Lots of Games have it Now. Should GT 5 have a Rewind Option?

[turboash78]

I would like to think that I wouldn't use it, but if I'm half a lap to completing a long race and F up for some reason... I might feel the urge.

 

[McLaren]

Quote where I said the affect of rewind was a fact.

If any of you guys were good sim racers, or real life racers, you might undrestand the importance of rhythm. Rewind will never teach the most important thing in racing that is rhythm.

You cant use it online.

Two reasons that render this feature useless. I dont care if its in or not. Those that use it will have no advantage, but they will be at a disadvantage when they choose to race live people.

Right there, genius. You list both paragraphs as 2 reasons that make this feature "useless". You "support" your "reasons" by stating at the end it will make people disadvantaged online.

You then went on stating that that was fact, that rewind won't teach rhythm, and that people will become disadvantaged due so. That was the sum of word.

 

[RedSuinit]

Right there, genius. You list both paragraphs as 2 reasons that make this feature "useless". You "support" your "reasons" by stating at the end it will make people disadvantaged online.

You then went on stating that that was fact, that rewind won't teach rhythm, and that people will become disadvantaged due so. That was the sum of word.

McLaren, I don't think you are changing his mind. Perhaps it's time to just let it go?

 

[Organ-Donor]

McLaren, I don't think you are changing his mind. Perhaps it's time to just let it go?

Maybe this topic should be let go too, its being beaten to death and the poll results clearly show the majority of people wouldn't want a rewind feature in GT5.

 

[IsmokeGT]

You say rewind would prevent people from learning rhythm.

I didn't say you said prevent in that entire post.

These two quotes exemplify the type of intellect I am working with...

 

[IsmokeGT]

Right there, genius. You list both paragraphs as 2 reasons that make this feature "useless". You "support" your "reasons" by stating at the end it will make people disadvantaged online.

You then went on stating that that was fact, that rewind won't teach rhythm, and that people will become disadvantaged due so. That was the sum of word.

More exemplification of the intellect, or lack there of, I am working with.

I said rhythm and the ability to recover were facts of being a good racer.

 

[Exorcet]

Post 824 and post 833 are different posts

 

[McLaren]

McLaren, I don't think you are changing his mind. Perhaps it's time to just let it go?

Perhaps so. At this point, I'm not the only person who has showed him he hasn't posted 100% fact as he claims everything out of his fingers is.

Ah well, back to some work.

More exemplification of the intellect, or lack there of, I am working with.

I said rhythm and the ability to recover were facts of being a good racer.

This is a decent attempt at trying to make yourself sound smarter, but you're not. You're changing your story now, and just repeating yourself. Classic first signs of someone running out of anything debate-worthy.

Thus, enough a point for me to stop, because I doubt you'll bring anything more to the discussion.

 

[RedSuinit]

Perhaps so. At this point, I'm not the only person who has showed him he hasn't posted 100% fact as he claims everything out of his fingers is.

Ah well, back to some work.

This is a decent attempt at trying to make yourself sound smarter, but you're not. You're changing your story now, and just repeating yourself. Classic first signs of someone running out of anything debate-worthy.

I know what you mean.

 

[IsmokeGT]

How bad did you guys fail reading comprehension to not understand this?

Being able to recover quickly, and rhythm are both important. You saying they arent proves how ignorant you are to the art of racing.

Post 824 and post 833 are different posts

So what????? You said it! Then, you said you didnt


There is no debate! you guys are saying I said stuff I didnt, but yet you cant quote where I said what you say I said. Find it already.

 

[JDMLOVER]

Further more, a lot of GT fans want damage. What would be the point of paying for the consequences with damage, if you're just going to undo them when you slam into a wall from going too fast.

No rewind for me. Even if it's implemented, gamers should be able to expel this option completely by turning off, so it is never displayed in the race. I don't care if it's in the game or not, but they should have an option to turn it off completely. It's then that I will be happy. It's no biggie.

