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Jalopnik article discussing future of GT and eSports racing
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Did they though? It was always ~10k live viewers whenever I dropped in on one. From a playerbase of 10+ million potential viewers, plus the general population, it's peanuts.
They've had no "splash". The majority of GT players never cared from day 1, and still don't today. They've done nothing to change the system to change that. If you weren't interested in the 2017 events, the identical 2022 events are not going to change your mind.
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Ever since GT5, PD always had trouble releasing and managing one game; I can’t imagine them trying to juggle two to please different audiences. Even Forza needs two separate studios to handle both Motorsport and Horizon.
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Don't the finalists already get great prizes for qualifying for the finals (the free holiday, expensive sim gear, red t-shirt, etc)? I don't understand why there is a need to receive prize money on top of all of that, especially if the events are not generating any profit 🤷♂️
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Even when I was heavy into sport mode and top split, I could give a Fork about the WT events or the guys who tried to qualify. Just didn’t care that much
If PD was in fact serious about growing the esport side of things, they’d be smart to open it up beyond the top .01%
They could easily do this by pairing with playseat, and promoting a playseat challenge event. To enter you would have to buy a playseat challenge (at a nice convenient promotional discount) and submit a receipt and/or submit a receipt for past purchase. Then PD could select at random players from the A’s, B’s and C’s to compete in a live online event. To dissuade sand baggers, they could make choosing of contestants of these unannounced, and create an algorithm that can determine if someone is a genuine C-rated driver, or just passing through.
This could very well persuade people to get off a pad, and into a cheap rig. Not to mention even give the other 99% of the sport mode player base something to dream about.
On another note, I think GT7 has done a good job of getting back to its roots. I was an avid sport mode player before GT7. I might have 10 total sport mode races under my belt to date. I have much more fun currently just replaying events in different cars, creating custom races, or doing test/tune sessions. For me it’s like playing GT1-5 again, but even better!
I’ll eventually get back to sport mode, but I’m in zero hurry
If PD was in fact serious about growing the esport side of things, they’d be smart to open it up beyond the top .01%
They could easily do this by pairing with playseat, and promoting a playseat challenge event. To enter you would have to buy a playseat challenge (at a nice convenient promotional discount) and submit a receipt and/or submit a receipt for past purchase. Then PD could select at random players from the A’s, B’s and C’s to compete in a live online event. To dissuade sand baggers, they could make choosing of contestants of these unannounced, and create an algorithm that can determine if someone is a genuine C-rated driver, or just passing through.
This could very well persuade people to get off a pad, and into a cheap rig. Not to mention even give the other 99% of the sport mode player base something to dream about.
On another note, I think GT7 has done a good job of getting back to its roots. I was an avid sport mode player before GT7. I might have 10 total sport mode races under my belt to date. I have much more fun currently just replaying events in different cars, creating custom races, or doing test/tune sessions. For me it’s like playing GT1-5 again, but even better!
I’ll eventually get back to sport mode, but I’m in zero hurry
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There's an update to the Jalopnik article:
So during the pandemic-era FIAGTC it seems that PD did pay all players, at least the costs of purchasing the required video streaming equipment.
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PD take back the required video streaming equipment in case you'll not qualify the next step of the competition.
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Also, there is this tidbit from another ex-FIAGTC competitor:
That being said, is there a grounds for former FIAGTC competitors to file a lawsuit in light of these revelations?
That being said, is there a grounds for former FIAGTC competitors to file a lawsuit in light of these revelations?
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Am I missing something? What are the grounds for a lawsuit?
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I have to say, I'm bang in the middle of the schizophrenic spectrum here. Gran Turismo had me on single player up until GTS, when naturally it shifted me towards the multiplayer aspect. Now I'm caught in two minds. I love the potential for variety single player brings (by the end of the GTS cycle I was running hotlaps around Nordschleife using my several hundred prize cars), but I can't find a substitute for the thrill of racing against other people.
I would have bought both games
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Idk…
I have a hard time feeling bad for anyone who chooses to pursue a “career” in E-sports. I mean, the odds of making it in real-life professional sports in slim to none. The chance of making it big in Esports is even infinitely smaller. I appreciate the fact of the time commitment it takes to get that good, but I mean… come on… it’s video games we’re talking about here. Not exactly very sustainable long term. Same for the streamers I follow that do this for a living. I really appreciate what they do, and I DO support them. But I can’t help but think their profession choice is a tad irresponsible. Especially if they’re also trying to raise a family.
The smartest thing these top level players could do is try to weasel their way into the company instead of bitching about lack of prize money
I have a hard time feeling bad for anyone who chooses to pursue a “career” in E-sports. I mean, the odds of making it in real-life professional sports in slim to none. The chance of making it big in Esports is even infinitely smaller. I appreciate the fact of the time commitment it takes to get that good, but I mean… come on… it’s video games we’re talking about here. Not exactly very sustainable long term. Same for the streamers I follow that do this for a living. I really appreciate what they do, and I DO support them. But I can’t help but think their profession choice is a tad irresponsible. Especially if they’re also trying to raise a family.
The smartest thing these top level players could do is try to weasel their way into the company instead of bitching about lack of prize money
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I was hoping what I was missing was sarcasm yet here we are.
No cash prizes were offered so let's take out a lawsuit for the lack of cash prizes.
Good luck with that.
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I won daily race A the other week against a grid of 12 fine eAthletes and have yet to receive a cheque in the post (although it was never mentioned in the event rules). PD will be hearing from my lawyer.
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They won a free holiday, a really expensive steering wheel and a red t-shirt for playing a video game they enjoy, that's not exploitation.
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Exploitation doesn't mean what you think it means.
Let me get this straight.
