La Sarthe and Spa ,weather report and other " stuff "

[Batschisane52]

Funny how you can drop a Nissan engine in an Italian car and it goes like smoke...View attachment 1312871
Had this sitting in my garage gathering dust and didn't realize I had put a new engine in, upgraded the transmission and brakes, gave it new suspension and little aero work and she ran fine in the WTC700. 3 laps easy at FM6 and RM tyres lasted long.
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The engine swapped Delta is a rocket!

One of my favorit swapped cars!

 

[Sir Crashalot]

Over the weekend I drove some more engine swapped cars around La Sarthe. Not really much to report though. No matter if it's the Jeep with the Dodge engine, the Supra with the Pagani engine, the Fairlady with the Nismo GT500 engine, the Focus with the GT Test Car engine or the Cappuccino with the RX-7 engine - they are all more then capable of winning this race on any difficulty.

But today I did the Lancer/Escudo swap and WTF is this?? Either it's some kind of joke I don't get or it's just an incredible bad swap. Now I don't know how this engine feels in the Escudo (I don't have it and don't really want it) but in the Lancer it's absolutely awful!
Did 2 laps on FM4. The turbo lag is insane!
Then came the rain and I switched to Inters which were dead after just 1.5 laps on wet track although I set FM6 and full TCS. I really didn't want to to another stop so I did 3.5 more laps on dead tires while trying to save fuel on a car that doesn't provide any power at all below 7000rpm.

Overall this was probably the worst experience I had so far. The engine never feels like almost 1000hp, rather like maybe 600 or so. And below 7000rpm it feels more like 200.
Maybe, maybe, maybe tuning gear ratios /and or doing excessive weight reduction will make it better but even if it's a bit better it will still be bad I guess.

I don't have any interest in ever driving this car again.

 

[smoothbore12]

Over the weekend I drove some more engine swapped cars around La Sarthe. Not really much to report though. No matter if it's the Jeep with the Dodge engine, the Supra with the Pagani engine, the Fairlady with the Nismo GT500 engine, the Focus with the GT Test Car engine or the Cappuccino with the RX-7 engine - they are all more then capable of winning this race on any difficulty.

But today I did the Lancer/Escudo swap and WTF is this?? Either it's some kind of joke I don't get or it's just an incredible bad swap. Now I don't know how this engine feels in the Escudo (I don't have it and don't really want it) but in the Lancer it's absolutely awful!
Did 2 laps on FM4. The turbo lag is insane!
Then came the rain and I switched to Inters which were dead after just 1.5 laps on wet track although I set FM6 and full TCS. I really didn't want to to another stop so I did 3.5 more laps on dead tires while trying to save fuel on a car that doesn't provide any power at all below 7000rpm.

Overall this was probably the worst experience I had so far. The engine never feels like almost 1000hp, rather like maybe 600 or so. And below 7000rpm it feels more like 200.
Maybe, maybe, maybe tuning gear ratios /and or doing excessive weight reduction will make it better but even if it's a bit better it will still be bad I guess.

I don't have any interest in ever driving this car again.

I never run Escudo swapped car yet but the Escudo its a very fast car for this race.
It was the car that helped to clear neoclassical menu before i get any other group C car.
At FM6 pull 3 laps and its a very fast winner.
Was one of my favourites when show up after a " hostage" situation for many months.

 

[Sir Crashalot]

I never run Escudo swapped car yet but the Escudo its a very fast car for this race.
It was the car that helped to clear neoclassical menu before i get any other group C car.
At FM6 pull 3 laps and its a very fast winner.
Was one of my favourites when show up after a " hostage" situation for many months.

Yeah, I guess it just has to be better otherwise no one would buy it😄

I didn't buy the engine btw, got 2 from tickets, so it was at least a cheap disappointment😉

 

[smoothbore12]

From today am officially with ps plus!!!!
I managed to load my prepaid card and did my first ever time Trial ( deep forest ) .

