Logitech G29 / G920 Driving Force Racing Wheel

[HKS racer]

Maybe the time is right for another games industry crash so everything is reset in both games and official accessories.

Some months ago I had to decide. New real car or new sim racing equipment. I went for new real car.
There are more and more things I don't like in this industry, G25 G27 wheels not compatible with PS4, T300 Thrustmaster that works on PS4 is 300 € wheel without a bloody clutch, now this G29 with 400 € price tag (without the bloody shifter) that looks like a toy.

 

[Spitfire77]

So you'd still rank the T300 first even with reliability issues?

Having a DFGT, either of those two would be a good step up for me. I just have worries about T300 reliability.

Don't forget... Fanatec's wheels have also had reliability problems. Many people seem to be forgetting that.

 

[GTRacer22]

Don't forget... Fanatec's wheels have also had reliability problems. Many people seem to be forgetting that.

Shoot me over a PM so we can continue discussing.

 

[tezster]

Street price needs to be under $300 before I even consider this wheel.

 

[Smurfybug]

Street price needs to be under $300 before I even consider this wheel.

200 sounds nice....

 

[gt3_racer05]

after checking out both of these products on the maker's website, the PS version does more than its counterpart

 

[sems4arsenal]

G29 + Shifter = $459.98

T300 + Shifter or T3PA Pedals = ~$550

Fanatec Porsche 911 GT2 + Pedals = $449.85

Well, I think I know what I'm getting...

Mediocre wheel + crap shifter = 459.98$

Great wheel + incredible shifter + very good pedals = 550$

ftfy

 

[skazz]

So you'd still rank the T300 first even with reliability issues?

Having a DFGT, either of those two would be a good step up for me. I just have worries about T300 reliability.

In terms of FFB quality the T300 blows the Fanatec and a G25 away. It's as agile and quick to flick around as the Logitech while being as smooth as the Fanatec, yet 50% more powerful than both.

Yes, Logitech is more reliable: I have never had a problem with any of my Logitech wheels (even using a G25 regularly with PC from 2008-2014) but my Fanatec and both my Thrustmaster wheels needed RMA. I don't mind because I have other wheels. But I do appreciate how important it would be for some people.

Of course, experience teaches us that almost every wheel has teething problems for the first 6 months of production. Even though the G29 looks similar to G27, you can be sure that it will be slightly less bullet proof than the G27 is after many years in production. That's just the way it is for our complex niche peripherals.

 

[AudiMan2011]

Wheel with sketchy reliability + expensive shifter + expensive pedals = 550$

Fixed.

 

[sems4arsenal]

Fixed.

you're paying 90$ more for much much better quality (fair point re-reliability)

 

[Shinu]

My g25 pedal potentiometers messed up just before warranty ended, so they sent me a new g27. There customer support is the best, but in a new wheel i kind of want new features. Ever since i got my g25 I dreamed of switchable rims. Damn I have a hard decision to make .

 

[tlowr4]

Okay, oops indeed xD I never realised it was compatible.

If anything though, that :censored:s me off even more. They're attempting to deceive us into thinking we need two wheels? Not telling us the full compatibility features of a product? Isn't that mis-somethingorother or whatever its' called?

This is unfamiliar territory for me, I"m a massive Logitech fanboy. I call them Dogitech as a joke, but in reality I love their gear. I use their mice, keyboards (when I can), and their headsets. Hell, even the USB hub I have is Logitech. But for some reason this has really riled me up. Just something about the two wheels thing sets of huge alarmbells in my mind. If they were two different wheels aimed at different price brackets, sure, but... it just smelled fishy to me when I first read about it.

 

[VBR]

Everyone seems to be forgetting that Logitech have made no announcements regarding compatibility of older wheels like the DFGT, G27, & G25. Everyone just seems to be automatically assuming that they won't work based on the fact they haven't said that they will work (yet).

Will be interesting to see how things pan out over the coming weeks & months.

 

[FMW]

Interesting to see the NEW wheels at $400 still use old technology drive motors when the industry has finally gone with "brushless" drive motors and have much more accurate HALL sensors.

 

[zr1chris]

G29 + Shifter = $459.98

T300 + Shifter or T3PA Pedals = ~$550

Fanatec Porsche 911 GT2 + Pedals = $449.85

Well, I think I know what I'm getting...

You can't compare the GT2 with either of those wheels. The GT2 worked with both Xbox and PS3. I can't even imagine what they would charge for dual compatibility for this gen. The $100 cheaper but equal quality GT3 is a better comparison

 

[GTRacer22]

You can't compare the GT2 with either of those wheels. The GT2 worked with both Xbox and PS3. I can't even imagine what they would charge for dual compatibility for this gen. The $100 cheaper but equal quality GT3 is a better comparison

The GT2 is compatible with PS4...

 

[zr1chris]

The GT2 is compatible with PS4...

Not fully. Only works with 2 games. But anyhow it just adds to my point of why this G29 is just absurdly overpriced.

