LeMONS to LeMANS Wednesday Series

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After 2 laps at Suzuka on each tire available next week I came up with the following stats. These times are by no means best laps...they are just reference points to how each tire will behave. I actually ran these with my Tuesday car so the exact times should only be used to compare to one another.

On Dry Pavement
Racing Hard Tires: 2:27.5
Racing Intermediate: 2:30.0
Racing Rain: 2:35.5

On Wet Pavement
Racing Hard Tires: N/A (3 to 5 minutes maybe, i gave up after 3 turns).
Racing Intermediate: 2:47.5
Racing Rain: 2:42.0

Conclusion
It is clearly obvious that the tire model is going to promote some competitive strategy as long as we have some mixed weather conditions to force potential unscheduled pit stops. Right off the bat it is clearly obvious you do not want to get caught in the rain with racing hard tires on. You will have to pit the next time around, if you ever make it. Rain tires give you an advantage in the rain obviously, and intermediate tires are a safe bet for both rain and dry while not being spectacular in either. Drivers could run intermediates for consistency and pit stop scheduling...or they could jump between hards and rains as the weather changes and probably make out just as well.
 
Any idea how the tires wear compared to one another? Real rain tires (and inters to a lesser degree) wear down very quickly in dry conditions.
 
I only ran 2 laps on each tire. I know there is no difference between racing hard and racing soft when it comes to number of laps. I do know that tire wear is related more to tire temperature than it is tire compound...so any tire in the rain should last longer than on dry pavement since they usually stay blue.
 
i'm glad you posted that info about tires

it was going to be a question of mine


regarding last night's race at trial mountain:

funnily enough, it's the 3rd? race we've had to restart, and i've gotten off to a good start on all three (good start being relative, because it's more about the finish than the start)

that brings me to my thoughts about the series, going forward

i think this series currently does a good job of letting skill, consistency, and a bit of fortune dictate the overall results

yet it keeps inconsistent, inexperienced drivers competitive

i don't know about the little details, in terms of rewards/penalties, car advantages/disadvantages, etc, and i'm not partial to any particularities

but i just thought i'd mention that i find this a success in what it attempts to achieve

and i think going to 385pp does well to excite for the next season, in terms of car options


back to that race last night,

i started decently, as i expected

but that lasted only a lap or two, as usual, since my staying power is weak

i also found it difficult to keep the tires from wearing too fast

on lap 13 i sustained major damage first coming around the final chicane to the start/finish, and found dabneyd perpendicular to the roadway

i chose to go left, it didn't work, i should've gone right instead...

i mildly damaged myself again later in the race when i decided not to pit, but to go for one more lap

on that last chicane, i treated it like i had fresh tires, sliding across and not able to avoid contact

still, i managed to finish where i had hoped, 6th - 8th


suzuka will be a grand time! 👍
 
Nice video there chuyler1. 👍
We had a nice battle between you , me and WiiFreak in the first 11 laps.

Good thing you were awake on lap 6 when I went wide and almost spun and skid into you before the first tunnel.

I pitted every 11 laps , otherwice I would have been undesteering too much more.
It was actually nice to be able to push pedal to the medal for 8/11 laps without worrying too mutch about the concequences. :D

On lap 49 I drafted/was lapping morbo (galikazoid) and accidently bumped him at the end of the long straith. Sorry again.
He was able to keep the car in control and ultimatedly avoid getting damage , which was a relief. Phewh. :scared:



MadMax
 
Every 11 laps??? Wow. I went lap 27 to the end without pitting. I wondered what happened to you. I was chewing up my fronts as well but understeer wasn't that big of an issue...I just had trouble with body roll in general. Any part of the track that upset the soft suspension had me fighting the wheel to keep it straight.
 
chuyler1
After 2 laps at Suzuka on each tire available next week I came up with the following stats. These times are by no means best laps...they are just reference points to how each tire will behave. I actually ran these with my Tuesday car so the exact times should only be used to compare to one another.

