinians.

So doesn't that prove that Israel isn't stuck in 1948 in perpetuity?

Walk like a duck, quacks like a duck. Israel has never been serious about a two-state solution, Rabin was the closest and that was still a long way from it.

Was Israel's response to that inadequate?

Failure to do anything about settler incursions and violence in Hebron
A commission to investigate it was pretty much a white-wash and ignored much of the evidence Palestinians presented
Banning Palestinians from numerous streets in Hebron (including areas where they lived and operated business' in, and then turning them over to Jewish businesses
Did nothing for near a decade to stop the attackers grave being used as a shrine and rallying point for fundeamentalists

Just about the only positive action, that benefited the Israeli government more than it did Palestinians, which was outlawing the Kach movement. That, in reality, did little actual damage to them, as the leadership simply set-up new groups with the same aims.

 

[Imari]

I'd take living under a Jewish state over an Islamic one 7 days out of 7, no guessing needed.

In which country would I be more at risk when displaying this:

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Are you aware that Judaism is not Christianity? The correct comparison would be Muhammad and Abraham. Jews pretty famously don't believe Jesus was the Messiah or divine at all. He was just a dude.

That you're so broadly conflating Judaism with Christianity speaks to your lack of understanding of either.

 

[HenrySwanson]

And then he was assassinated, by an Israeli; and progressive by Israeli standards doesn't mean equity for Palestinians.

Yes. By an Israeli. But he was voted in by hundreds of thousands more.

What would equity for Palestinians look like?

Walk like a duck, quacks like a duck. Israel has never been serious about a two-state solution, Rabin was the closest and that was still a long way from it.

It seems it was the Arabs who rejected the Peel Commission and the 1947 Partition Plan. Israel then comes into being and they've never been serious since??

Failure to do anything about settler incursions and violence in Hebron
A commission to investigate it was pretty much a white-wash and ignored much of the evidence Palestinians presented
Banning Palestinians from numerous streets in Hebron (including areas where they lived and operated business' in, and then turning them over to Jewish businesses
Did nothing for near a decade to stop the attackers grave being used as a shrine and rallying point for fundeamentalists

Just about the only positive action, that benefited the Israeli government more than it did Palestinians, which was outlawing the Kach movement. That, in reality, did little actual damage to them, as the leadership simply set-up new groups with the same aims.

How do you stop retaliatory violence? This has been a thing since Muhammad, and before that Jews vs other tribal groups.

Are you aware that Judaism is not Christianity? The correct comparison would be Muhammad and Abraham. Jews pretty famously don't believe Jesus was the Messiah or divine at all. He was just a dude.

That you're so broadly conflating Judaism with Christianity speaks to your lack of understanding of either.

The picture is critical of Islam and shows a depiction Muhammad. That, as well as the follow-up post, shows where the threat of violence originates. And since it is a danger even in West London (not in an Islamic country) it's more than likely the religion. I'm not sure of the threat I would face displaying a similarly blasphemous picture of Abraham in Israel, but doing it here would likely result in the same level of danger as the blasphemous Christian picture I also posted.

EDIT: Speaking of....what about the non-Muslim Palestinians? Palestinians can't be one homogenous group.