 

[Lucas]

More exemplification of the intellect, or lack there of, I am working with.

I said rhythm and the ability to recover were facts of being a good racer.

Before acting like you are smarter than other members, answer me this: are you sure you didn't say that? Continue reading:

Anyways, rewind feature will not teach either of these 2 important aspects of racing. (More facts)

A fact it certainly is not, there nothing that is more clearly an opinion. I don't see a response to my first post against this opinion, but I'll look again.

It is a fact.

Now I ask you again: Are you sure you didn't?

 

[McLaren]

How bad did you guys fail reading comprehension to not understand this?

There is no debate! you guys are saying I said stuff I didnt, but yet you cant quote where I said what you say I said. Find it already.

We never said it didn't. What we did say is that you can't prove rewind is affects such things.

And yes, I did point it out, just above. As said, you're repeating yourself.

 

[Exorcet]

Because what I said was that I didn't say it in post 833, and that's a fact. Post 833 was to satisfy your accusation that I was wrong to say you said "prevent". You have nothing to complain about.

You saying they arent proves how ignorant you are to the art of racing.

Can't speak for anyone else, but you'll notice I never said that.

 

[IsmokeGT]

I said this

I wont know if you use rewind online

So what do you think I meant by this?

Both examples are true, not only to GT/sims but to real life also.
.

I admitted you cant tell if someone uses the rewind feature online. That line negates you saying I am trying to prove anything, except that "the ability to recover and rhythm" are factual. Not to mention I have said what I said was factual over, and over.

Understand? You guys should remember what others say.

The quote in the above post proves my point also-"You saying they arent proves how ignorant you are to the art of racing." Do you think "they" is refering to the affect of rewind?

 

[Exorcet]

I said this

So what do you think I meant by this?


I admitted you cant tell if someone uses the rewind feature online.

Besides the point, we get you said you couldn't tell if someone does/doesn't rewind. The problem is, you claimed someone rewinding won't be as good as someone who doesn't in a given time. You don't know that.


"...I know you wont be as good as me with the same amount of play time..."

That is the problem. You don't know that.

That line negates you saying I am trying to prove anything, except that "the ability to recover and rhythm" are factual. Not to mention I have said what I said was factual over, and over.

Understand? You guys should remember what others say.

The quote in the above post proves my point also-"You saying they arent proves how ignorant you are to the art of racing." Do you think "they" is refering to the affect of rewind?

BOLD is me

I took they to mean rhythm and recovery.

 

[RedSuinit]

If any of you guys were good sim racers, or real life racers, you might undrestand the importance of rhythm. Rewind will never teach the most important thing in racing that is rhythm. *1

You cant use it online.

Two reasons that render this feature useless. I dont care if its in or not. Those that use it will have no advantage, but they will be at a disadvantage when they choose to race live people. *2

I GAVE PROOF.

Here is more proof- You mess up and cant recover quickly.
Plus you will never have rhythm? You will never do 20 fast laps.

Since you depend on rewind, you dont have rhythm to keep you going fast, and you dont know how to recover quickly. You will have no chance at being good. *3 This is the entire context, and it clearly implies that if you rely on rewind you will not learn how to recover quickly or establish rhythm, and that it will prevent you from becoming a good racer.

You took my words out of context...

I wont know if you use rewind online, but I know you wont be as good as me with the same amount of play time. *4

I gave two examples of why it is true. Both examples are true, not only to GT/sims but to real life also.

I will be arrogant now- I guarantee I am better than any one of you, or all of you combined.

You stop. Both are FACT!

Being able to recover quickly, and rhythm are both important. *5 You saying they arent proves how ignorant you are to the art of racing.

Yulp, you proved it.

I posted two facts to your none. (1 more fact in my favor, now 3 to 0)

Nothing was taken out of context.

AND I never said they will never be good, go read again. *6 which conflicts with *3 when you read *3 in context.

