- 2,600
- Saint Louis
- diabolicwyvern
In brightest day,
in blackest night,
No evil shall escape my sight.
Let those who worship evils might,
Beware my power
Green Lanterns light!
(Yea, its black. Get over it!)
Lemons Season 4: Next Race on 29 November
- Thread starter Vol Jbolaz
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In brightest day,
in blackest night,
No evil shall escape my sight.
Let those who worship evils might,
Beware my power
Green Lanterns light!
(Yea, its black. Get over it!)
- 2,254
- Burlington, NC, USA
- a_garris/Vol_Jbolaz
Cujo is out. Buh-bye.
- 209
. In no way does me doing a 360 on a straight effect except u not knowing how to brake. Uve had it in for me since i can remember. Every car that was with u plowed into tbe wall too. Gonna boot all them.?? Further damage was on light if ur blaming me for your wreck and that was one out of how ever many of those sprints there were supposed to be.
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- 2,254
- Burlington, NC, USA
- a_garris/Vol_Jbolaz
The spreadsheet is updated.
The money is assigned on leaderboard standing, not race finish. No idea how well the idea will work, but I still don't think it is any worse than the previous system. We will see how the season goes. I don't know, yet, what I'll do after this season, but I do know that I won't do it like this.
Remember to share your cars.
No race next week. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone south of the border.
- 2,600
- Saint Louis
- diabolicwyvern
3 things: 1. more stylin' 2. less profilin 3. Drop the stalinizin. Remember last season...an individual punts multiple drivers on a course, drives outside the track every race, whether it was caught or not and at one poinnt proceeds backwards during a race to get back to a pit because they took the wrong tires. And these all happened on different courses those to his discredit, there was overlap.
Can you put up the points for tonight totted up
I ran ( I believe) 12,5,13,9 or an avg. just under 10
Also, my car is red. It was shared from last Wednesday night till about 9:20est this evening.
I added Engine 1 for last week which you would have seen and just a cat. converter for this week leaving me 4500 in bank before tonight.
Can you put up the points for tonight totted up
I ran ( I believe) 12,5,13,9 or an avg. just under 10
Also, my car is red. It was shared from last Wednesday night till about 9:20est this evening.
I added Engine 1 for last week which you would have seen and just a cat. converter for this week leaving me 4500 in bank before tonight.
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- 2,254
- Burlington, NC, USA
- a_garris/Vol_Jbolaz
I'm guessing this is somehow tied to expelling Cujo? That isn't a horse that I care to beat. That ship has sailed, crashed apon the rocks, burned down, and sank into the sea.
The rule is simple, if you don't care enough and your fooling around is disrupting someone else's race, then you are out. It simply isn't fair to the rest of us.
Hellraiser was DQed for one race and received no points. He was heavily penalized at Fuji for not only using the run offs, but using them to pass and dive bombing people in the corners.
- 2,254
- Burlington, NC, USA
- a_garris/Vol_Jbolaz
I think there are times when the PD servers aren't syncing right. Last week, the only car I saw in your profile was a FGT. I'll check again tomorrow evening.
So far with this group, I'm not really worried about the cars. I try to stay on top of them so the spreadsheets are current. I really think we could assign PP or weights next season and everyone would stick to it.
It is tempting.
- 874
- Ottawa, Canada
- GTP_pyxen
My car is shared! I'm the good one.
Oh, and so far, the series is sooooo much closer than it's ever been. The points from first to 9th are 15 apart! That's nothing...Considering my Van of Awesome won't be getting an injection of PPs (that's officially a word in the Websters now, btw), I certainly won't be getting mucho series points except in the occasion that my driving is fab-u-lous.
CB1 to RF3 - is that a doughnut in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
Btw, I thoroughly enjoyed the format tonight...very much fun!
Oh, and so far, the series is sooooo much closer than it's ever been. The points from first to 9th are 15 apart! That's nothing...Considering my Van of Awesome won't be getting an injection of PPs (that's officially a word in the Websters now, btw), I certainly won't be getting mucho series points except in the occasion that my driving is fab-u-lous.
CB1 to RF3 - is that a doughnut in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
Btw, I thoroughly enjoyed the format tonight...very much fun!
chuyler1
Premium
- 4,548
- New Hampshire
- chuyler1
This is a series. People have spent hours planning and discussing races. Drivers have put lots of time into practicing for each race. Doing a 360 on lap 2 when you are running mid-pack and cars are behind you is completely uncalled for. Even if penalties were on, there is still a chance someone can hit your un-ghosted car. We show up every Tuesday night to compete, not to goof off. If you want to do 360s there are plenty of other lobbies to do that in.