 

[Mike_grpA]

Ok, just saw the pricing for this, was really expecting it to be much cheaper. It works out to be around $520aud, without the shifter, while a t300 here is $500aud. WTF? Why would I want to buy a G27 with a different wheel rim for more than a t300? It's ridiculously overpriced!

I was expecting them to price it around the $300aud mark, as they'd have that end of the market all to themselves, like they had with the dfgt. They've missed a trick here by pricing this wheel such that it puts it in direct competition with wheels that are technically far superior.

As far as reliability goes, this will still have the unreliable optical sensor wheel, and the unreliable potentiometers, so it'll hardly be bullet proof.

 

[Dopplegagger]

Happy to see that the Xbone has another choice in the wheel department. Hopefully it's more reliable than the TX or the MC.

Not liking the $400 sticker though. But if it's better in reliability, then I might get one.

 

[GTP Ziggy]

What is more realiable, T300/T500 or G27? Will the G29 be more reliable?

 

[Mike_grpA]

What is more realiable, T300/T500 or G27? Will the G29 be more reliable?

I only own a dfgt, but it uses the same type of optical encoder wheel and potentiometers the g27 uses afaik and they've both failed on my dfgt after less than a year of use on GT6.

 

[Tcabrino]

I am the only one believing on the compatibility of G27, G25 and DFGT during E3?

 

[12thgear]

Now that I've had more time to process all this info, I think the pricing is probably fair, but far higher than I'd like. I guess I've been spoiled by seeing Driving Force GT wheels on sale for $100 and G27 wheels as low as $200. $399 for a decent wheel and pedal combo seems to be the going rate these days, unfortunately.

Breaking it down further, the materials used on the new G29 and G920 are somewhat premium, especially compared to the Thrustmaster TX (great internals, but the stock rim is a toy). Logitech's perceived reliability and customer support is pretty good. I had a Driving Force Pro and G25 and they were both workhorses. They're also the most widely distributed brand in this market segment.

Thrustmaster offers higher performance wheels thanks to brushless motors and a smoother belt-driven design. But pricing increases significantly when you factor upgrading the pedals, upgrading the wheel (on the TX; the T300 RS wheel is pretty nice) and adding the relatively expensive shifter. It also seems that Thrustmaster's reliability could be an issue.

Fanatec's comparable CSR and GT3 RS wheels fall somewhere between a G27 and TX/T300 RS in performance (closer to the G27 side, truth be told). But the Fanatec ecosystem is the most interesting. The ClubSport Shifter is really nice for the asking price. The CSR Elite and ClubSport pedals are another step up from Thrustmaster's offerings. Fanatec's reliability reputation has been less than stellar. I'd say they lag behind Thrustmaster here as well. I've had nothing but good luck with them (knock on wood).

Regarding Mad Catz's driving wheels—well, we don't talk about Mad Catz around here.

 

[OdeFinn]

"The nonlinear brake pedal mimics the performance of a pressure-sensitive brake system for a more responsive, accurate braking feel."

And what this means? Something has done with brake pedal, but what?

 

[diptob79]

They will put progressive spring for the brake pedal, or maybe just some dampening rubber to get that non-linear feel without using a loadcell (pressure-sensitive)

"The nonlinear brake pedal mimics the performance of a pressure-sensitive brake system for a more responsive, accurate braking feel."

And what this means? Something has done with brake pedal, but what?

 

[noseknows36]

It really pisses me off that they're charging $400 for this wheel, even though it is basically a re-branded G27 with a facelift. What pisses me off even more is that the G27 is not supported on the PS4, while this is. It's just a blatant money-whoring scheme. I just feel like Logitech is insulting its current customer base by thinking we're too stupid to see what they're trying to do.

I wouldn't be this annoyed with the G29 if it actually used updated technology, and was comparable to the belt driven wheels on the market. It's just a lazy effort from Logitech in my opinion.

 

[Soundtrack]

Everyone seems to be forgetting that Logitech have made no announcements regarding compatibility of older wheels like the DFGT, G27, & G25. Everyone just seems to be automatically assuming that they won't work based on the fact they haven't said that they will work (yet).

Will be interesting to see how things pan out over the coming weeks & months.

Eagerly waiting E3 for a last minute One more thing keynote as the PS4 G29 driver could include the sesame for installed base support indeed. However the pricing makes me a little dubious as I’m a bit skeptical Logitech expects to market the convenience of not using an additional external controller to navigate the menus for about 200€. Unless an artificially overpriced figure is a temporary measure in order to dispose of remaining stocks...

 

[HeroStar1988]

Well that's gorgeous! Thanks god for support PC. Again. Shut up and take my money!
I'll waiting for preorder ready IN Australia.
Of course G29, I do love PS series and to see how it going compare to T300RS.

 

[SVX]

Jesus, $600 NZD converted minus shifter, so most likely ~800 after price hike... for a next gen compatible G27? Yeah, I'll keep on the lookout for a G25 thanks.

 

[Jimmy_Pop]

$460 for the combo, for an extra $20 I can get two G27's off of Amazon and be set for a very long time, of course for about another $275 you can opt for the t500 and the shifter. I think that Logitec is going slightly the wrong way on this one. To say the least I will keep my g27.