Some people played a videogame in their bedroom. The best qualified for an all expenses paid trip, staying in 5-star hotels, with the opportunity to win watches, wheels and other swag. All of which was clearly laid out beforehand in the terms & conditions.
Some guys are upset they haven’t been able to make a career out of playing said video game. So go to the press. Meanwhile, another 20 odd players are eagerly lining up to take their place this weekend.
Here’s the top & bottom of it. If someone is incredibly talented they’ll have many opportunities in multiple games & organisations. It’s open to question whether they can make a career out of it. Even top iRacing drivers earn minimal amounts. Neither does it open up real world motorsport opportunities.
If on the other hand someone isn’t the quickset. But has an engaging personality and delivers entertaining content. They can be a successful influencer. For everyone else it’s back to the real world and earning a living in a more mundane job!
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I think the problem is that these events arent really set up to be competitions but more as a promotional event for the game. The drivers are all wearing the same outfit and can easy be replaced by the next player. While in real racing the drivers/teams are the stars and have unique helmet designs or numbers and can build their own brand or identity to atract sponsorships or fans. I also wonder how many people view these races, as there are a lot of real world racing series to follow, so why would someone choose to watch sim racing instead?
If we look at other esport games they offer something unique, if you look at games like dota or cod there isnt a similar real world event so if you watch those competitions it is the real deal. While simracing wil always be the next best thing next to real racing.
I always liked the GT Academy program more as it had a clear end goal and it gave a normal person a chance to becoma a real racing driver. While these esports events dont have a real goal. Sure someone wil be the winner for this year but they get nothing else out of it and then the next year it begins again.
If we look at other esport games they offer something unique, if you look at games like dota or cod there isnt a similar real world event so if you watch those competitions it is the real deal. While simracing wil always be the next best thing next to real racing.
I always liked the GT Academy program more as it had a clear end goal and it gave a normal person a chance to becoma a real racing driver. While these esports events dont have a real goal. Sure someone wil be the winner for this year but they get nothing else out of it and then the next year it begins again.
Some forget the age thing as well. Some of us over the cut off age are faster than some younger players. There's no hope at all in GT-eSports. This isn't like vying for NISSAN Academy. Why wouldn't Kaz want to see someone his age on the top step? Or Someone's father or husband, uncle, etc.? Boohoo...sniff
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Unfortunately the rules are clearly marked on the entry page for Race A. DR and SR do not count.
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I agree with the article and I don't. There's some good points here but also theres a few things that arent quite right.
GT hasn't progressed in this space and much like the GT series, the initial world tour idea made a big splash but it's since stagnated significantly. GT Academy offered bigger opportunities.
However players entering these events know what they're signing up for, they know it in advance and they do it anyway. Winning any competition with thousands of competitors has a prestige. I have no problems with PD and Sony doing this. These events run at a loss because no-one watches them outside of the bubble and they haven't monetised it.
The criticism that one player in the article had of GT was borne out of their manufacturer not being competitive rather than genuine criticism of the game. It was purely self serving to try and force PDs hand for his own benefit.
Now to what I dont like about PD here.
Firstly is that the format is starting to get a bit stale, but that's probably more because they don't have enough new tracks and haven't fixed the FFB. But that aside, there's no new ideas that PD are bringing here. It doesn't have to mean getting the chequebook out either.
The main criticism I have of PD in this space is that they use their finalist's for feedback about the game in a private chat which involves quite extensive testing from these players.
They don't pay these guys, so when they put in the hours for free and PD turns around and ignores their inputs it's dirty offering the payment as a ****** AI likeness. It does nothing for the broader playerbase either, I don't need to see sweaty nerds in red shirts when I race offline.
It's like cafes wanting live bands and then offering the payment as "exposure". It doesn't sit right with me.
P.S. bring the world tour back to Sydney
GT hasn't progressed in this space and much like the GT series, the initial world tour idea made a big splash but it's since stagnated significantly. GT Academy offered bigger opportunities.
However players entering these events know what they're signing up for, they know it in advance and they do it anyway. Winning any competition with thousands of competitors has a prestige. I have no problems with PD and Sony doing this. These events run at a loss because no-one watches them outside of the bubble and they haven't monetised it.
The criticism that one player in the article had of GT was borne out of their manufacturer not being competitive rather than genuine criticism of the game. It was purely self serving to try and force PDs hand for his own benefit.
Now to what I dont like about PD here.
Firstly is that the format is starting to get a bit stale, but that's probably more because they don't have enough new tracks and haven't fixed the FFB. But that aside, there's no new ideas that PD are bringing here. It doesn't have to mean getting the chequebook out either.
The main criticism I have of PD in this space is that they use their finalist's for feedback about the game in a private chat which involves quite extensive testing from these players.
They don't pay these guys, so when they put in the hours for free and PD turns around and ignores their inputs it's dirty offering the payment as a ****** AI likeness. It does nothing for the broader playerbase either, I don't need to see sweaty nerds in red shirts when I race offline.
It's like cafes wanting live bands and then offering the payment as "exposure". It doesn't sit right with me.
P.S. bring the world tour back to Sydney
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When I did the Nissan Academy time trail, at Sydney Motorsport Park/Eastern Creek, I was told I could do the qualifier, but if I made it to the finals, to proceed, I would have to be under 37years old. I was 45.
So, I had no chance.
Edit: I set a time and I believe I posted about the build. 2015? 2016?
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Then, there you go. I just blanketed any of the GT series competitions.
Still unfair though. Many people our age would love to have a driving career in Motorsport. Especially, if this was one opportunity to begin.
Well, we see the FIA thing went nowhere. I had no hopes, but did enjoy myself racing members on gtp and with some of the respectful players during my Sport Mode time.
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