More facts in my favor. You guys are getting beat (just like on the track)

"You will have no chance at being good." was directed at Mclaren, not everyone that uses the feature. *7 your attempt to undo the fact that you contradicted yourself between *6 and *3 when clearly *3 is now being taken out of context by yourself.

3 : the quality of being actual

Yulp, rhythm and recovering quickly are just that.

AUP AUP, I never called anyone a malicious name, like you just did.

And you are wrong. That is the definition of the name you called me.

No, it is a fact. You obviously are not a good racer. Want me to prove it? TT or Race?

edit- 10 minutes and no takers. Thats all it took to shut you two up. Show and prove boys.

Ok, F2007 in a few. Ill send you a message. Good luck 👍

been on PS3 for 20min now... HURRY UP! way past my bedtime. Im down to 6hrs of sleep for tomorrow. 5.5 after the race.

Well, as much as you all disagree, being able to recover from mistakes and rhythm play an intrigal part of racing. *8 No one has disagreed with this statementAsk Suinit.

Almighty factual information reigns from my finger tips. Anyways, rewind feature will not teach either of these 2 important aspects of racing. (More facts)

@ aspect8- whatev

edit- I respect Suinit a lot more now, the rest of you are just wrong.(still)
C you guys later, it is sleepy time on the east coast.

It is a fact.

How can stopping, and rewinding, improve rhythm?

How can rewinding before your mistake improve your ability to recover from mistakes?

the definition of a Fact- 3 : the quality of being actual. Actually stopping will kill your rhythm. Actually never having to recover from mistakes will impede you ability to do so.

Two factual statement that prove a rewind feature will not make you into a good racer.

I did respond to your first response. I told you that you took my words out of context. Not only that, you only quoted half of my sentence. I will not respond any further than I did with such injustice served to my statement of factual information.

You are saying I said stuff that I NEVER said. Quote me...
I said it wont teach you rhythm, but that is far from preventing you from learning rhythm.*9 You are correct here, you never said it would prevent, however it is somewhat implied in *3

Here is a quick lesson- When your first statement is wrong, everything after that statement is wrong. Nobody is going to believe anything you say if the first thing is a lie.

edit- This is unbelievable!!!!

READ!!!! Come on, man. Point out where I say prevent!

"Rewind will never teach the most important thing in racing that is rhythm."

They can not use it!!!!!! Thats how they will learn

"disadvantage when they choose to race live people." Why would I say that??? Maybe because they will be dependent on the rewind feature and they wont be able to recover quickly??? hmmm, I may have meant that. again

Never said that. You are wrong, again.

I never said anything about rearranging quotes, nor miswording me. He said I said something I didnt say. Now, you did the same thing he did.

And what you are saying I said is a fact... I didnt!! You guys suck at this. I said rhythm and ability to recover quickly are needed to be good racers. That is a fact.

I said

and he quoted

"If any of you guys were good sim racers"

That is taking my words out of context.

Quote where I said the affect of rewind was a fact.

I said rhythm and ability to recover were facts of being a good racer. Nothing more.

These two quotes exemplify the type of intellect I am working with...

How bad did you guys fail reading comprehension to not understand this?



So what????? You said it! Then, you said you didnt


There is no debate! you guys are saying I said stuff I didnt, but yet you cant quote where I said what you say I said. Find it already.

I said this

So what do you think I meany by this?


I admitted you cant tell if someone uses the rewind feature online. That line negates you saying I am trying to prove anything, except that "the ability to recover and rhythm" are factual. Not to mention I have said what I said was factual over, and over.

Understand? You guys should remember what others say.

Here is EVERYTHING you have posted in this thread since your first post in here (that I could find). Re-read if for yourself.

 

[IsmokeGT]

Your major flaw is I stated 2 things as fact. Im not typing them again.

"You saying they arent proves how ignorant you are to the art of racing." How does that line relate to me being better at racing online? You even admitted that it indicates the 2 points I state as fact.

*3 was directed at Mclaren, like I said. I say YOU

And Ill say this AGAIN- a feature, even if used, will not prevent the ability to gain in driver ability. Like I said in one of the first post, it will take longer.

