London and England riots

[PeterJB]

Probably wouldn't be able to get there anyway, since every bus and car in London has been torched...

 

[Captain Roh]

BBM surfacing in Brum already.

Did you click the link in your own sig lately? 👍

 

[Clark]

Yeah I know the guy's YouTube accound got shut down. Can't be bothered to changed it.
/offtopic

 

[Keef]

Where are all the pics and videos people, I wanna see what's going on! Is it getting better, worse? In that video above the narrator stated that the more police arrive, the worse the rioters get. This is ridiculous, it's not even November 5th yet.

 

[dhandeh]

The three people killed in Birmingham weren't rioters - they were standing outside their property to protect it and someone drove a car at them.

If anyone's going up to Birmingham to riot on behalf of three men trying to prevent damage due to riots, they're dumber even than Basmati Rice man.

Hopefully when 'uncle ben' gets caught and sentenced, I'm aware of it. Hopefully, he gets 6months in prison for rice that would have cost a pound.

For those that haven't seen him.

 

[boiltheocean]

Where are all the pics and videos people, I wanna see what's going on!

Linky. Also check the BBC or The Guardian websites, they seem to be the most active for news coverage.

 

[homeforsummer]

I do not agree with this, but that is just my view. That scumbags kick off is a clear signal; because they do not have a clear sense of belonging, which is a failure of society.

I disagree. They're doing it because they can get away with it - nothing more. It's no different from people who are perfectly well off, but still shoplift. I've worked with people like that before and it's nothing to do with their upbringing or personal circumstances - some people just have no scruples about their impact on society.

Education: this is a lot more then school, it includes that people should be happy with what they have and not envy others that have more. Also what your parents teach you (read Famine's input a page back)

I agree, but actual schooling gives people an opportunity to improve themselves, and there's no excuse for not using a free system. You're right though, the parents have to encourage their kids - but then they probably didn't go to school either.

Protection, against debts: you can see this on different levels, but some people should be protected from their stupidity, not because of the people themselves, but because of the instability this creates in the business they have the debt with, the issues it creates for the rest of the family or direct contacts of those persons. I know that I'm a lot against the freedom of speach, in my view misleading speach (manipulation) is insufficiently recognised by some as a crime.

Again I agree that debt has further reaching problems than the individuals involved, and in an ideal world there would be a system in place to stop people getting into debt, but that would require a paradigm shift in culture and I don't see it happening. Some people will always be stupid enough to live beyond their means.

help: when people do not get out of issues, support should be there. I agree I would prefer this is a voluntary service in the community and governments do not have to be involved. It does not work this way in the world I know though.

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entertainment: part of the reason that these riots happen is that people are not entertained, part of why my tax money went (in Luxembourg this is less relevant) into police protection against hooligans, is that football is a form of entertainment that keeps people happy. The best form of entertainment for me would be that people do community service and have a real sence of community, e.g. church used to organise this, still does in some communities. The last thing we need is the government handing out "entertainment checks" or something similar, that is not something I believe in.

There's an element of people rioting for entertainment but I disagree that it's as a result of a lack of entertainment. Apart from anything, football is huge in this country, but of course England is well known for it's football hooligans too, which is rather proof that even when people are offered entertainment, their built-in violence takes over in the form of partisan support.

Wouldn't surprise me if many of our football hooligans have also been involved in the rioting. I can't see the average football punter throwing bins through corner shop windows and nicking booze but I can certainly see the sort of scrotes who kick off at football games contributing to the violence of the last few days.

I know that's only one example but again - I think it's pathological. Provided with entertainment or not they're still going to act like worthless scumbags.

 

[Touring Mars]

No disrespect intended, but anyone watching the news this week would consider that proposal a fantasy.

It was not so much a proposal as an observation. Without respect for other people and shared values, society breaks down.

 

[homeforsummer]

It was not so much a proposal as an observation. Without respect for other people and shared values, society breaks down.

Quite. Note how Japanese society hasn't broken down following the earthquake, and people are even sacrificing themselves for the good of the greater community by helping to decontaminate Fukushima. Above and beyond the call of duty with regard to shared values and respect for others.

The behaviour of some people in our country makes me spit when you consider what other countries can be like.

 

[Famine]

It was not so much a proposal as an observation. Without respect for other people and shared values, society breaks down.

Which is what individualism in particular and libertarianism in general promote. It's often misrepresented as an "I'm alright, Jack" mindset, but that's not the case. A tosspot smashing into a Richer Sounds and buggering off with a £6k of Harmann-Kardon kit isn't being Individualist just because he's acting on his own impulses.

By teaching individuals real values and rights, not hokey ones like the "right" to high-speed internet access, they respect others' as an extension of their own. Individualists will help others out* because they want to - and I expect they'd like help when they need it, and other individualists will do it - not because they have to.


*I'm sure some won't, but then there's always one of those people in every crowd.

 

[dhandeh]

It was not so much a proposal as an observation. Without respect for other people and shared values, society breaks down.

I think these people are beyond help. The only people that has failed them is their parents and themselves. And with most things, the last person to blame is always yourself. They have no interest in general society, and won't respect anyone else for as long as they have a hole in their ass. The sooner they get rounded up and sent to prison, the better.

