London and England riots

[Mark T]

I feel like setting up a website showing the faces of all the looters. I know there will be an official one anyway but I would love to do it.

Also, Facebook has the face recognition feature (I uploaded some photos the other day and it automatically tagged the people in the photos, was quite scary). Maybe they can help track down some of these rodents.

 

[mafia_boy]

Rioters target Sony Warehouse.

Alright, fess up......which one of you guys has the super cheap PS3's for sale??

 

[E28]

Rioters target Sony Warehouse.

Alright, fess up......which one of you guys has the super cheap PS3's for sale??

At least they know which is the superior console. (end PS3 fanboi)

 

[Danny]

I have to say, Leeds and Manchester have done me proud so far.

 

[Nurburgthing.]

*5-minute silence to respect the innocent victim in the background*

Thats him! Thats Special Brew guy they were talking about on Sky News.
Obviously just another disgruntled GT5 player.

 

[Stotty]

Feeling a bit wierd at the moment... life is pretty good personally, yet whenever I put on the TV or the radio I see and hear about the looting and arson and the financial market meltdowns and it depresses me.

I'm no Daily Mail reader, but the British government need to stop these mindless yobbos immediately. If this means sending in the army with battons, tear gas and rubber bullets then so be it. There needs an aggressive response to take out the small number of idiots starting this and shock the hangers on who are just jumping on the band wagon.

Of course it won't look good for the country to the outside World, but the behavior of some parts of our society has become completely unacceptable.

 

[TheCracker]

It was a tinder-box waiting to happen, and i suspect it will continue for some time.

It's exactly the same as the Greek riots in 2008. Young underemployed men, in areas where there's already tension with the police, take to the streets to protest the shooting of a young kid. Things get out of hand.

Whilst there are huge populations of these young disenfranchised under 25 males, where economic situations are grim and looking only grimmer in the foreseeable future, riots like this are going to happen. These people have nothing to loose. The same will and is happening in Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and undoubtedly other countries. It happened all over Britain during the early 80's too for the same reasons.

 

[Famine]

Shooting anyone to kill because of rioting and/or looting is ridiculous.

I'm not likely to be involved in any violence where I live, but if someone kicks my front door in and comes into my house - or tries to set light to it - I will kill them as a first act, to defend my property and my family.


These are cowardly, feral scum. Their acts are governed by mob rule, by "🤬 da police", by smashing society. They deserve to have everything without working towards it and those who have things having worked towards them are rich wankers. Destruction is fun, fire is exciting and nicking stuff is just reward. They rule through fear, aren't afraid of the police (they outnumber the police twenty to one) because they know that the worst the police can do is catch them in a few days' time and their social worker will get them a free lawyer and get them off any charges because of their troubled upbringing. The most important thing in their lives is the cackling consent of their "crew". They talk about "respect", while having no concept of what it means.

The way to break up a pack of animals is fear. Give them something to be afraid of. The dogs are a good start - though no dog handler wants to send his dog into a crowd of people where it stands a high chance of being harmed. Horses are good too - they look a lot more massive and scary close up. Armoured vehicles and water cannon... so-so in an old, web-streeted city like London as they can be outflanked by the network of backstreets. Armed - non-lethal if you prefer - police or soldiers is the way to go - flashbangs, tear gas, riot shields, big 🤬-off sticks, tasers and guns. Take a few of these pathetic little :censored:s down and watch the rest of them scatter.


Of course, this being the UK, we'll have a whole bunch of IPCC and parliamentary reviews over the following 2 years, after which the police will be blamed for every single injury and the officers involved will be dismissed - and by that time anyone actually sentenced to anything as a result of the riots will have been released.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Opportunistic animals, the lot of them.

I can understand their grievances over the shooting of an (allegedly) unarmed man, but some people have just taken things too far.

 

[Spagetti69]

Famine I agree with you.

I wonder if the good decent law abiding citizens might uprise against these thugs and take the law into there own hands.

I live in Cardiff and there's certain areas of our city with tensions.
I wouldn't be surprised to find a few new city's in on the act tonight.

Oh and the England, Holland friendly planned for Wednesday. Call the bloody thing off. How can you expect police to chaperone fans whilst this is kicking off.

 

[boiltheocean]

I can understand their grievances over the shooting of an (allegedly) unarmed man, but some people have just taken things too far.

They aren't grieving, anyone rioting is using that as an excuse just like they use a troubled upbringing as an excuse. Genuine grievers staged a peaceful protest a few days ago.

They should fire job applications at them, it would scare them :censored:less.

 

[Stotty]

I can understand their grievances over the shooting of an (allegedly) unarmed man, but some people have just taken things too far.

Perhaps it could be seen that way in the original disturbances in Tottenham, from those in his community that actually knew him... but this is also happening hundreds of miles away. It opportunistic looting.

The poeple doing it will claim they are from deprived communities, and it's societies fault they have nothing. They want the trappings of a successful life, yet they are prepared to put no effort in to getting these themselves. Their parents clearly haven't disciplined them properly as children, as a result they haven't bothered applying themselves at school so leave with no qualifications and little chance of getting any sort of meaniful employment.

NO one takes any personal responsibility for their actions anymore... it's always someone else's fault, never their own.

 

[Vince_Fiero]

Sorry to bring in very strange arguments.

This seems an uprising of a population against something they see as an injustice = abuse of police power.

What is the difference with uprisings in Tunisia, Syria, Lybia, etc... and why is a violent reaction by the government supported by so many on this forum in this case.