On Dry Pavement
Racing Hard Tires: 2:27.5
Racing Intermediate: 2:30.0
Racing Rain: 2:35.5

On Wet Pavement
Racing Hard Tires: N/A (3 to 5 minutes maybe, i gave up after 3 turns).
Racing Intermediate: 2:47.5
Racing Rain: 2:42.0

Conclusion
It is clearly obvious that the tire model is going to promote some competitive strategy as long as we have some mixed weather conditions to force potential unscheduled pit stops. Right off the bat it is clearly obvious you do not want to get caught in the rain with racing hard tires on. You will have to pit the next time around, if you ever make it. Rain tires give you an advantage in the rain obviously, and intermediate tires are a safe bet for both rain and dry while not being spectacular in either. Drivers could run intermediates for consistency and pit stop scheduling...or they could jump between hards and rains as the weather changes and probably make out just as well.
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I thought it was racing hard or racing rain only? Why do you have intermediate listed?
 
I tested "Intermediate Rain Tires" not "Racing Medium Tires". There is a difference. When you purchase "Racing Hard Tires" it opens up three options...

Racing Hard (duh)
Racing Intermediate Rain
Racing Rain

All three of these tires are options for the race next week. As seen above, the intermediate tires are exactly what you would think. They are somewhere around 3-5 seconds slower than slicks in the dry and 3-5 seconds slower than rain tires in the wet. Slicks are abismal in the wet and full rain tires are an additional 5 seconds slower in dry weather compared to intermediates. With each option being 3-5 seconds apart...the right strategy and pitting at the right time could allow a much slower car to win the race simply on pit strategy...provided of course we get some variation in weather during the 1.5hr race.

So there are really 3 strategies:

1) Go all or nothing and take your chances on slicks in the dry and full rain tires in the wet
2) Run intermediate rain tires the entire races and take your chances that your slower lap times will equal out as drivers make extra pit stops to change over
3) Mix up the above strategies on the fly depending on weather. For example start on slicks and if it rains switch to intermediates in hopes that the rain won't last very long.
 
Don't forget to send me your list of modifications by 12:00pm eastern tomorrow!

Also check the Tuesday series thread for interesting discussion on tire strategy. Below are some important notes for wednesday's race...

* Tire restriction will be set to "Racing Hard" which gives you the option of running "Racing: Rain", "Racing: Intermediate", and "Racing Hard" tires. Not available for the race are "Racing Medium" and "Racing Soft".

* Grip reduction WILL BE SET TO REAL. If you haven't practiced yet, with this setting, cars are severely crippled in the rain on racing hard tires. If you aren't spinning out on every corner and forced to drive about 20 mph in the turns...you probably didn't set the room up correctly.

* Please do not cross the white line exiting pit road. I don't care if you think no one is coming. To be fair, don't cross it. When you enter turn 1, stay to the right side of the track until it is safe to track out. Whether the track is wet or dry, cars coming down the front straight on warm tires are going to be much faster. If you attempt to block exiting the pit you might find yourself making a pit stop again.

* You may use the second pit road entrance (after the chicane). With the power our cars have, you will likely be at full throttle entering pit road so you shouldn't disrupt any vehicles behind you that are not planning on pitting. However, if you have damage and are running very slow...use your best judgement and make use of the first entrance if you think your vehicle is going to be blocking other cars on the track as you go through the chicane.

* Weather will be set to Dry non-fixed at 9:30 and the race will begin at 10:00. Whatever happens, will happen. I am not guaranteeing that it will rain at all but i do hope we at least get a sprinkle or two.

* It is not clear whether your car will have the tires you last installed on the track during qualifying (via making a trip to pit road), or the tires you selected when you first entered the track. If weather changes during the 30 minutes of qualifying/practice, you may want to exit the track shortely before race start to make sure you have the right tires. This will require running at least one more qualifying lap so be prepared ahead of time to do this...or play it safe and just run intermediate tires.

* We will run 35 laps rain or shine. If it stays dry the race should be around 80-85 minutes. If it happens to rain the entire time, the race could take 100 minutes. My guess is we will end up right around the 90 minute mark.
 
Son of a b!!! Google converted my account to some new system. My spreadsheet has been lost in the shuffle. i still have last week's posting but i think I'll have to create the sheet from scratch. Ugh :/
 
So let's figure this out before we have 30 minutes of debate. Are we starting in the dry or in the rain tonight? Simple question.
 