*1 and *2 are facts *5 proves what I was saying, and how you all are wrong.

 

[McLaren]

*3 was directed at Mclaren, like I said. I say YOU

But you don't know that. I could easily put in as much time as you, use rewind, and win against you. Anyone could. But you think you know otherwise. You don't, so stop.

And Ill say this AGAIN- a feature, even if used, will not prevent the ability to gain in driver ability. Like I said in one of the first post, it will take longer.

You have no proof of this. As I said already, someone could easily pick up this game, and be very good at it, while using rewind. Rewind doesn't mean you suddenly will take longer to get better. It just doesn't. But once more, you assume to know otherwise, but you're not giving hardcore evidence.

 

[RedSuinit]

Your major flaw is I stated 2 things as fact. Im not typing them again.

"You saying they arent proves how ignorant you are to the art of racing." How does that line relate to me being better at racing online? You even admitted that it indicates the 2 points I state as fact.

*3 was directed at Mclaren, like I said. I say YOU

And Ill say this AGAIN- a feature, even if used, will not prevent the ability to gain in driver ability. Like I said in one of the first post, it will take longer.

*1 and *2 are facts *5 proves what I was saying, and how you all are wrong.

I'm sorry, but no. The clear implication from the first four words in your paragraph is that "You depend on rewind" with "You" meaning anyone who depends on rewind. Resulting in every following "you" meaning anyone who depends on rewind. Also, I have posted everything that you have posted, right there in one convenient post, for everyone to see. Say whatever you want to, but everything is right there. So no amount of, well I meant this, or I meant that, can change what you originally said. Everyone can now read and judge for themselves, because it's all right there for them to see.

EDIT: also your original two facts were *1 and *2, later on your story changed to (right before *3) "Rhythm and being able to recover quickly" were your two stated facts, completely dropping *2.

 

[irnbrutwinturbo]

Nobody actually depends on rewind do they? I hope that was a bad quote, depending on such an aid whilst being a GT fan is very unfortunate.

 

[seraphaze]

I think we need to simplify...

Here's the question -> How do you want it?

A. It would be ok in Practice mode only? -----> i.e. can be used as a self-improvement tool by those who wish to do so.
B. It would be ok in Practice and Arcade modes only? -----> i.e. as above AND can use it in Arcade mode, but only on Easy (AI) level (i.e. for beginners)
C. I just don't wanna see it in GT mode? -------> i.e. can't use it to correct your mistakes in GT mode and win high prize money challenges.
D. I don't want it in any mode? ------> i.e. don't want it as a training tool and not as a helper tool for beginners in Arcarde mode (Easy difficulty setting only).

Please try to give a logical and coherent reason (or reasons) for your choice.

e.g. "D - because it takes away realism" or "C - because then it would be too easy"

 

[RedSuinit]

Ok sooooo, PM's from IsmokeGT, what do you guys think?

His original message.

Ok, ill give up. I know what my point is. You obviously dont get it, that is ok. Rewind will kill your rhythm (you stop and go backwards) and you lose a chance to learn from your mistake (you dont get to experience what to do.) Not facts, but if you think they are remotely true then you have been argueing just for the sake of argueing. I never intended to say that was fact, but it simply is true. C ya

His second message.

I cant even get a response after all the nonsense? I asked 1 simple question. I dont deserve any acknowledgement at all?

My response to his second message.

I cant even get a response after all the nonsense? I asked 1 simple question. I dont deserve any acknowledgement at all?

Hmm...

Ok, ill give up. I know what my point is. You obviously dont get it, that is ok. Rewind will kill your rhythm (you stop and go backwards) and you lose a chance to learn from your mistake (you dont get to experience what to do.) Not facts, but if you think they are remotely true then you have been argueing just for the sake of argueing. I never intended to say that was fact, but it simply is true. C ya

Sorry, I didn't see a question here. It sounded awfully definitive, and didn't seem to need a response.