I enjoyed tonight. I made a few mistakes but they were paid back to me. We had a few traffic jams which were interesting to say the least. Overall there was far more wheel to wheel racing than any other lemons event. The hardest part I found was keeping one eye on my rearview knowing my biggest competition was behind me and if I didn't move up the field fast I would be a sitting duck. I originally suggested we do two of these events, primarily so drivers could experience being the fast car and the slow car.
As for the reward system. It's pretty clear it isn't working. It might as well be random assignment. However, I really don't care. I'll show up and race as long as there is at least one other car close to my power level that I can battle with. Next season, I think PP or ballast should be used. I'd prefer ballast since it will affect tire wear and cornering speeds...but i'm not sure 200kg is enough to slow down the fast drivers.
I enjoyed tonight. I made a few mistakes but they were paid back to me. We had a few traffic jams which were interesting to say the least. Overall there was far more wheel to wheel racing than any other lemons event. The hardest part I found was keeping one eye on my rearview knowing my biggest competition was behind me and if I didn't move up the field fast I would be a sitting duck. I originally suggested we do two of these events, primarily so drivers could experience being the fast car and the slow car.
As for the reward system. It's pretty clear it isn't working. It might as well be random assignment. However, I really don't care. I'll show up and race as long as there is at least one other car close to my power level that I can battle with. Next season, I think PP or ballast should be used. I'd prefer ballast since it will affect tire wear and cornering speeds...but i'm not sure 200kg is enough to slow down the fast drivers.
- 72
- SoCal
- GeezerG123
- 209
Yes lots of planning goes into this but in no way did i have any effect of any outcome of that one race. A terrible over exaggeration by a host who, as we all know, a. Doesnt like me and b. couldnt wait to boot me out of the entire series. once again i feel like i broke garris's favorite toy truck when he was two and he wasnt able to get another.
As for the assumption i dont take it seriously. I take it more seriously than anyone. One 360 witb no effect on an outcome and booted by a five year old host. Hilarious and the story gets better with each retelling. Ps id love the replay if anyone has it to post
As for the assumption i dont take it seriously. I take it more seriously than anyone. One 360 witb no effect on an outcome and booted by a five year old host. Hilarious and the story gets better with each retelling. Ps id love the replay if anyone has it to post
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- 209
Mmk, multiple offenses across several races. Minor penalty assessed
Cujo, one offense in one heat of one night, booted from series.
?
- 2,600
- Saint Louis
- diabolicwyvern
Rules are rules, but punishment is up for interpretation.
Driver A takes two drivers off course, cuts corners for 35 minutes and purposefully punts a driver us mid race of a 40 lap crapfest.
Driver A also drives backwards on the track because he took wrong tires of an hour long race, disrupting every driver on track.
Driver B acts foolishly by doing a 360 that accidentally affects a driver on the 2nd lap of an 8 lap race, one with non permanent damage that would have allowed you to start first the following race.
Driver A is okay / Driver B is apparently banned for life.
- 1,013
- Connecticut
- TrackBound7
The last I checked this is a RACING series. Not a series to be doing 360s, sitting in the middle of the track, or continuously complaining about everything in the series. To be honest, there were 2 times I came up on you in that race and had no idea what you were going to do...one of which was right near the end and BTK and I had to split you since you were sitting in the track. I hardly had room to get between you and the wall. There was a complete lack of respect for other drivers last night.
- 918
- Leitchfield, KY
- BOWTIEKID
*Bunta lights a cigarette*
"Well... *takes puff* this is awkward."
A crowd has formed in front of the tofu shop and cheers are heard from over a block away. Takumi walks up with Bowtie, wearing an IKEA Elite sweatshirt, and see's Diabolic standing off to the side dying in laughter.
"What's going on?" Takumi asks. "Is there a fight or something?"
Diabolic manages to catch his breath, and screams "Look!". He points to the crowd of people in front of the Tofu shop. Takumi and Bowtie look at each other with puzzling expressions and walk to the group. The closer they get, the stronger the smell of smoke and gas fumes are. They squeeze through the mob, to see an interesting site.
Cujo and Iggy are each in a PDI Racing Kart 100 doing donuts around one another, and stop at the site of Takumi. On the ground in blackmarks, they've seen to have written "Takumi likes wiener." Bowtie dies laughing and goes to join the now recovered Diabolic on the sidewalk.