That means am available ( conditions allow ) to race with anyone who likes to our favourite track .
Send me a message to add you as friends .
Now am gonna try an old favourite car of mine to get the dust out of it .
More info tomorrow.

 

[Tired Tyres]

You didn’t need plus to do a time trial….

 

[jrbabbitt]

@bigmull

I jumped into my cobra and wanted to give it a go but I had an idea, I did a minimal tune on this car hoping to tame it a little. With no engine upgrades and just a manual custom transmission and the custom LSD this little Cobra was docile.
I didn't even put on any custom suspension, I kept the normal in place.
I was able to squeeze out 3 laps at FM6 and the tyres didn't wear down to much to be a problem.

The race was a wild one, we had heavy rains all the way from beginning of lap 3 to halfway thru 5, with accumulation well into stage 3 and with careful driving on IM tyres didn't have a problem even in the "yellow" rains.

 

[Sir Crashalot]

Had a very strange race today. I drove a fully upgraded AMG A45. The car is very nice! Quite fast and it feels amazing in the corners! But there's one big problem: It can barely do 3 laps on FM6. Heavy rain at the end of the second lap and I had to change to Inters. No way for 5 laps with this car but I guessed that 4 would be possible with heavy fuel management and since I was on easy difficulty I was hoping to gain enough lead to end the race after 6 laps.
And yeah, that's how it was.....or would have been. Because my mind was, once again, somewhere else and I forgot to brake before the finish line and started my 7th lap with fuel for 0.1 laps left. I drove in high gears but at the start of Mulsanne I was out of fuel.
I thought I f'd up and was about to quit but then I realized that no other car was able to cross the line in time. So I did a very slow 7th lap with 80kp/h and still won the race and got my credits😀

 

[Batschisane52]

Is the AI more intelligent, when you play on hard difficulty, when it comes to tyre strategy in the rain...?

Did some races on hard difficulty per accident (usually do this race on medium, but I changed to hard while doing other races, and forgot to switch back...), and and in two of them it started to rain and some cars (Gallo in the NSX, one of the Toyotas and the Lexus) did switch to IMs in the right monent( while usually they dont...)

Used the Ferrari GT25 Berlinetta

I like this car a lot, but not for this race...

Race 1: It stayed dry, finished 2nd, 8 seconds behind Haywood with his one stop strategy.I did 3 laps with FM3/RHs, and the two 2lap stints on FM1 with RMs, by the start of lap 7 he was 16 seconds in front of me, cutting that in half was all I could do in the final lap

Race 2: Heavy rain starting in the last third of lap2, rain and/or wet road until end of lap 5, I pitted for IMs, but so did some others cars(like mentioned above), thin dry line in Lap 6 and 7, had a tough battle with the NXS who used exactly the same pit strategy as me(IMs for laps 3,4 and 5,switch to RMs for laps 6 and 7) and I lost in lap 6 when I hit a wet spot an spun out...3rd place in the end...

Race 3:Again heavy rain and wet roads in laps 3,4 and 5...it did dry up faster I drove more careful and won by a close margin of 3,5 seconds in front of Haywood, who was 7 seconds behind me at the start of lap7(so this time, he cut the time in half, but he was already gainig in lap 6...)

As I mentioned I like driving this car, but I do have a hard time whith driving it in treshold situations and wheel to wheel combat...it is not very stable and(for me) hard to control when it starts to slide,it needs lots of space in the corners and with my tune it even seems to lightweight for it's power(intrestingly adding 5 kilos to the back increases the PP a litte bit as I found out after the races)...and it is super sensitive when it comes to contact with other cars(I guess because it is so light and because it need more space, the chance of contact is higher...), even the softest touches make it spin around...
And because it has no aero parts, braking before the chicanes from top speed(300km/h is possible) it is always a little bit of a mystery challenge...

Did 2 TT laps afterwards, and it did in 4.15...so it is not slow

Have to work on my tune(and check out bigmull's tune for it),when I get some time after the holidays...

Edit: I will stay on hard difficulty anyway, just seemed that bit mor interesting...

 

[smoothbore12]

You didn’t need plus to do a time trial….

