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Jean Charles must be LOLing in heaven rite now.
London and England riots
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Morning peeps. Thankfully London was amazingly quite last night by the look of things. Sorry to hear about the other areas still having trouble. Personally I'm putting the quite night down to the Enfield Vigilante Squad! 
My personal favourite quote of yesterday has to be "You wanna come and riot? WE'LL RIOT YOU!".
Magic.
You really are something else.
My personal favourite quote of yesterday has to be "You wanna come and riot? WE'LL RIOT YOU!".Magic.
You really are something else.
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Sorry sir, but I can't let you do this.
In all seriousness though, racism is not right, saying you want to send "all those blacks back to Africa" is racist, and if you really really really have a problem with the black population, then you have nothing but white people to blame for it.
In all on-topicness though, I'm glad to see people finally coming out and defending their neighborhoods now. Remember, gas powered air-soft guns with metal BB's will do some serious damage. I know that's what I would be using to defend my house if this ever happened here.
This has gone past just rioting, or looting, now it's all out war. Especially since these people are armed extremely well. Call in the military, and start taking these people out. If they start targeting and injuring innocent people, it's time to use deadly force, no matter how morally wrong it is, there is just one part of me that wants these people done with hard justice. I think it's the South in me.
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I'm sorry, but it's not all out war. If this was during term time or raining then I doubt this would have kicked off like it did. It's already slowing down. The vast majority of those being arrested are between 10(!) and 20 years old (London Met statement) - why would you want to open fire on kids?
Brilliantly put, another one from me 👍
On local radio this morning I heard an interview with one of the yobs in Manchester who was being asked why he was doing this. He didn't mention anything about a gangster in London being shot and said it was nothing to do with a protest against society or the government. His only reason for rioting was that the government and police couldn't stop the rioting and until they could he would carry on doing it and if he was caught it would be his first offence so he knew would go unpunished. They're doing it for fun because they think they can get away with it which is what most people thought from day one.
Hopefully the overwhelming majority of the UK who are law abiding decent people will insist that all these scumbags are punished as severely as possible under current laws and that going forward the laws are changed so that antisocial and criminal actions are policed and punished regardless of age so that young people grow up with a sense of respect.
There was trouble again in Liverpool last night although it was contained to a small area in Wavertree around Smithdown Road and Lawrence Road but while the fire service were extinguishing burning cars they were attacked injuring two fire men and damaging six fire engines. Attacking the emergency services who are trying to deal with the mess created by these yobs is so despicable it's hard to believe. Part of the reason there was much less trouble in Liverpool last night is because groups from the community were out on the streets talking to young people and telling them to go home.
Manchester and Birmingham were hit particularly hard last night and three men were run over by a car and killed in Birmingham trying to protect their property. Very sad.
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I'm not getting this, are politicians not shaping society?
I do think a clear conclusion is:
1) Everyone is responsible for their acts, they should be made concious of it!
2) There is a responsibility of society (mostly directed by politics, the legal system, media, etc...) to make clear to people:
it is the initiative of the individuals that makes a country great, not the few that govern.
I'm gaining faith with these kind of proposed solutions.
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It seems to be fizzling out a bit now, in London at least. The predicted "big kick-off" in Liverpool just didn't happen last night. There was a bit of trouble but nothing worth talking about
Manchester and Salford seemed to get it worst... I was quite pleased to see Salford Precinct being attacked though, it's a ****hole. The MP for Salford made a lot of sense this morning, she was saying that this was people trashing their own neighbourhood and most of them "are known to police already" i.e. it's just local scrotes being scrotes locally.
Have to echo what the Chief Constable of GMP said as well: this isn't some political thing, there's no real grievance here, there has been no spark to set it all off, it's just opportunist scum taking advantage of the situation to go on the rob. It's not about race, poverty, lack of social mobility... it's about greed, it's because the have-nots want to take from the haves, it's because people think they should get the lifestyles they see the hard working enjoy without doing any hard work, it's because of a lack of discipline, it's because we are into second and third generations of jobless, ill-educated scroungers who think they are entitled to get what they want without haven't to do anything to get it.
It's also about a bunch of muppets being too stupid to realise that what they will be harmed most by their actions - they might have a big TV now, but they will have less prospects because there is one less shop in their area to employ them or their friends. They're driving away investment and the opportunities that they claim they haven't had so far. They're so stupid and blind to reality that they've just gone and ... well... p!ssed on their own chips.
Quite pleased to see the amount of people coming out to defend their areas or clean up once the ********s have had their "fun".
It's going to rain a fair bit today, so I doubt much more will happen in the north west.
Manchester and Salford seemed to get it worst... I was quite pleased to see Salford Precinct being attacked though, it's a ****hole. The MP for Salford made a lot of sense this morning, she was saying that this was people trashing their own neighbourhood and most of them "are known to police already" i.e. it's just local scrotes being scrotes locally.
Have to echo what the Chief Constable of GMP said as well: this isn't some political thing, there's no real grievance here, there has been no spark to set it all off, it's just opportunist scum taking advantage of the situation to go on the rob. It's not about race, poverty, lack of social mobility... it's about greed, it's because the have-nots want to take from the haves, it's because people think they should get the lifestyles they see the hard working enjoy without doing any hard work, it's because of a lack of discipline, it's because we are into second and third generations of jobless, ill-educated scroungers who think they are entitled to get what they want without haven't to do anything to get it.
