ITV NEWS Argentina plan on re taking the falkland islands

[Liquid]

They want to be British, let them be British. Which they do.
They want to be Argentinian, let them be Argentinian. Which they do not.

However, oil talks. Welcome to the first world.

 

[Keef]

Yes! Finally I get to watch a battle on TV that doesn't involve my own country!

 

[Pagey279]

Yes! Finally I get to watch a battle on TV that doesn't involve my own country!

I find this extremely offensive, you say "Yes! Finally I get to watch a battle..." like its some sort of treat? That is absolutely disgusting. Reported.

 

[Liquid]

Sorry to ruin your facetious bubble Keef, but if this is going to be a range war like last time, this is such a non-event.

If anything happens at all.

 

[Ardius]

It is in British hands, the residents' of the Falklands want it to stay this way. If they no longer want British rule, I'm sure talks would take place.
However, there is potential for a hell of lot of oil to be produced in that area, so it might not be as straightforward as that. Nor should it be.

It shouldn't be as simple as what the Islanders want? I would much prefer the world to be that simple. Shame it isn't.
In an ideal world, there would be no need for anyone to claim ownership and the Falklanders would choose their owns laws and the oil (if there is any) would be shared out to international companies - not just those tied to a country's economy - or - the oil would be used to boost the Falklands' economy.
That is how it should be.

 

[niky]

Indeed, the entire world should be that simple, ideally. If the natives want to be part of a country or to form their own independent kingdom of Bali Hai, it's their call.

(Oh, okay... it's not the Pacific... so sue me).

 

[dhandeh]

It shouldn't be as simple as what the Islanders want? I would much prefer the world to be that simple. Shame it isn't.
In an ideal world, there would be no need for anyone to claim ownership and the Falklanders would choose their owns laws and the oil (if there is any) would be shared out to international companies - not just those tied to a country's economy - or - the oil would be used to boost the Falklands' economy.
That is how it should be.

As long as Humans exist, this isn't going to happen.

 

[Ardius]

I know, but its just how you said "nor should it be".

 

[Submerged]

Yes! Finally I get to watch a battle on TV that doesn't involve my own country!

And

I find this extremely offensive, you say "Yes! Finally I get to watch a battle..." like its some sort of treat? That is absolutely disgusting. Reported.

My take on this was that Keef was just being tongue-in-cheek about his country perchance for just getting into wars all the time and a welcome break from watching the same old: "America's War/American Army/American Force" news report.

And was using a bit of sarcasm that seems to have flow above Pagey's head

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

But can we actually defend them right now? Yes, we can send in the marines like we did last time, but where is the air power coming from? Last time, the Vulcans did looooong range bombing and Harriers provided air superiority and support. Without the Harriers, the marines would be ripped apart by the Argentinian Air Force.

We have no Vulcans or Harriers any more. We only have one aircraft carrier and it can only take helipcopters. A Tornado could get there, with copious amounts of in flight refuelling, but it would need so many external fuel tanks there'd be no room for weapons.

HMS Conqueror was also invaluable and at least we still have nuclear submarines to send.

Don't you guys have F-35s? I thought that was a join contribution from several countries. Also you have the flipping Euro Fighter, who needs a Harrier when you can use the Euro Fighter.


Nevermind it looks like 2020 is when the F-35C comes into action for that area, I'm surprised they didn't keep it around (Harrier that is) but I forgot the 35 keeps having delays. Also the Tornado and EuroFighter are amazing aircraft they seem adequet enough against Argentina.

And



My take on this was that Keef was just being tongue-in-cheek about his country perchance for just getting into wars all the time and a welcome break from watching the same old: "America's War/American Army/American Force" news report.

And was using a bit of sarcasm that seems to have flow above Pagey's head

Exactly, some people just don't understand Satire. Also Pagey what do you accomplish by a public display of saying "reported" that is about as necessary as you thought Keef's comment was.

 

[dhandeh]

15 Marines held up for 3 days the first time it kicked off. With 1,500 personnel there already, with defences, it would take a massive movement of troops, to overcome that. If Argentina started with air attacks, I'm sure a Submarine in the area might have something to say.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I thought the F35-B had gone into service, and upon a quick search, I see that it has not for the RAF. Upon further research, I'm very surprised by how ill-equipped the RAF and Royal Navy are.

Either way, it isn't in America's interest for conflict. I'd imagine that we'd try to settle it before it even began.

See I thought the same but it seems that area of the world has noticeable military budget cuts and the F-35 for now isn't till 2020. Also with delays on the project already supposedly from what I read in pop. mechanics their going to just be using testers till the F-35C operational ceiling is hit. If there was a war this plane would probably help in it quite quickly.

 

[Pagey279]

My take on this was that Keef was just being tongue-in-cheek about his country perchance for just getting into wars all the time and a welcome break from watching the same old: "America's War/American Army/American Force" news report.

And was using a bit of sarcasm that seems to have flow above Pagey's head

The reason i find this offensive is that a close friend of mine has been accepted into Sandhurst, and a family member is in the armed forces. So the idea of sitting back and watching them die is repulsing.
I understood what he meant, but the notion that he "gets" to watch a battle on the tele like its some sort of privilege is just wrong.