Is that true ?
Cause as i remember couldn't open the menus on sport .

Anyway , hope i didn't do a " potato " with the card , my psn is smoothbore 12 for anyone who like to add me as a friend.

Yesterday i put out (for a second time ) my 787 .
FM1 all the way , pit lap 4 and since i get just moisture in the track i pull 8 laps.
Unfortunately at 4 of 8 laps ( 3&4 7&8 ) i earn more than 10seconds penalties with the biggest be 4 seconds at 8th lap but i knew that was coming 😵 since i made a mistake twice .
At least i get clear faster lap putting 787 under 3.50 mark

And the settings

 

[Deni323]

Yes it is true, you need ps plus for daily races and lobbies races basically for races that have multiple people at the track at the same time.
In time trials you are alone on the track and compete against times only so no PS plus required.

Well at least you can try out daily races now

 

[Sir Crashalot]

@Batschisane52 I do about 80% on easy and 20% on hard (usually when I like a car and wanna know if it's good enough for hard difficulty) but I can't remember seeing any difference in pit stop strategy for AI. But I don't check replays, so I can't say for sure.

@smoothbore12 Yes, I also can confirm that you don't need PS Plus for the time trials.

Regarding penalties: I still don't get why and when you get penalties. When just grinding on easy I usually don't really care about driving clean laps, my mind is often somewhere else, so it happens that I forget to brake in time, etc. I had races without any penalties where I drove right across a chikane and then I sometimes get penalties and really have no idea why. Often it's just 0.5 seconds but one time I got 20(!) seconds and that wasn't me missing a chikane completely, just sliding of the wet track in a corner IIRC.
Someone here mentioned that you only get penalties when you gained an advantage by going off track but I didn't gain 20 seconds by sliding off track, that's for sure, so this is still a riddle for me.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

I have a fun challenge if anyone is interested.

What about winning on a budget? Ok this is how it works I'll start by setting a budget which you cant go pass which includes buying the car and the upgrades.

Your budget is 40,000K Credits - This includes the price of the car and upgrades you CANNOT go pass this limit or you'll be disqualify.

Rules are simple.

1. Must buy a car you cant use 1 from your garage.
2. You cant go pass the credit limit.
3. IM or Wet tires are free and don't count but you can only buy 1 Set.
4. To be it fair please show your build and final credit amount.

 

[Sir Crashalot]

Sounds like quite a challenge 'cause racing tires are at least 18k IIRC, so that leaves 22k for the car & parts.
Which difficulty? Hard I suppose?

 

[smoothbore12]

@Batschisane52 I do about 80% on easy and 20% on hard (usually when I like a car and wanna know if it's good enough for hard difficulty) but I can't remember seeing any difference in pit stop strategy for AI. But I don't check replays, so I can't say for sure.

@smoothbore12 Yes, I also can confirm that you don't need PS Plus for the time trials.

Regarding penalties: I still don't get why and when you get penalties. When just grinding on easy I usually don't really care about driving clean laps, my mind is often somewhere else, so it happens that I forget to brake in time, etc. I had races without any penalties where I drove right across a chikane and then I sometimes get penalties and really have no idea why. Often it's just 0.5 seconds but one time I got 20(!) seconds and that wasn't me missing a chikane completely, just sliding of the wet track in a corner IIRC.
Someone here mentioned that you only get penalties when you gained an advantage by going off track but I didn't gain 20 seconds by sliding off track, that's for sure, so this is still a riddle for me.

If you're going flat out trying to use every inch of the track , there's always the risk of penalties.
0.500 penalty doesn't bother that much but when you gain 1 or more you loose time.
Also you can make a mistake,on braking for example,or passing slightly the track limits etc.
The fact is that you can't gain cutting the track and also doesn't apply the same to all the cars and am talking from my experience.
The faster you go , more time penalty applies.
If you're " cruising " for example and go off and lift the throttle producing a delay - short of - you get away clean .
On the other hand the annoying system ( cause track limits aren't always the same ) ensures that clean lap is definitely clean lap.