I do see a lot of differences from the Arab revolutions, but I sadly also see a lot of similarities.

 

[dhandeh]

Agree 100% famine.

watching this makes me ashamed, amazed and disgusted.

 

[Famine]

Protesting against an oppressive political regime is one thing - fighting the army alone on the streets when the army patrolling the streets is the norm is protest.

Kids smashing up their own community, stealing from shops, breaking into private houses and setting fire to anything, regardless of who owns it, is a wholly different thing. I wonder how many Libyans ran down Benghazi high street carrying an armful of Blackberrys and PS3 games.


The only thing they have in common is younger people throwing things.

 

[Neal]

I went to bed last night in shock at what I was seeing happen in London and Birmingham and woke up to the news we had riots in Liverpool overnight just 2 miles from my house and about a mile from my brothers house, to say I'm feeling sick is an understatement. There are a couple of people in work who live very close to the police station that was attached and had the yobs running up their streets, their first hand impression of it is horrific and quite terrifying. My initial reaction to this is "Oh my god, they'll be running up my street next" and I'm finding it hard to rationally discount this after watching 4 hours of BBC News last night. I'm not stupid enough to leave my house if this did happen but I'll be putting a massive metal bar by my front door until this dies down.

The 🤬 scumbags who are doing this have seen what they can get away with if they converge in large enough numbers and so far they are proving themselves right. Cameron needs to make a big stand against this and come down on them with the strongest possible force tonight across the UK to show these opportunistic animals they aren't in control. As Famine has said they need the 🤬 scaring out of them.

 

[dhandeh]

I'm hoping for a curfew to be announced, break the curfew and expect to face the consequences.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I wonder if the good decent law abiding citizens might uprise against these thugs and take the law into there own hands.

That's not flirting with danger. That's taking danger out for dinner and a movie, then going back home and getting naked and sweaty.

 

[dhandeh]

That's not flirting with danger. That's taking danger out for dinner and a movie, then going back home and getting naked and sweaty.

I find your flippant comments disgusting.

 

[Famine]

It's already happened - see the Turkish community in Hackney.

 

[homeforsummer]

Young underemployed men

Who ironically, are destroying the businesses that could potentially hire them, if they had bothered to look for jobs rather than roaming the streets in the first place.

It's one of the daft things about it: All they're harming is their own potential livelihoods.

Too many communities expect society to provide for them everything they need on a platter, and use any old excuse for a riot when they don't get it.

 

[TheCracker]

I'm hoping for a curfew to be announced, break the curfew and expect to face the consequences.

Unlike facing the consequences for rioting and looting?

 

[Mark T]

I wonder if the good decent law abiding citizens might uprise against these thugs and take the law into there own hands.

I expect that in London last night there must have been at least 2000 people spread over various areas that were causing the problems. The official number is probably higher but they were spread across small groups roaming high streets.

There's only so much people are willing to stand for, the riots on the first day of the shooting were bad, then there was another burst the next night and last night was just full on looting and the worst to date. If it gets worse tonight people will start to defend there homes and businesses and they're either going to kill one of the looters or get killed themselves.

The last thing the government wants is open running battles on the streets. These looters won't hesitate to break into homes, they don't care who's living there and who they hurt.

They need to bring in military units to the Hackney and Clapham areas where looting was particularly bad. They need to have a heavy handed approach, rounding up the looters and taking them away from the scene. Chasing them down the street for them to return again with more missiles doesn't achieve anything, it's just a game of cat and mouse.

If they don't do this now other cities will have similar problems, particularly Manchester, Newcastle, Nottingham, Birmingham, Leeds and Luton.

 

[dhandeh]

Unlike facing the consequences for rioting and looting?

If they knew there would be consequences, they wouldnt be doing this now.

They need to get the people just watching out the way, the idiots won't have their big groups, will be less in control, and the police hopefully more so.

 

[spunwicked]

I hope action is taken to correct this situation and swiftly, it's spreading like wildfire. I have a pregnant missus at home and I honestly don't feel like I should be at work today just in case.

Precautionary nationwide curfews would not be a bad idea. This needs sorting before it turns into some kind of full on civil war between the people and the establishment.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I find your flippant comments disgusting.

Find it however you want. It is what it is. Calling for law-abiding citizens to rise up against the rioters and take the law into their own hands is only going to make things worse. Considerably worse. So far, there have thankfully been no deaths. But if law-abiding citizens start gettign involved, there will be a body count.

 

[dhandeh]

Find it however you want. It is what it is. Calling for law-abiding citizens to rise up against the rioters and take the law into their own hands is only going to make things worse. Considerably worse. So far, there have thankfully been no deaths. But if law-abiding citizens start gettign involved, there will be a body count.

So why didn't you put it across like that the first time?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Because it was obvious.

 

[E28]

Famine I agree with you.

I wonder if the good decent law abiding citizens might uprise against these thugs and take the law into there own hands.

I live in Cardiff and there's certain areas of our city with tensions.
I wouldn't be surprised to find a few new city's in on the act tonight.

Oh and the England, Holland friendly planned for Wednesday. Call the bloody thing off. How can you expect police to chaperone fans whilst this is kicking off.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are going to more riots in other cities.

My personal solution, send a bunch of tanks in. Scare the 🤬 out of those pathetic little yobbos.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

They aren't grieving

The definition of "grievance" is not the same as that of "grieving". To have a grievance against someone is to have an issue with them.