London and England riots

[rocko100]

What do vet's do with animals that cant be cured/healed they put them down, Same goes for these hooligans, Breaking into shop after shop looting everything they can setting fire to cars, homes and businesses endangering innocent peoples lives and destroying their livelyhoods, This is already a serious problem that needs a radical solution to put an end to it we have all seen the damage that has already been caused.

What your talking about is inhuman, I disagree

 

[CAM]

I just don't have anything to say to that that is AUP-friendly. Killing a load of people that size would just spark another wave of them, just twice as mad. Civilized government doesn't use massacre as a form of punishment. The ones who did didn't fare so well. Read a history book.

 

[ghostrider135]

Ah I give up trying to get my point across, Mark my words there will soon be Snatch LandRovers and armed personnel on the streets of london.

 

[CAM]

There very well may be. There won't be, however, a load of dead rioters in the streets from your plan, nor will a single one be given the order to open fire on the masses of rioters. Mark my words.

 

[Wiegert]

I expect this to go on through the night and peter out at day break when everybody gets tired of causing havoc and carrying dvd players back home.

The police will get control back of the streets and the scale of carnage will then become even more apparent.

This is pretty much my assumption of what will happen, well at least I hope this is what will happen. The last thing we want is more rioting taking place tomorrow night in more parts of the country, so here's hoping the situation doesn't get any worse.

 

[W3H5]

I just read another article today about how these scum bags are looting and torching parts of London. I'm just glad I'm not there to be honest.

All of these people rioting over a man who's shot for pointing a firearm at the police, of course the man's going to get taken out.
Reports from his family actually said "He didn't deserve what happened, he was a good man."
What sort of 'good' man aims a weapon at the law?

 

[a6m5]

I'll be honest with you, if they shot & killed someone who was obviously guilty of vandalism, looting shops, torching cars, I would feel like this on the inside:

But who decides when we start executing people on the streets? Which one do we arrest, and which one do we shoot? Also, cops are human, not machines(except the Robocop). There will be mistakes made. It's not as simple as it sounds. It's not exactly "we should start shooting bad guys". And do we want to give our government that type of control? This is often how dictatorship, or totalitarian government start seizing power, then turn into 1984-esque regime that oppresses anyone who doesn't see eye-to-eye with the authority.

Having said (all)that, if this was taking place in the United States, I'd be pretty frigging upset that they are not calling in the National Guard. If the police is just watching my place of work burn down, and the State Governor wouldn't call in the National Guard, I'd start a riot of my own!
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I just read another article today about how these scum bags are looting and torching parts of London. I'm just glad I'm not there to be honest.

All of these people rioting over a man who's shot for pointing a firearm at the police, of course the man's going to get taken out.
Reports from his family actually said "He didn't deserve what happened, he was a good man."
What sort of 'good' man aims a weapon at the law?

Couldn't agree more. I hear this sometimes on the news in the States, too. They really need a good 'ole slap in the face, so they can face the reality.

 

[Horde_R35]

They really need a good 'ole slap in the face, so they can face the reality.

Or a rubber bullet on the chest. (those things brake ribbs)

 

[W3H5]

It's a worry for me as my ol' ma and sister still live in London and could get caught up in some of this violence.

Rioting happens a lot here in China. The Islamic peoples of Xinjiang (biggest province) are always rioting here to have their own country. The police deal with this how it should be dealt with; attack police or innocent people, get beaten/ shot.

These riots happen everyday all over the country but last no longer than an afternoon because the police are not restricted by red tape and they are allowed to use lethal force. It works.

 

[a6m5]

Or a rubber bullet on the chest. (those things brake ribbs)

Um, no.

Just few weeks ago, some guy resisting arrest got shot by one of those where I live. Except the cop shot the real 12-Gauge into him by mistake. The victim(matter of opinion) was OK, can't imagine how. I own few rounds of the police issue 12-Gauge shells myself(buckshot & slugs). I won't be using them for home defense.
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It's a worry for me as my ol' ma and sister still live in London and could get caught up in some of this violence.

Rioting happens a lot here in China. The Islamic peoples of Xinjiang (biggest province) are always rioting here to have their own country. The police deal with this how it should be dealt with; attack police or innocent people, get beaten/ shot.

These riots happen everyday all over the country but last no longer than an afternoon because the police are not restricted by red tape and they are allowed to use lethal force. It works.

Not going to agree, or disagree with the Chinese politics, but I think criminal acts/riots & political riots are two different things.

P.S. I hope your family stay safe. 👍

 

[CAM]

I still don't think killing every single one of them is very smart at all. That would just create a new group of people with a real reason to riot next time.

 

[a6m5]

I still don't think killing every single one of them is very smart at all. That would just create a new group of people with a real reason to riot next time.

Well, while I'd vote to call in the National Guard,personally, what if your dad owned a company many people depend on for employment? What if the looters & rioters are robbing everything out of your dad's building, and are about to set it on fire? Police are just watching everything happen, because they are undermanned, can't do anything about it?