"What the ****??" Bowtie asks.
"Apparently Takumi went and busted Casey Anthony while Cujo was at work." Diabolic replies.
Cujo stands up and get's off the kart, and punches Takumi in the face extremely hard. You hear Takumi's jaw break, and he falls to the ground unconscious.
"NOW WHAT." Cujo screams.
He then jumps on the Kart with Iggy in tow, and does a 360 in the street, when suddenly Garris comes barreling down the street on a Pink 20" Bicycle. Cujo hit's the left front wheel and breaks it off, and Garris is thrown over the handlebars. He lands on the ground with a thud, and the pink tasseled handlebar grips lay next to him.
*TO BE CONTINUED*
"Well... *takes puff* this is awkward."
A crowd has formed in front of the tofu shop and cheers are heard from over a block away. Takumi walks up with Bowtie, wearing an IKEA Elite sweatshirt, and see's Diabolic standing off to the side dying in laughter.
"What's going on?" Takumi asks. "Is there a fight or something?"
Diabolic manages to catch his breath, and screams "Look!". He points to the crowd of people in front of the Tofu shop. Takumi and Bowtie look at each other with puzzling expressions and walk to the group. The closer they get, the stronger the smell of smoke and gas fumes are. They squeeze through the mob, to see an interesting site.
Cujo and Iggy are each in a PDI Racing Kart 100 doing donuts around one another, and stop at the site of Takumi. On the ground in blackmarks, they've seen to have written "Takumi likes wiener." Bowtie dies laughing and goes to join the now recovered Diabolic on the sidewalk.
"What the ****??" Bowtie asks.
"Apparently Takumi went and busted Casey Anthony while Cujo was at work." Diabolic replies.
Cujo stands up and get's off the kart, and punches Takumi in the face extremely hard. You hear Takumi's jaw break, and he falls to the ground unconscious.
"NOW WHAT." Cujo screams.
He then jumps on the Kart with Iggy in tow, and does a 360 in the street, when suddenly Garris comes barreling down the street on a Pink 20" Bicycle. Cujo hit's the left front wheel and breaks it off, and Garris is thrown over the handlebars. He lands on the ground with a thud, and the pink tasseled handlebar grips lay next to him.
*TO BE CONTINUED*
- 2,600
- Saint Louis
- diabolicwyvern
Hello pot, this is kettle. We're black!
Anyone who pushes multiple people out in multiple races ought not be responding about etiquette and RACING. Im just sayin!
This segment of Im just sayin brought to you by
"Folks who dont give a 🤬"- giving crappy racers a chance because frankly we dont give a 🤬
and by
"Wet Dreams" - an innovative snorkeling adventure hosted by Michael Schumacher.
Anyone who pushes multiple people out in multiple races ought not be responding about etiquette and RACING. Im just sayin!
This segment of Im just sayin brought to you by
"Folks who dont give a 🤬"- giving crappy racers a chance because frankly we dont give a 🤬
and by
"Wet Dreams" - an innovative snorkeling adventure hosted by Michael Schumacher.
- 918
- Leitchfield, KY
- BOWTIEKID
Well, I would like to start a formal petition, and I'm going to be as nice as I can be about this.
I would like to petition Cujo's ban from th series, and request that if we have a petition with 7 formal signatures (7/13 drivers means over 50% of drivers) saying that we should revoke his ban, Cujo will be allowed to race just like normal. This isn't a mutiny, but a petition.
Like I said, trying to be as formal and as nice as I can be. I can type up a document tonight, and send it to each driver. They have the option to sign it or not, and if they choose not too, no big deal.
I would like to petition Cujo's ban from th series, and request that if we have a petition with 7 formal signatures (7/13 drivers means over 50% of drivers) saying that we should revoke his ban, Cujo will be allowed to race just like normal. This isn't a mutiny, but a petition.
Like I said, trying to be as formal and as nice as I can be. I can type up a document tonight, and send it to each driver. They have the option to sign it or not, and if they choose not too, no big deal.
- 874
- Ottawa, Canada
- GTP_pyxen
Frankly, I'd rather have Cujo than not - he's always entertaining, and a good competitor.. sure it was a bit of a dumbass thing to do, but it happened...
If anything, just knock him down the series leaderboard, and don't give him cash for this week. Ie: he'd be further from winning, both in points, and car's ability.
I'm with BTK.
Question is, does he want to come back?