I'm severely disappointed that we didn't get rain. I will open the room at 9:30 and set it to rain. I have no idea how long it will rain but we'll go from there. I won't reset the room if it stops raining...we'll just have to hope it starts again.
 
This should be fun
In never tried the vette in the wet
I'll be running practice around 4 CST for anyone who wants to join :)
 
Sent my part selections in.
And tested different tyres on different conditions.
Made my desision of what tyres to use for what weather and so on.



MadMax
 
I'm hoping for rain, I've got this huge ass wing to keep me planted in the turns. Otherwise I think I may be screwed on the straights since I won last week and couldn't do any power upgrades.

Back to back wins?
 
My car has decent speed this week, but I think it'll still be a bit slow in a straight line, and any attempts to dial out the understeer in dry weather wreaks havoc on wet traction.

On a side note, it sounds like we will have difficulty getting variable weather. I'm discussing it with a guy who runs 2hr enduros. He said if we start out in rain there is a 75% chance it will stop raining after 5 minutes then never rain again. The other 25% of the time it never stops. He has never seen it rain when the room starts out sunny.

I think we should take our chances with setting the weather to "rain" at 9:30 and see what happens. The only other option I see is to run fixed rain.
 
No, what's going on at LRP this weekend? We go every year for Grand Am (Memorial Day Weekend).
 
Ferrari Challenge is running there this weekend. 430 and 458 classes along with historics.

I'm heading up with a friend. Also, if you're ever going to the track from the south for whatever reason, Rt 7 from New Milford CT to the track is a great drive. I haven't driven any of it north of the track, but it's probably just as good.
 
We stay at the Rocky River Motel every year so I make that drive up route 7 half a dozen times over the weekend. It's a great drive! The best part is between Cornwall Bridge and LRP.

North of the track it is pretty straight so you aren't missing much.
 
Nice. I'm pretty stoked for the drive up there this weekend since I'll actually get to feel how my sway bars work on a good road. Roads on Long Island suck and parking lots only show you so much about your suspension :lol:

Maybe it'll make me think twice about wanting to sell the thing...
 
I actually don't have much going on this weekend...you should've let me know you were heading up there, I could've planned around it.

Thinking about maybe going down for Labor Day weekend... Vintage Festival.

When I go over Memorial Day, we've got a guy who organizes all kinds of stuff for the various Mazda clubs (I drive a Mazdaspeed6 IRL and had a Protege5 before that). We get to do parade laps between races. Not super exciting, but short of paying for track time its the closest I'll get to the track. BTW, the uphill is quite scary, even at 40 mph. Here's the video of last year when I rode with my friend (that's him talking, not me)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFjMhROs1pQ

Here I am honing my Chamonix skills on Newfound lake in N.H. I didn't have studs so once I got off the path the studded cars created my car just kept sliding. I hit the apex perfectly but just with too much speed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-3xl3o1xHg
 
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As fun as it is, I'm not sure if I'm gonna be up there for Vintage Fest. I might be heading down to Baltimore that weekend for IndyCar Series* and ALMS.

*Edit: I called it CART :lol:
 
sl3ight
As fun as it is, I'm not sure if I'm gonna be up there for Vintage Fest. I might be heading down to Baltimore that weekend for IndyCar Series* and ALMS.

*Edit: I called it CART :lol:
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I think I'm trying to go to the Baltimore GP as well. Looks fun!
 
Missing parts from the following drivers...

Grenade (pretty sure he is missing the race though)
Diabolic
Twichie
Baldwin
Snoopy
 
Weather change is great:crazy: it rains for the first minute then is clear for the rest.
I can even get in a timed lap in the rain this way guess I'm going to fixed.
 
Diabolic is at work, he'll send it too you as soon as he can. I can vouch he's not cheating though.

Twichie, he doesn't have a computer and I don't think he knows how to PM on his PS3.

Snoopy, Not sure what's up with him. Hasn't been on much.
 
I added spoiler and muffler. banked remaining 5,550

just got back from bike ride gone awry. Got a flat about 30 minutes from home...had to walk it. :(
Oh the difference between 90 psi and 110

I will be there in a couple
 
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Wierd, I thought I emailed you on Tuesday chuyler.

Parts were:
Weight reduction 1. - 5000
Engine tuning 2 - 15000
Semi racing flywheel - 1500
 
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