Mass Shooting in Las Vegas

[mustafur]

I know this mini discussion between the 2 of you is none of my business but isn't one of the points of this part of the forum is opinions?

Yes and i don't mind that but it goes extreme, and gets tedious.

 

[McLaren]

But in America it's peoples rights to have a gun!

So at risk of sounding like a controversial douchebag who is fully aware gun crime exists in other countries, you reap what you sow.

If the weapon is indeed an automatic weapon, then gun laws won't mean squat. Most of the public, tmk, would not be allowed such a weapon without heavy documentation.

@LMSCorvetteGT2 may be able to verify this, but this is part of the length I found it takes to own a Class III weapon in the US; it does not include that you must find a weapon built prior to 1986 or the incredible cost of these weapons.

Once the seller is satisfied with the payment plan and has his funds, he will begin the paperwork. This requires a little bit of work on your end. You will need to get a few things in order for the process to be complete. You will need to get two sets of fingerprint cards done, two passport photos, and fill out a Form 4 (to include the signature of the CLEO of the area you live in) and write a check to the Department of the Treasury for the $200 transfer tax. It is this special tax that will allow you to legally own the weapon. Once you have all this together along with the required paperwork from the seller, you will ship it all to the BATFE who will then have one of their 10 or so inspectors sit down and review it. Any little error will cause it to be rejected and sent back. This is where the frustration begins as the wait starts. It generally takes anywhere from 50-90 days for them to process an application. The main thing that they will be doing is running an extensive background check on you through the FBI criminal database using all your information as well as your fingerprints.

The above advice assumes you are buying in state. If buying out of state, the process is the same, except that you will be required to do two to three transfers. One from the seller to a Class III FFL/SOT if he is not already one, then one from the FFL/SOT in his state to an FFL/SOT in your state, and then from your local FFL/SOT to you. There is no wait time or transfer tax between FFL/SOT's. This means that you will basically only be waiting on the time it takes for two transfers if buying out of state.

If you want to be able tp purchase new full auto weapons, you will need to apply for a FFL/SOT permit from the BATFE. Getting one isn't really all that difficult, except that you need to deal in NFA items and not just buy them. If you only buy and don't sell, then the BATFE can get you on tax evasion. You must also get requests from law enforcement agencies or military units before purchasing them even with an FFL/SOT. This is because FFL/SOT is not exactly a free license to purchase full auto weapons. It merely means that you are an authorized dealer to provide them to law enforcement agencies. However, there is nothing that says you cannot take them out for some fun when not demoing them for the police.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Why do you have the need to argue absolutely everything, it sounded very much automatic and that automatic gun had too many rounds to be a standard AR at the least.

Hence why me and @Mike Rotch suggested two logical things. Either he had more than one gun, or as I said he had a drum magazine. Which is perfectly legal in Nevada. I argue many of the stupid things posted in here because they're just that. Had all the info been out and it was then discussed and such rather than you coming in with some certainty, when you really don't know. That'd be quite different.

http://www.armslist.com/posts/4675660/reno-nevada-magazines-for-sale--new-100-rd-ar15-drum

I Said it sounded like a LMG, Like one that's all I said.

Also I never said I shot an automatic weapon only that I had been in proximity to one and it wasn't even in Australia so it doesn't matter.

You also said it's 100% automatic, without having anything to go off other than sound which as pointed out easily echoes/ricochet's off building.

Which I stay in context of, I repeatedly say "you suggested". You're suggestion however comes across yet again as assured rather, based off of sound. You yourself said "this has to be a LMG".

 

[mustafur]

Lets just see then, I don't care if I'm wrong the people who where victims to this is what matters, but I'm very interested in what guns he was shooting and how he got them in that hotel room to then shoot them.

I'm in shock at what I've seen on video that was like a Military round up of people and very disturbing to watch.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

If the weapon is indeed an automatic weapon, then gun laws won't mean squat. Most of the public, tmk, would not be allowed such a weapon without heavy documentation.

@LMSCorvetteGT2 may be able to verify this, but this is part of the length I found it takes to own a Class III weapon in the US; it does not include that you must find a weapon built prior to 1986 or the incredible cost of these weapons.

1986 is when the law was passed, that made automatic weapons after said law illegal to manufacture, possess, and so on. I say that if the suspect did in fact own it it would have been grandfathered in hence pre-86. I also say he could have inherited it from a person who legal came into possession of said weapon.

From what I've read so far it is being said that the suspect had multiple weapons, which makes me think @Mike Rotch suggestion could be right.

 

[McLaren]

1986 is when the law was passed, that made automatic weapons after said law illegal to manufacture, possess, and so on. I say that if the suspect did in fact own it it would have been grandfathered in hence pre-86. I also say he could have inherited it from a person who legal came into possession of said weapon.

From what I've read so far it is being said that the suspect had multiple weapons, which makes me think @Mike Rotch suggestion could be right.

I just read that as well along with him being found on 32nd floor of the hotel. I'm curious to know what was found now based on this photo of the distance. Edit* Looks like his companion as just found.

 

[Brend]

An altogether terrible incident. Does anyone have any idea what this nutter's motivation was yet?

Being a total 🤬 and a waste of human life. That much I'm sure we can agree on.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I just read that as well along with him being found on 32nd floor of the hotel. I'm curious to know what was found now based on this photo of the distance. Edit* Looks like his companion as just found.

Was he shooting there I thought he was shooting into the strip?

 

[Eva]

Was he shooting there I thought he was shooting into the strip?

He was shooting straight into the site of the concert according to CNN and NBC

 

[mustafur]

That is further then I thought, That is serious weaponry no matter what he used.