As for the challenge " Billionaire " wrote , I don't think there's a car so cheap and powerful to compete on hard level .
Hard level AI running at least 15 seconds per lap in hard level than the easy which is over 4.32 .
Perhaps is some car that have great fuel consumption stock and could race on rain having intermediate tyres from the beginning at 6 lap stint.
I can't see what car just using RH only can win on hard level.

 

[Chikane_GTR]

Sounds like quite a challenge 'cause racing tires are at least 18k IIRC, so that leaves 22k for the car & parts.
Which difficulty? Hard I suppose?

If you're going flat out trying to use every inch of the track , there's always the risk of penalties.
0.500 penalty doesn't bother that much but when you gain 1 or more you loose time.
Also you can make a mistake,on braking for example,or passing slightly the track limits etc.
The fact is that you can't gain cutting the track and also doesn't apply the same to all the cars and am talking from my experience.
The faster you go , more time penalty applies.
If you're " cruising " for example and go off and lift the throttle producing a delay - short of - you get away clean .
On the other hand the annoying system ( cause track limits aren't always the same ) ensures that clean lap is definitely clean lap.


As for the challenge " Billionaire " wrote , I don't think there's a car so cheap and powerful to compete on hard level .
Hard level AI running at least 15 seconds per lap in hard level than the easy which is over 4.32 .
Perhaps is some car that have great fuel consumption stock and could race on rain having intermediate tyres from the beginning at 6 lap stint.
I can't see what car just using RH only can win on hard level.

Any difficulty is fine.

Also has anyone try the Nissan R34 2002 with the R92CP engine? I have 1 but I don't wanna use if its a car that only gets like 2 laps

 

[Sir Crashalot]

Any difficulty is fine.

Also has anyone try the Nissan R34 2002 with the R92CP engine? I have 1 but I don't wanna use if its a car that only gets like 2 laps

I think I have a suspicion about your challenge but I'm not sure I will find time today to test. We'll see.

About the swapped R34:

"Today I drove the engine swapped Nissan Skyline GT-R V･spec II Nür (R34). Even capped at 88% the engine feels extremely powerful! I had the transmission set for 300 and 6th gear revs up so quick that I always wanted to shift to 7th😄
Great fuel economy (4 laps on FM1), easy to drive, great car!"

From a post of mine a few weeks ago.

 

[MoLiEG]

I finally did a race at Le Mans after "only god knows how much" time (probably 2 weeks tbh).

Almost no rain again.

 

[smoothbore12]

Any difficulty is fine.

Also has anyone try the Nissan R34 2002 with the R92CP engine? I have 1 but I don't wanna use if its a car that only gets like 2 laps

Its impossible to do only two laps with the engine of R92CP , didn't run any of them but i can't see why to be a fuel burner with that engine.
That engine with the 787 engine are famous for their good fuel consumption , i see no reason to change that lot in a swapped car .

 

[AlexWilmot]

Modified my Countach tune as I now do my "daily grind" as the WTC700 championship of Trial Mountain, Catalunya and Nurburgring 24hr, then the LeMans race.
Now it's got less power for more stability, but easy low 4min lap times on FM6

 

[Sir Crashalot]

Had two ideas for @Chikane_GTR 's challenge but both didn't work.

The Fairlady maybe has the power and speed to ein on easy without a stop but can't do 6 or even 7 laps without refueling.

The Abarth with midsize turbo looks like it can do 7 laps without refueling but lacks power and speed.

No more ideas for now.

 

[Sir Crashalot]

Took a fully upgraded S2000 around the track.

I really like this car, it's easy and fun to drive and it goes through corners very well.
Started on FM4. Light rain at third lap but nothing serious. Entered the pits at the end of lap 3 with 1% fuel left, so the car can do exactly 3 laps on FM4 without any fuel management.
The weather radar was unclear so I chose inters - better safe than sorry.
Switched to FM6. Light rain at lap 4, track drying up at lap 5 and the tires were almost dead at the end of the lap. But stubborn as I am I held on to my "You only stop once" doctrine and finished the race with medium fuel management on completely worn intermediates. But even on this dead tires, the car is still easy to drive. Yes, it can slide but it's always controllable and easy to catch.