If you are wanting to know if whether or not I was arguing just for the sake of arguing, no, I was not. You stated something as if it was a fact, when in fact it was not. You are even admitting that it was not, right here in this message. Yet, when we called you out on it in the thread, you never admitted that you had claimed they were 100% fact, when they were in fact, NOT 100% fact. I wanted you to see that you were incorrect in your thinking. That's all. I was not attacking you personally, or anything like that. If you felt attacked I apologize for it was never meant to come across that way.

His response, and my response to his response.

Ok, ill give up. I know what my point is. You obviously dont get it, that is ok. Rewind will kill your rhythm (you stop and go backwards) and you lose a chance to learn from your mistake (you dont get to experience what to do.) Not facts, but if you think they are remotely true then you have been argueing just for the sake of argueing. I never intended to say that was fact, but it simply is true. C ya

I asked a question, and I clarified the proble. You didnt get either point. Do you think what is in green is remotely true? No more pissing match, I just want some clarification from your side.

Sorry, but the way that it is written it's NOT a question, so I didn't understand you were asking me if whether or not I thought it was true. The way that it's written I thought you were just simply stating that I have been arguing just for the sake of arguing if I thought that it was remotely true.

Now, to answer your question, you are partially correct. I think that it could ruin your rhythm, but just stating that in all situations it WILL ruin your rhythm is not an appropriate statement, because there is no way to prove it.

I am not for rewind being in GT, but no offense, you are making some very broad generalizations that may or may NOT be true.

His next response, and my next response.

Thanks. You argued just to argue. Your time was not well spent on the forum. Proof or not, it will not help anyone to be a better driver. Common sense doesnt need proof. You, and the other guys, used no common sense. You are stuck in a box, and you should get out of it.

Yeah, ok dude, even though EVERYONE ELSE on the forums will say that I was the more logical of the two of us.

 

[Organ-Donor]

This is getting way too complicated.

 

[seraphaze]

IsmokeGT
"Rewind will kill your rhythm (you stop and go backwards) and you lose a chance to learn from your mistake (you dont get to experience what to do.)"

Ismoke, your argument is valid, but only because it doesnt take into consideration two major factors...

1) Rewind can be restricted to practice mode and be applied (BY THOSE WHO WANT TO USE IT) as a skill enhancement tool (i.e. you will not be forced to use it)
2) Being available in practice mode ONLY means that no one will be able to abuse it in Trial mode (to set doctored times) or in GT mode (to win prize money/cars)

Taking these two factors into consideration we see the following...

-While rewind might kill someone elses rhythm, it wont kill yours, because you wont be using it anyway.
-Rewind wont give others (who want to use it) a chance to learn from their mistakes, so you have nothing to worry about.

Problem solved. :tup:lol

 

[McLaren]

Red, you should have just ignored him. He clearly, will never get over the truth that what he posted wasn't fact, and is just resorting to last-second defenses.

 

[IsmokeGT]

Truth be told- RedSuinit agreed with me, like any logical person would.
You guys are pathetic.
I write you in private and you post it publicly? What are you thinking?

 

[RedSuinit]

Truth be told- RedSuinit agreed with me, like any logical person would.
You guys are pathetic.
I write you in private and you post it publicly? What are you thinking?

I'm sorry, but your "great so you argued just to argue" comment even though I had already explained to you why I said what I said, was out of line. You chose to completely ignore me and make yourself feel better by mouthing off. Just because you messaged me in private doesn't mean you can say whatever you want to me, and expect me to just let it slide. Also, everyone can see exactly what I wrote, you don't need to tell them.

 

[IsmokeGT]

You argued just to argue- FACT

Rhythm and recovering from accidents are vital in motorsports- FACT

You agreed with my assumptions- FACT

Use logic to defend those facts.

You are a terrible driver- FACT
How can terrible drivers know how to be fast and what doesnt make you fast?

 

[McLaren]

The only fact here is that you're clearly not that bright.