If anything, just knock him down the series leaderboard, and don't give him cash for this week. Ie: he'd be further from winning, both in points, and car's ability.
I'm with BTK.
Question is, does he want to come back?
- 591
- Easley, SC
- spooble
Was Cujo a big douchenozzle during the race?
Yes.
Should he be executed(banned)?
Probably not... yet.
I haven't watched the replay, but why even play around like that during a race? There are multiple spots to park out of the way on that track. If you're not even trying, the other drivers shouldn't even have to leave their line to pass you, much less have to avoid you while you're spinning.
That being said, if I were calling the shots, I would probably go with a stern warning this time and send him to the gallows on the next offense.
Yes.
Should he be executed(banned)?
Probably not... yet.
I haven't watched the replay, but why even play around like that during a race? There are multiple spots to park out of the way on that track. If you're not even trying, the other drivers shouldn't even have to leave their line to pass you, much less have to avoid you while you're spinning.
That being said, if I were calling the shots, I would probably go with a stern warning this time and send him to the gallows on the next offense.
- 2,254
- Burlington, NC, USA
- a_garris/Vol_Jbolaz
The responses have been amusing, and I'm glad the drivers still have their humor about them. I'm only going to respond once and I'm done. I really don't want to drag this out, I really don't care for drama, and I really don't want this to be about one driver.
As a test of myself to see if I over reacted, as some have suggested, I have asked myself a few questions.
Would I have banned Cujo if he had wrecked someone other than me?
Yes. But to be fair, I might have had to watch the replay, so it is possible that he would've been allowed to drive the rest of the night. Since it was me, I was there, I don't need to see a replay. On the other hand, he announced during qualifying that he was going to be an ass, and announcing that you are going to knowingly do something stupid before you do it immediately lowers my patience. I tried to warn him off of it. My mic kept cutting out. I didn't realize people couldn't hear me until the "is reverse grid set" question was asked a second time.
Would I have banned anyone else if they had done the same thing?
The beauty of this question is, no one else would've done it. Seriously! Cujo has been, historically, in a class by himself. I can't say that I would've banned someone else. All I can say is question is moot.
Do I have it in for Cujo?
Not really, but I will be the first to point out that Cujo is in a different class. People are trying to compare Cujo to Hellraiser. I want to point out that I don't want to kick out bad drivers. I am a bad driver. Hellraiser may be a bad driver, inconsistent and overly aggressive, but he isn't trying to ruin someone else's evening.
Cujo has a history of causing accidents and then blaming the other driver. I can actually recall two incidents where he has caused an accident with me (not counting this 360 crap) and blamed me for the accident. He has this entitlement that because his car is faster the accident isn't his fault, or because his car, and not he as a driver, is failing, it is not his fault.
I don't know how many other drivers he has done this to. I do remember him trying to drive that old Skyline, and me and others pointing out that it was his throttle control (or lack there of) that made that car a supremely poor choice and a menace to others.
And I know there are several who want to point out that I am a bad driver and that I have caused accidents. That is true, I have. But I have really made an effort to avoid accidents, and I do take credit when they are my fault. I don't see Cujo making that same effort to avoid accidents.
As to letting Cujo back in this season? No. He doesn't want back in. He, above all others, have complained about the cash structure. And I do agree, it isn't perfect. But the previous system was worse. After this season, I think I will be moving toward a PP based system.
Will I allow Cujo in next season? Yes. If he wants to make an honest effort.
As an aside, this is what I'm thinking of for next season. I'm thinking of ditching the Lemons idea. I'm thinking of doing maybe a 350 PP Comfort Soft series. I may use something like Elo rankings, and every few races (two-four weeks?) adjusting handicaps (Driver X can run 355 PP, Driver Y can run 358 PP, or whatever) to try and make the racing closer.
I want to give handicaps so the poorer drivers are within so many seconds of the leaders, but not give handicaps so that the poorer drivers are faster than the leaders. They have to close that last gap themselves. It will take quite a bit to get it to work, I'm sure. It may fail miserably.
Sorry that was epically long.
As a test of myself to see if I over reacted, as some have suggested, I have asked myself a few questions.
Would I have banned Cujo if he had wrecked someone other than me?
Yes. But to be fair, I might have had to watch the replay, so it is possible that he would've been allowed to drive the rest of the night. Since it was me, I was there, I don't need to see a replay. On the other hand, he announced during qualifying that he was going to be an ass, and announcing that you are going to knowingly do something stupid before you do it immediately lowers my patience. I tried to warn him off of it. My mic kept cutting out. I didn't realize people couldn't hear me until the "is reverse grid set" question was asked a second time.