I guess I wouldn't have won THIS race on hard difficulty but that's just because of the bad luck with the weather. I think the car itself is fast enough for hard also.
As much as I like the car, there's one thing I don't like and that's the instruments. Those remind me of the ones Mazda used in their mid 80s cars (the 323 for example) but even there and then it looked better and for a car from 99 it feels just out of date IMO. Also, the speed and RPM the car shows do not match up with what the in game HUD shows.
But in the end that's just a minor thing and as I said, I really like this car a lot! Can't wait to drive this baby around Nordschleife🙂

 

[Aloha62_2]

Also has anyone try the Nissan R34 2002 with the R92CP engine? I have 1 but I don't wanna use if its a car that only gets like 2 laps

You can non-stop the race with that engine if you're careful, or drive flat out for an easy 1 stop.

The Skylines with the R92CP's are probably the most broken cars in the game, they can go 10s a lap faster around lemans than cars that historically raced there, and use less fuel while doing it.

 

[OldandSlow]

Just ran a race with my fully-upgraded 1500 BAT. Easy win because of the rain. Car is a bit slow, but hits 160 mph and gets over 3.5 laps on fuel. All on FM1. Just try to brake in a straight line.

Here’s the tune:

I used this on the 1500 BAT. It’s surprisingly good. You could make it perfect. 😉

I used all performance upgrades and all weight reductions. Also body rigidity. I set the LSD to 30,30,15. Ballast at 52/50 to get 51/49 weight balance that your tune uses. I set the trans top gear to 278, first gear to 95, evenly spaced the rest. Brake balance to -1. On RS, it comes out to 611.27PP.

 

[OldandSlow]

Alfa Romeo Giulia TZ2 CZ - 550PP - Sport Medium Tires - All Track - 1.32

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[jrbabbitt]

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[jrbabbitt]

I have a fun challenge if anyone is interested.

What about winning on a budget? Ok this is how it works I'll start by setting a budget which you cant go pass which includes buying the car and the upgrades.

Your budget is 40,000K Credits - This includes the price of the car and upgrades you CANNOT go pass this limit or you'll be disqualify.

Rules are simple.

1. Must buy a car you cant use 1 from your garage.
2. You cant go pass the credit limit.
3. IM or Wet tires are free and don't count but you can only buy 1 Set.
4. To be it fair please show your build and final credit amount.

Oh yeah, I'm in.... time limit???

 

[Batschisane52]

3. IM or Wet tires are free and don't count but you can only buy 1 Set.

I an not sure if i nunderstand this the right way...?

You can gat either IMs or Ws and they don't count towards the 40 000, but you are not allowed to have both...?

Either way, I'll give it a try after the holidays...

 

[Chikane_GTR]

Oh yeah, I'm in.... time limit???

No time limit. 👍

I an not sure if i nunderstand this the right way...?

You can gat either IMs or Ws and they don't count towards the 40 000, but you are not allowed to have both...?

Either way, I'll give it a try after the holidays...

Since IM or Wets tires are free and don't count you can only buy 1 either IM or wets but not both.

 

[jrbabbitt]

No time limit. 👍

Since IM or Wets tires are free and don't count you can only buy 1 either IM or wets but not both.

Well, I went high and low around the dealerships both used and new and the only car that looked possible was the Mini '05 but with only 5,800 after the prerequisite race tyres (hards at 12,300) there is not much I could buy to get Hp up to compete.
After one lap I was so far behind ( 57.8) I knew I could not even get p19. Then the rains came...I didn't likefor rains to help but...
The following pics should make the rest of the story.

To be honest, 40k was just not enough, if you pick an amount (40k) you should not count the cost of the tyres, you have to have race tyres and a set of either WETS or IMs, my suggestion would be RH mandatory (cheapest) and either of the rain tyres be excluded from the 40k.