 

[Eva]

To back up my statement, a lot of eyewitnesses have talked about the gunfire ricocheting off of the stage and equipment around it.

 

[mustafur]

To back up my statement, a lot of eyewitnesses have talked about the gunfire ricocheting off of the stage and equipment around it.

At that angle that's probably what did the most damage.

 

[Com Fox]

Surprised they were able to get to him real quick from there.

 

[mustafur]

This is just scary, and given the time of the photo i guess this is some sort of mugshot he wanted.
https://www.instagram.com/stephenpaddock5431/

 

[Eva]

Surprised they were able to get to him real quick from there.

They literally blew the door to his room in with explosives.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Was he shooting there I thought he was shooting into the strip?

As per the 3D shot I posted earlier he was shooting from the hotel into the lot across the boulevard where the festival was being held.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

As per the 3D shot I posted earlier he was shooting from the hotel into the lot across the boulevard where the festival was being held.

Thanks Chief @Eva beat you to it

 

[Leadfoot530]

Heard about this the first thing this morning.

SMH.

 

[Dotini]

According to Fox news, the man had at least 8 guns and two shooting platforms. His room on the 32nd floor was wired with defensive video feeds, and he was dead (suicide?) by the time SWAT blew his door off. Over 400 people have been taken to hospital. Over 50 dead.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Apparently he was in his 60's and living in a retirement community. His alleged gf was located and they don't think she was involved at this point.

 

[Grayfox]

Apparently he was in his 60's and living in a retirement community. His alleged gf was located and they don't think she was involved at this point.

She was cleared of any involvement.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Thanks Chief @Eva beat you to it

Nope, the photo I posted of the stage area with the hotel behind was definitely first, not that it matters

Looks like the guy was from literally down the road - being local might imply some kind of grudge against the festival, its organisers or parties thereby represented?

That is further then I thought, That is serious weaponry no matter what he used.

300m from the base of the hotel wing to the stage according to the Google model I posted earlier. In level fire that's no problem for an assault rifle - particularly if you just want to scatter bullets into the area. The guy shooting was on the 32nd (?) floor, that gives him greater ballistic range.

 

[TB]

I'm just wondering how the heck anyone gets a AR/ MG into the Mandalay + bags of ammo. Like, wtf.

how he got them in that hotel room to then shoot them.

I have never had my bags searched when I've stayed at a hotel. Bringing in a nondescript suitcase/duffel bag wouldn't even begin to raise suspicion to any of the staff as they see thousands of them each day. Unfortunately, even if they did have security measures in place for this, someone motivated enough will always find a loophole to exploit.

I know it means nothing but thoughts are with the families of the killed and injured victims.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Nope, the photo I posted of the stage area with the hotel behind was definitely first, not that it matters

Clearly it does or you wouldn't have brought yourself to post a "correction" to begin with

That's great, my post is representative of who I got the info from that informed me better, if you posted something up prior to her informing me, that's great go celebrate. I didn't see it thus it didn't bring me insight so, once again "Thanks Cheif, @Eva beat you to it".

I have never had my bags searched when I've stayed at a hotel. Bringing in a nondescript suitcase/duffel bag wouldn't even begin to raise suspicion to any of the staff as they see thousands of them each day. Unfortunately, even if they did have security measures in place for this, someone motivated enough will always find a loophole to exploit.

I know it means nothing but thoughts are with the families of the killed and injured victims.

I agree, I've seen family bring in pets hidden into hotels where they shouldn't be. So bags with weapons in them wouldn't be hard at all in the states, some people do it at law abiding citizens because they can.

What is more strange is that he was living in the hotel for a few days and supposedly not letting anyone come in or go, but even then that really doesn't mean anything. Four days he was supposedly there.

 

[Eva]

10+ firearms in his hotel room. No clear motive. Definitely expecting the death toll to climb. UMC the only hospital in the state with the trauma 1 (top notch) facilities to handle this situation, and they wouldn't have ever had the space for this many wounded.

 

[stonesfan129]

Have the police given any information about the weapons found or what the shooter's motivation was? I see they said he had an accomplice. I just want to see civility and solutions, not more politicians/media screaming for gun bans and politicizing this.

 

[Eva]

Have the police given any information about the weapons found or what the shooter's motivation was? I see they said he had an accomplice. I just want to see civility and solutions, not more politicians/media screaming for gun bans and politicizing this.

No information on the type of weapons outside of long rifles. No found motive yet, and his companion has been cleared of any involvement right now.

 

[TB]

What is more strange is that he was living in the hotel for a few days and supposedly not letting anyone come in or go, but even then that really doesn't mean anything. Four days he was supposedly there.

Ignoring hindsight, I don't see this part as being a big deal at all. When I stay at a hotel, I don't usually let the cleaning staff in, either, as I don't need my sheets replaced and new towels every single day.

UMC the only hospital in the state with the trauma 1 (top notch) facilities to handle this situation, and they wouldn't have ever had the space for this many wounded.

Less injured will be sent to other facilities and more severe injuries that UMC can't handle will be flown somewhere that can care for them.

 

[Dotini]

The shooter had been checked in for 4 days. He had a room on a corner. Windows on both sides of the room had the sealed windows blown out, and were perhaps 10 meters between the blown out windows. Apparently he alternated between shooting platforms, each set up with rifles and ammunition. Someone has said he is a former pilot.

 

[McLaren]

Closer clip to the gunman. *Edit: I'm seeing more suspicions that it may have been an AR15 with a bump fire stock or crank trigger?