 

[Dotini]

In many ways, this episode represents the limits of individualism, and demonstrates the need for society to work on the basis of mutual respect and shared values.

Here and there, people of mutual respect and shared values are beginning to experiment with and implement community developments of various kinds. This represents a partial rejection of modern society, politics, economics and in some cases even technology.

We are all familiar with 19th century utopian movements, Amish culture, and the hippy communes of the 60's and 70's. But I am talking about something new and not yet on the MSM radar set. When modern people begin to reject a corrupted civilization and revert to building small, sustainable farming communities with associated villages, work-shops, by-laws and taxation authority, it may be dismissed as a consensual delusion, or embraced as a revolutionary vision, take your choice of a straw in the wind at this time.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

 

[tw99]

Looting = should be shot on sight.



The end.

 

[dhandeh]

Here and there, people of mutual respect and shared values are beginning to experiment with and implement community developments of various kinds. This represents a partial rejection of modern society, politics, economics and in some cases even technology.

We are all familiar with 19th century utopian movements, Amish culture, and the hippy communes of the 60's and 70's. But I am talking about something new and not yet on the MSM radar set. When modern people begin to reject a corrupted civilization and revert to building small, sustainable farming communities with associated villages, work-shops, by-laws and taxation authority, it may be dismissed as a consensual delusion, or embraced as a revolutionary vision, take your choice of a straw in the wind at this time.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

Then these idiots want a bit of this idyllic scenario and then help themselves, While the walton's just watch on.

 

[Sam48]

Looting = should be shot on sight.



The end.

Sarcasm much? That's not even legal in the US, let alone the UK. Maybe you could with rubber bullets, but you can't legally kill someone for stealing.

 

[stig's helmet]

RIP to the 3 who died in a hit and run near Birmingham.

As for today only one small group in the centre and they've calmed down, looking up now surely.

 

[Neal]

And now for some good news.

PSP Stolen By Rioters To Be Replaced By SCEE

A video of injured Malaysian student*Ashraf Haziq being helped to his feet by rioters, before being robbed of his*possessions, has been shown all over UK news. Even Prime Minister David Cameron referenced the shocking images in a speech he made at Downing Street today.

The 20 year old, who is suffering from a broken jaw in hospital, had his PSP stolen from his backpack. A site dedicated to Ashraf Haziq has appeared asking the public to*”do something nice” for him.

One of the comments to appear is from*SCEE Marketing Director Alan Duncan, who said that the company wishes to donate a brand new PSP with games to the student.

With all the disturbing images of young people rioting in several cities around the UK, it gives us a warm feeling inside that the public want to help those that have become innocent victims of these horrendous crimes.

 

[Touring Mars]

Quite. Note how Japanese society hasn't broken down following the earthquake, and people are even sacrificing themselves for the good of the greater community by helping to decontaminate Fukushima. Above and beyond the call of duty with regard to shared values and respect for others.

The behaviour of some people in our country makes me spit when you consider what other countries can be like.

Yeh. It's actually embarrassing to see what is happening in other countries right now - Japan, Somalia, Libya, Syria etc. - and to watch how these people are behaving in the face of tremendous adversities, and then to see how our so-called 'first world' citizens choose to behave, in spite of the freedoms and peace that they obviously take for granted. It's absolutely sickening.

Which is what individualism in particular and libertarianism in general promote. It's often misrepresented as an "I'm alright, Jack" mindset, but that's not the case.

By teaching individuals real values and rights, not hokey ones like the "right" to high-speed internet access, they respect others' as an extension of their own.

Clearly, it's the 'teaching' bit that has to be addressed urgently. Without proper guidance, it is little wonder that so many young people are growing up with the wrong type of 'individualism' in their heads, as opposed to the way you define it, which should (in principle at least) lead to a cohesive society.

Here and there, people of mutual respect and shared values are beginning to experiment with and implement community developments of various kinds. This represents a partial rejection of modern society, politics, economics and in some cases even technology.

We are all familiar with 19th century utopian movements, Amish culture, and the hippy communes of the 60's and 70's. But I am talking about something new and not yet on the MSM radar set. When modern people begin to reject a corrupted civilization and revert to building small, sustainable farming communities with associated villages, work-shops, by-laws and taxation authority, it may be dismissed as a consensual delusion, or embraced as a revolutionary vision, take your choice of a straw in the wind at this time.

Respectfully submitted,
Steve

This is not a revolution - it's not a principled stand against anything in particular, but more like a reaction caused by generations of neglect IMO. The sad thing is, when the dust settles, I fear we will all be worse off. The enormity of what is happening this week cannot rightly be overstated. When such vast numbers are demonstrating that individual responsibility can be so blatantly abandoned - at the cost of tearing apart the lives and livelihoods of law-abiding citizens - it is nigh on inevitable that we'll all be left with the bill: more restrictions on our freedoms, and more draconian laws to deal with the small minority (but still a vast number) of those who refuse to respect others.

And now for some good news.