Troops on the streets doesn't mean mass-execution. Realistically, I would imagine that they would be more aggressive than your typical everyday cops, but it would still be a police action.

I don't even know if your post was directed at something I posted, but I just wanted to clarify my position.

 

[CAM]

No, it was directed to the guy adamant on killing them all that Mike Rotch and I both told off. And I don't mind them getting beaten to the ground to deter them from utterly destroying everything, but shooting everyone is a tad totalitarian-esque for my liking.

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

*5-minute silence to respect the innocent victim in the background*

 

[Akira GT]

 

[Villain]

No, it was directed to the guy adamant on killing them all that Mike Rotch and I both told off. And I don't mind them getting beaten to the ground to deter them from utterly destroying everything, but shooting everyone is a tad totalitarian-esque for my liking.

Shooting anyone to kill because of rioting and/or looting is ridiculous. Society is better than that - this is not the wild west anymore. I'm quite fine with the police policy here in California (and in the rest of the USA, I believe) where officers are only allowed to use lethal force when their life or the life of a hostage, bystander, other police officer, etc is in immediate danger.

/Against death penalty*



*(discussion for another thread?)[/SIZE]

 

[CAM]

👍 The answer to violence (or just stupidity, here) shouldn't be violence, unless it is the only option.

 

[CodeRedR51]

*5-minute silence to respect the innocent victim in the background*

Poor Miata.

 

[Barra333]

Poor Miata.

Dont worry, there are a dozen more in the UCD.

Incidentally, I support the use of military to try and disperse the crowds (not leave them in a puddle of blood, as some assume when the term military is used).

 

[PHCharls]

Poor people in UK

 

[C-ZETA]

So looks like more happened overnight. Judging by the posts though my borough seems to be OK

Looks like DQuan got the most damage to his town. Losing your favorite pub is a dark occurrence

Update - apparently there were actually a few gangs in Bromley High Street. But no fires

 

[PHCharls]

dang.so scary

 

[Stevisiov]

Off to New Street, the rioters should have gone home for now, so I should be fine.

 

[E28]

Staying in London on Thursday, yay!

Also, my dads 🤬 off at the moment. He manages shops, and quite a few of them have probaly been looted...

 

[Crispy]

Right now I am trying to stay awake for BBC News on BBCA, but I don't think I can stay up till 4:00AM.

I know that in Texas, it would be over in a day or two, with most of the rioters seriously injured or dead. I would have hated to see what would have happened to Dallas if the Mavericks hadn't one the Playoffs. They take that stuff too seriously here.

This is just terrible though. I hope everyone in those area's stays safe. These people are just out of control, and it may be inhumane, but the military needs to get in there and at least wave weapons around and threaten the rioters. Riot control? Rubber bullets, nightsticks, and riot shields? It pains me to say this, but these people need to be injured and punished for what they have done. It's been there fun and games, now it's time for ours.

I'm insane aren't I?

 

[homeforsummer]

Violence has spread to Leeds, Bristol and several other places, not to the extent of London though.

Faintly unbelievable that some daft bint on the Telegraph actually seems in support of the rioters by trying to justify it. Sorry, no justification on this one. Cause and effect is different from having a right to protest and that again is different from an opportunity to cause violence. Best bit of common sense I've seen was by one of the commenters on the story. Even if Godwin's Law makes an appearance:

This article just continues the narrative that blames the failure of young urban men (I would say working-class, but of course they;re not) on everybody but young urban men. I've lived in Tottenham for 22 years. I went to school here. I've seen people work hard, get jobs and thrive. I've also seen people succumb to the narrative that they are "underprivileged" but "entitled" and therefore if anyone stands in their way, take what you want and "deserve". It is a fascist ideology just as much as the Nazi "Volk" theory. Because it justifies treating other people as lesser. Colluding with it by indulging it makes things worse, not better.

It's a whole bunch of people who believe they deserve more in life without wishing to work for it, which is exactly what's wrong with our society in general. This is no longer about a shooting, it's basically people thinking they own the streets.

Anniversary of Nagasaki bombings today. A few days ago, it was the anniversary of Hiroshima. And Japan is still repairing itself after the tsunami and earthquakes.

In Japan, people risk their lives to help others and rebuild their country. In the UK, people risk others' lives to get whatever the hell they want. Which country has got society right, do you think?...

 

[Spagetti69]

I wonder what game some idiot will blame for this.

State of emergency released in 2002 springs to mind.

Maybe the Lego series though....... Lots of breaking things there.

 

[Clark]

My dad text me on his way into work in Birmingham. Said alot of shops smashed and emptied but its safe now. Not destruction in the same level as London.

 

[Crispy]

My dad text me on his way into work in Birmingham. Said alot of shops smashed and emptied but its safe now. Not destruction in the same level as London.

I couldn't imagine if that was my shop that I put years into just being destroyed by a bunch of low lifes.

 

[E28]

I couldn't imagine if that was my shop that I put years into just being destroyed by a bunch of low lifes.

Yeah. At least they'll hopefully get paid by their insurance company.