It's also about a bunch of muppets being too stupid to realise that what they will be harmed most by their actions - they might have a big TV now, but they will have less prospects because there is one less shop in their area to employ them or their friends. They're driving away investment and the opportunities that they claim they haven't had so far. They're so stupid and blind to reality that they've just gone and ... well... p!ssed on their own chips.
Quite pleased to see the amount of people coming out to defend their areas or clean up once the ********s have had their "fun".
It's going to rain a fair bit today, so I doubt much more will happen in the north west.
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Have you got a link to that Yahoo quote Mog? I'd like to link someone to it rather than copy and pasting all the text from here (facebook discussions can get quite large if I do that...).
Have to say, I'm proud of the attitude that's being shown against the rioters. Get the feeling that the public is finally fed up with all of this crap and it gives me a feeling of people finally taking a stand. Proud of the North East too - no trouble up there, even the scummiest of scumbags seem to have pride for their towns and cities. People are happy going out and getting mortal every night resulting in arrest, but they're damned if they're going to let people burn out their drinking holes.
No. People are, and people always have. Politicians, like police, are now so scared to make any major decisions because they're so afraid of upsetting groups from all around society that nothing ever really gets done.
It's the people who have been shaping decisions for good or bad for a long time now, and that to me absolves the government of responsibility in situations like this. They have responsibility to help bring it under control, but the cause of the riots wasn't of their doing.
It's absolutely no different from much of the root cause behind the credit crisis. The banks were borrowing more than they could afford, but so were the individuals.
There's one thing losing your job and finding yourself in financial problems, it's another thing living beyond your means, getting into massive debt and then complaining at the government that they should have done more to stop it being so easy to get into debt. There's an underlying stupidity to much of our society and a belief that the state should sort all of their problems out, rather than individuals shutting up, stopping being stupid and becoming accountable for their own actions.
Have to say, I'm proud of the attitude that's being shown against the rioters. Get the feeling that the public is finally fed up with all of this crap and it gives me a feeling of people finally taking a stand. Proud of the North East too - no trouble up there, even the scummiest of scumbags seem to have pride for their towns and cities. People are happy going out and getting mortal every night resulting in arrest, but they're damned if they're going to let people burn out their drinking holes.
No. People are, and people always have. Politicians, like police, are now so scared to make any major decisions because they're so afraid of upsetting groups from all around society that nothing ever really gets done.
It's the people who have been shaping decisions for good or bad for a long time now, and that to me absolves the government of responsibility in situations like this. They have responsibility to help bring it under control, but the cause of the riots wasn't of their doing.
It's absolutely no different from much of the root cause behind the credit crisis. The banks were borrowing more than they could afford, but so were the individuals.
There's one thing losing your job and finding yourself in financial problems, it's another thing living beyond your means, getting into massive debt and then complaining at the government that they should have done more to stop it being so easy to get into debt. There's an underlying stupidity to much of our society and a belief that the state should sort all of their problems out, rather than individuals shutting up, stopping being stupid and becoming accountable for their own actions.
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Well, at least the police have got a load of new fingerprints on record as it's mandatory when you get arrested. I presume they'll be matching them up with previous unsolved crimes on record. I have a feeling some of those arrested over the past few days are in for some bad news.
You've got to laugh at the intelligence levels here.
You've got to laugh at the intelligence levels here.
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Just to clarify a couple of things for people in the thread here.....
1) We couldn't call in the army, send in the troops, or rally round the national guard or whatever, as they are ALL in Afghanistan. ALL OF THEM. Including reserve forces.
2) It's been dry here since Saturday when the rioting started, but it's going to rain again as usual starting today, in fact it already is.
Rain = No rioting, Hoodies will get wet.
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1) We couldn't call in the army, send in the troops, or rally round the national guard or whatever, as they are ALL in Afghanistan. ALL OF THEM. Including reserve forces.
2) It's been dry here since Saturday when the rioting started, but it's going to rain again as usual starting today, in fact it already is.
Rain = No rioting, Hoodies will get wet.
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Just to clarify a couple of things for people in the thread here.....
1) We couldn't call in the army, send in the troops, or rally round the national guard or whatever, as they are ALL in Afghanistan. ALL OF, THEM. Including reserve forces.
2) It's been dry here since Saturday when the rioting started, but it's going to rain again as usual starting today, in fact it already is.
Rain = No rioting, Hoodies will get wet.
1,No they are not. I work at an army base, and can assure you they aren't all in Afghanistan. If you think that 110,000 regular and 35,000 TA troops are all in Afghanistan, then I suggest you stop reading the Daily Mail.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/sep/21/afghanistan-troop-numbers-nato-data
This says there are around 9,500 in Afghanistan currently.
2, It's August, it never rains in August!
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Just to clarify a couple of things for people in the thread here.....
1) We couldn't call in the army, send in the troops, or rally round the national guard or whatever, as they are ALL in Afghanistan. ALL OF THEM. Including reserve forces.
The majority of our soldiers are sat in bases getting much deserved break from their 6 month tour that could have been more than a year ago. I don't begrudge them having this respite, but they are available for civil control duties and as I mentioned a day or so ago, many are eager to get involved, they didn't lose friends and colleagues in Afghanistan to see this crap go on at home.
[EDIT] And I can't help think that if more people in the UK had atleast airguns there would be alot of limping looters going around.
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This happened with fire men and PARAMEDICS! during the Vancouver riots 2 months ago too. Have people lost their minds? Can't believe how long this is going on.... Here's to hoping for a calm and peaceful night and hoping everyone is now tired and will just stay home.
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Normally yes, but they're being used to hide their identity.
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