London and England riots
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Unofficial statement from a mate of mine in the Met:
"We can't arrest everyone because you'd run out of police and cells. We can't go in heavy-handed because we get blamed for excessive force. All we can do is make sure people don't die and gather as much evidence as we can."
"We can't arrest everyone because you'd run out of police and cells. We can't go in heavy-handed because we get blamed for excessive force. All we can do is make sure people don't die and gather as much evidence as we can."
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I dont think so, this very small miniority of din's would run a mile if the army turned up. And the rest of the nation would support that to restore law and order, because at the moment the Police cant and havent done anything to limit this.
A civil war would be if the majority were in support of these idiots.
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Unfortunately your mate is right and it was proved by that recent event, the suggestion of a curfew was to get around this but I doubt it would remove full accountability.
I really feel for anyone caught up in this. I was 4 when the Toxteth riots happened a couple of miles from my house and even though I was so young I was scared and still remember it fairly well.
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The definition of "excessive force" would be more force than is necessary. In this situation there is clearly no where near enough force. The situation is that basically everyone with a propensity to violence and/or theft is taking this chance to shoal together and take/damage whatever they like in the safety of the huge numbers. I saw a guy pushing a shopping trolley full of electronics goods up a road in Hackney Wick shouting "go to Curry's everything's free".
We have thousands and thousands of criminals taking to the streets and I for one would like to see them met with force. Just bring in the army, water-cannons, plastic bullets. Bring nets!! There's been like 200 arrests, and there are thousands of people burning our city to the ground and destroying it just for fun.
Innocent people are at great risk of getting hurt or burned alive. I would rather see ten thousand "youths" injured with rubber bullets than a baby die in a fire.
We have thousands and thousands of criminals taking to the streets and I for one would like to see them met with force. Just bring in the army, water-cannons, plastic bullets. Bring nets!! There's been like 200 arrests, and there are thousands of people burning our city to the ground and destroying it just for fun.
Innocent people are at great risk of getting hurt or burned alive. I would rather see ten thousand "youths" injured with rubber bullets than a baby die in a fire.
You don't need a majority to have a civil war I don't imagine. But i'm not sure on that strictly?
The Army should never be against the people, even if they are criminals and idiots and causing a riot or damage. It's only ever for the Police.
If they army came out I would be against them. Just on principle.
You must never control the public with armed forces.
That's exactly what all those dictatorships do in many places around the world.
Armed men are for defence only within the UK.
But I suppose you could debate that they could be posted to defend certain property.
Tricky, as you wouldn't want to set a precedent for army protecting the residing powers when and if the public does need to act against the state.
Anyway I think the Police can deal with it, even if it's retrospectively.
People will end up in prison/curfew/house arrest/fined etc.
I think Towns and Cities should have abilities to exclude prosecuted citizens from entry (judged by a jury). This may already exist.
The Army should never be against the people, even if they are criminals and idiots and causing a riot or damage. It's only ever for the Police.
If they army came out I would be against them. Just on principle.
You must never control the public with armed forces.
That's exactly what all those dictatorships do in many places around the world.
Armed men are for defence only within the UK.
But I suppose you could debate that they could be posted to defend certain property.
Tricky, as you wouldn't want to set a precedent for army protecting the residing powers when and if the public does need to act against the state.
Anyway I think the Police can deal with it, even if it's retrospectively.
People will end up in prison/curfew/house arrest/fined etc.
I think Towns and Cities should have abilities to exclude prosecuted citizens from entry (judged by a jury). This may already exist.
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Yeah, apparently the business-owning members of the Turkish community went and stood outside their stores en masse subtlely holding massive knives. The streaks of piss who form the gangs thought better of it.
Of course on a normal day the Turks would be arrested for possessing offensive weapons. I wonder if we'll see a shift in self-defence laws...
This is the approximate process of what happens when a person is injured by a policeman under any circumstances:
* A complaint is made
* The complaint is referred to the IPCC
* The officer is immediately suspended from duty (on full pay)
* The complaint is investigated - this takes roughly 2 months at a minimum
* If the complaint is dismissed:
- The officer returns to duty
- The complainant seeks civil damages - this process takes another 6 months
- Damages are often awarded without going to court
- The officer has a suspension on his permanent record
* If the complain is upheld
- The officer is dismissed
- The complainant seeks civil damages - this process takes another 6 months
- Damages are often awarded without going to court
If the Met waded in with batons twirling, there'd be an unimaginable slew of complaints, officers suspended and removed from the job on full pay while the complaints are investigated, and the courts would be full to bursting with civil damage claims.
As it is, they're sending in the dogs - dogs don't get prosecuted and there's no-one to pursue damages from (handlers are not held accountable for the acts of their animals), though they can be removed from active duty. There's almost sod all else they can do except sweep up afterwards. Notice the lack of fire engines in Croydon? That's because the police cannot protect them...
Of course on a normal day the Turks would be arrested for possessing offensive weapons. I wonder if we'll see a shift in self-defence laws...
This is the approximate process of what happens when a person is injured by a policeman under any circumstances:
* A complaint is made
* The complaint is referred to the IPCC
* The officer is immediately suspended from duty (on full pay)
* The complaint is investigated - this takes roughly 2 months at a minimum
* If the complaint is dismissed:
- The officer returns to duty
- The complainant seeks civil damages - this process takes another 6 months
- Damages are often awarded without going to court
- The officer has a suspension on his permanent record
* If the complain is upheld
- The officer is dismissed
- The complainant seeks civil damages - this process takes another 6 months
- Damages are often awarded without going to court
If the Met waded in with batons twirling, there'd be an unimaginable slew of complaints, officers suspended and removed from the job on full pay while the complaints are investigated, and the courts would be full to bursting with civil damage claims.
As it is, they're sending in the dogs - dogs don't get prosecuted and there's no-one to pursue damages from (handlers are not held accountable for the acts of their animals), though they can be removed from active duty. There's almost sod all else they can do except sweep up afterwards. Notice the lack of fire engines in Croydon? That's because the police cannot protect them...
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as you've most probably seen in the news.
i just wanted to see if anyone was there and what your views are...
the wierd thing is that i think i recognised one of the people that came on the news steeling
im rather annoyed more than anything i was gonna go town on wednesday and then go to AMC to watch Cars 2 with my mate!
not to mention the fact that i have to go n pick my exam results on the 18th and my bus goes straight through corperation street :s
i just wanted to see if anyone was there and what your views are...
the wierd thing is that i think i recognised one of the people that came on the news steeling
im rather annoyed more than anything i was gonna go town on wednesday and then go to AMC to watch Cars 2 with my mate!
not to mention the fact that i have to go n pick my exam results on the 18th and my bus goes straight through corperation street :s
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