Lmscorvette- it lets him know that he should be careful how he words things sometimes. Even if the mods don't do anything. War is not something that should be joked about.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Don't you guys have F-35s? I thought that was a join contribution from several countries. Also you have the flipping Euro Fighter, who needs a Harrier when you can use the Euro Fighter.


Nevermind it looks like 2020 is when the F-35C comes into action for that area, I'm surprised they didn't keep it around (Harrier that is) but I forgot the 35 keeps having delays. Also the Tornado and EuroFighter are amazing aircraft they seem adequet enough against Argentina.



Exactly, some people just don't understand Satire. Also Pagey what do you accomplish by a public display of saying "reported" that is about as necessary as you thought Keef's comment was.

Neither the Eurofighter nor the Tornado can launch from an Aircraft Carrier, which we don't have any of anyway, so the Sea Harrier would be the only option, but we don't have any of them either, so our lack of Aircraft Carriers shouldn't be too much of a problem then.

After all, it's not as if we're going to get into a shooting war halfway around the world with no friendly air bases nearby is it?

My Government. elected by just 24.8% of the overall electorate, are a bunch of

 

[ScouserInExile]

If they decide to invade again, we will be once more forced to take the came out of the cupboard and give them a damn good thrashing.

 

[Liquid]

My Government. elected by just 24.8% of the overall electorate, are a bunch of

The coalition, also known as Operation: Human Shield.

 

[Ardius]

Neither the Eurofighter nor the Tornado can launch from an Aircraft Carrier, which we don't have any of anyway, so the Sea Harrier would be the only option, but we don't have any of them either, so our lack of Aircraft Carriers shouldn't be too much of a problem then.

After all, it's not as if we're going to get into a shooting war halfway around the world with no friendly air bases nearby is it?

My Government. elected by just 24.8% of the overall electorate, are a bunch of

Well we do have an RAF base on the Falklands though, which has a squadron of Eurofighters stationed there already...I imagine it wouldn't be too much hassle to transfer more squadrons there if necessary though I don't know the extent of the facilities and ability of that base.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Well we do have an RAF base on the Falklands though, which has a squadron of Eurofighters stationed there already...I imagine it wouldn't be too much hassle to transfer more squadrons there if necessary though I don't know the extent of the facilities and ability of that base.

I was thinking in terms of our ability to take the islands back if they took them by force in the first place.

 

[land sea air]

I think that's the main thing that people forget this time around (I doubt there will even be a "this time around" though). There is already a presence on the island with the option to transfer more if things start to heat up.

 

[Tired Tyres]

Or totally ignore the build up until it is too late like they did the last time?

Never underestimate a governments uncanny ability to sleep walk right into trouble.

As I've previously posted, I think this is just another example of an under pressure leader trying to divert her people from more pressing domestic issues.

The only issue that can complicate things is oil. That can make a government do silly things for what seem like perfectly plausible reasons at the time.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Neither the Eurofighter nor the Tornado can launch from an Aircraft Carrier, which we don't have any of anyway, so the Sea Harrier would be the only option, but we don't have any of them either, so our lack of Aircraft Carriers shouldn't be too much of a problem then.

After all, it's not as if we're going to get into a shooting war halfway around the world with no friendly air bases nearby is it?

My Government. elected by just 24.8% of the overall electorate, are a bunch of

Yours too, so is my Government!!! I didn't know that about those planes, I'm not to familiar with all their capabilities so thanks for that tid bit. Since I'm American I'm use to what we have that can and can't be launched. Also if my country really saw their allies as allies, they'd allow Euro planes to land in the states or other near by areas or lend some Harrier aircraft of our own. However, I don't see this happening.

I was thinking in terms of our ability to take the islands back if they took them by force in the first place.

You could do a long range flight mission, but your right the not being able to have a base to land on if taken back by Argentina would be difficult. Fuel tankers are big targets for such a trek.

 

[Omnis]

What strategic value do the Falklands have to Argentina and the UK, anyway? To be honest I'm not very informed of the history there. I can imagine how important it was for the Empire though. What about today? Does it have resources?

 

[Liquid]

Oil.

 

[dhandeh]

Oil.

And penguins.

But mainly the oil, a hell of a lot of oil.

 

[Liquid]

And we're not even sure about the oil. There's been no drilling.

It's all speculation.

 

[dhandeh]

They know there is oil there, it's just a case of making sure it will make lots of money. No point pulling it out now, when they can charge even more for it later.

 

[Liquid]

And in terms of the preface/cover story, the Argentinians claim sovreignty over the Falklands, something the Falklanders have rejected for nearly 200 years. They're quite happy to remain a British Overseas Territory.

 

[dhandeh]

That should be the end of it.
But because it's the 30th anniversary of the conflict, it is just political posturing from Argentina to try and gain support from neighbouring countries.

 

[Emptyone]

Precisely, which leads to Camerons response to the Argentine claims, that if the the islanders want to be British, it is therefore the Argentinians who are being colonialist and imperialist, and not us. I thought this a rather good point.

 

[Liquid]

Well the Argentinian motive last time was basically something to distract the country from their woeful, military junta economy. I don't think oil was a factor back then, but I could be wrong; it happened before I was born.

I do not mind either way whether the Falklanders wish to be British or Argentinian. They want to remain British, so that's the end of the matter diplomatically, at least.