Bloody opportunists - nothing like a bit of good PR [/cynic]

Nah, that's great 👍 Good old SCEE

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

RIP to the 3 who died in a hit and run near Birmingham.

As for today only one small group in the centre and they've calmed down, looking up now surely.

Not looking up at all here in Birmingham, its expected that groups such as the BNP and EDL as well as Zulu's (Birmingham City hooligans) will turn up in the city centre in a reaction to those 3 men killed, unfortunately I predict there'll be more violence and possible deaths now gunfire is becoming part of this.

 

[Famine]

Clearly, it's the 'teaching' bit that has to be addressed urgently. Without proper guidance, it is little wonder that so many young people are growing up with the wrong type of 'individualism' in their heads, as opposed to the way you define it, which should (in principle at least) lead to a cohesive society.

As I said, parents and educators alike - through laziness or not knowing any better in the case of the former and through failure and procedure in the latter - are teaching kids that they can do what they want with impugnity and stuff everyone else. The "rights" they are taught are conflicting at best and hokum at worst and responsibilities of those rights don't even make it in there - my dogs have a better understanding of how they should be treated and how they should treat others than these scum do, and they actually are animals.

Even a pot of mustard can comprehend that if your rights say you may not be harmed against your will, you may not harm others against their will either - a right and a responsibility of that right. So long as society is teaching kids that they have a right to the products of and labours of other people, we'll never get out of this hole where people genuinely believe they deserve things without any effort on their behalf - where "rights" convey no responsibility at all.

 

[tw99]

Sarcasm much? That's not even legal in the US, let alone the UK. Maybe you could with rubber bullets, but you can't legally kill someone for stealing.

No sarcasm.

Looting = Shot them on sight by Police or owner or anyone really. Set an example, most of the ***** on the street are there to steal and set **** on fire they are not there for any cause or rights or change. They are there to steal break and burn and set the country few years back.

**** if I was in charge I open fire on all these ****ers.

We got raped by our banks and corrupt governments, unemployment and homelessness through the roof, lot of people lost everything and people did nothing. Now this happened and suddenly everyone is pissed off. Shows how intelligent these assholes really are.

 

[dhandeh]

There you go ^^^^^

Dignity and respect.

 

[Garagiste]

Dead easy way to get this sorted - it's August. Nobody needs a hood up so arrest anybody hooded.

 

[stig's helmet]

Not looking up at all here in Birmingham, its expected that groups such as the BNP and EDL as well as Zulu's (Birmingham City hooligans) will turn up in the city centre in a reaction to those 3 men killed, unfortunately I predict there'll be more violence and possible deaths now gunfire is becoming part of this.

The 'Zulus' were meant to be teaming up with the 'Hardcore' but neither fans probably have the best interest.

As for the other stuff it's all rumors mate, nothing has happened today.

 

[Sam48]

No sarcasm.

Looting = Shot them on sight by Police or owner or anyone really. Set an example, most of the ***** on the street are there to steal and set **** on fire they are not there for any cause or rights or change. They are there to steal break and burn and set the country few years back.

**** if I was in charge I open fire on all these ****ers.

We got raped by our banks and corrupt governments, unemployment and homelessness through the roof, lot of people lost everything and people did nothing. Now this happened and suddenly everyone is pissed off. Shows how intelligent these assholes really are.

Sounds like Libya. I don't want to see Britain, a highly civilized country (well, at least it used to be) opening fire on its own citizens unless the police themselves are threatened.

Why not just tase them?

 

[Joel]

Pic comparing Japan and "America" and Europe.

Just FYI, those pics up there are from Vancouver, which is in Canada, not America. And they didn't lose a "hockey fight", they lost in the last game of the Stanley Cup finals, in humiliating fashion. (Not saying that's a good reason to loot and riot either.)

 

[Touring Mars]

Sounds like Libya. I don't want to see Britain, a highly civilized country (well, at least it used to be) opening fire on its own citizens unless the police themselves are threatened.

The police (and the general public) are being threatened and are being attacked - three dead in a hit and run, one dead in a shooting, another critical after a savage beating, thugs armed with knifes, machetes, bricks and petrol bombs (multiple incidences of each), people setting fire to private residences with no regard at all for who is inside... this is what the police have to face. The police have every right, nay, a duty to stop these people with whatever force necessary. Being the UK police, they will attempt to use non-lethal force whenever possible - but it is not always possible, or appropriate.

Those utter hypocrites in Libya and Iran who have the sheer temerity to criticise the UK government and the police for attempting to restore order (as opposed to what they are doing themselves i.e. murdering innocent, peaceful civilians) can, with all due respect, 🤬 right off.

 

[Moglet]

Did I hear correctly that a Scottish celebrity said this morning "Actually, this isn't the UK rioting, it's England"

Tit. He may be right but what was the need for that?

 

[Touring Mars]

Did I hear correctly that a Scottish celebrity said this morning "This isn't the UK rioting, it's England"

Tit.

To be fair, it is England - not the UK.

 

[Moglet]

To be fair, it is England - not the UK.

It is, but that's hardly the kind of thing to go saying considering what is happening out there. Especially as it could very easily hit Scotland or anywhere else without warning.