Would I have banned anyone else if they had done the same thing?
The beauty of this question is, no one else would've done it. Seriously! Cujo has been, historically, in a class by himself. I can't say that I would've banned someone else. All I can say is question is moot.
Do I have it in for Cujo?
Not really, but I will be the first to point out that Cujo is in a different class. People are trying to compare Cujo to Hellraiser. I want to point out that I don't want to kick out bad drivers. I am a bad driver. Hellraiser may be a bad driver, inconsistent and overly aggressive, but he isn't trying to ruin someone else's evening.
Cujo has a history of causing accidents and then blaming the other driver. I can actually recall two incidents where he has caused an accident with me (not counting this 360 crap) and blamed me for the accident. He has this entitlement that because his car is faster the accident isn't his fault, or because his car, and not he as a driver, is failing, it is not his fault.
I don't know how many other drivers he has done this to. I do remember him trying to drive that old Skyline, and me and others pointing out that it was his throttle control (or lack there of) that made that car a supremely poor choice and a menace to others.
And I know there are several who want to point out that I am a bad driver and that I have caused accidents. That is true, I have. But I have really made an effort to avoid accidents, and I do take credit when they are my fault. I don't see Cujo making that same effort to avoid accidents.
As to letting Cujo back in this season? No. He doesn't want back in. He, above all others, have complained about the cash structure. And I do agree, it isn't perfect. But the previous system was worse. After this season, I think I will be moving toward a PP based system.
Will I allow Cujo in next season? Yes. If he wants to make an honest effort.
As an aside, this is what I'm thinking of for next season. I'm thinking of ditching the Lemons idea. I'm thinking of doing maybe a 350 PP Comfort Soft series. I may use something like Elo rankings, and every few races (two-four weeks?) adjusting handicaps (Driver X can run 355 PP, Driver Y can run 358 PP, or whatever) to try and make the racing closer.
I want to give handicaps so the poorer drivers are within so many seconds of the leaders, but not give handicaps so that the poorer drivers are faster than the leaders. They have to close that last gap themselves. It will take quite a bit to get it to work, I'm sure. It may fail miserably.
Sorry that was epically long.
- 1,013
- Connecticut
- TrackBound7
My last response on London:
I seriously was considering the thought of agreeing with the petition to get Cujo back in. I spent some time going back through all 4 races to clear up an issue I had with Chuyler (please look for a PM). After seeing the complete and udder disrespect for all other competitors, I would not have moved forward with the petition. I can't agree with Vol anymore about a difference between a self claimed "menace" and a driver who has a lack of skills that causes problems.
Vol, your thoughts for next season have rejuvenated my desire to stick with this series long term. I think that idea (whether you call it Lemons or not), is more in the spirit of lemons racing.
I seriously was considering the thought of agreeing with the petition to get Cujo back in. I spent some time going back through all 4 races to clear up an issue I had with Chuyler (please look for a PM). After seeing the complete and udder disrespect for all other competitors, I would not have moved forward with the petition. I can't agree with Vol anymore about a difference between a self claimed "menace" and a driver who has a lack of skills that causes problems.
Vol, your thoughts for next season have rejuvenated my desire to stick with this series long term. I think that idea (whether you call it Lemons or not), is more in the spirit of lemons racing.
- 209
Stop the petition, I don't want to be let back into this series. I'm not gonna put up with the hosts outrageous lies. Saying I have a history of this is absolute rubbish. The only person who thinks I have this history of wrecking is you! I have completely wrecked one other car, diabolic, last season when I had my tv blocked and destroyed his car. For months now u bring up these other wrecks........ And now ur bringing up moments from lemons 2 with my horrible to control skyline! The number of accidents the host has caused is uncountable over the seasons. Anyone with a brain knows I am clearly the better driver and bring personality and skill to the series, sure I crash myself as I tend to crack a bit late in races but I'm not the maniac u tend to have dreamed up in your head.
So you can stick to watering down the lemons series to make it easier for terrible drivers like yourself to attempt to compete with far superior drivers. If I ran the series I wouldn't want you in its unless u were just there to do the spreadsheets.
Fatality! Cujo Wins
So you can stick to watering down the lemons series to make it easier for terrible drivers like yourself to attempt to compete with far superior drivers. If I ran the series I wouldn't want you in its unless u were just there to do the spreadsheets.
Fatality! Cujo Wins
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