Mass Shooting in Las Vegas

[ExigeEvan]

Like... run somebody over?

Like throwing a track...

 

[McLaren]

Bump-Fire Stocks are somewhat legal? And high capacity drum magazines?

Buying straight pipes to replace your catalytic converters are also legal; that doesn't negate the illegality of it if you use it for a purpose than which it is designed for.

Modifying an AR15 into a fully-automatic weapon is illegal.

If automatics are illegal why not make semi automatic assault rifles illegal too?

Because as proven by the shooter, making something illegal doesn't stop it from happening.

Since the AR15 is so easy to modify ban its sale and ownership, I am sure there are some guns americans cant get hold of as they're under the banner of military use only.

The ease of modifying was never described.

I personally can see the need for anyone beside police, army, ect to have assault rifles.
If you want to hunt use a bolt action rifle/lever action.

This argument can apply to anything in life. We're on a forum that discusses supercars; a pointless vehicle made only for enjoyment.

 

[Famine]

I personally can see the need for anyone beside police, army, ect to have assault rifles.

I think we've already seen this week the folly of having a militarised police force with a disarmed population.

 

[ExigeEvan]

Modifying an AR15 into a fully-automatic weapon is illegal.

Correct, but converting it to a bump-fire stock and attaching a high capacity magazine is not.

A Slide Fire can (supposedly) match the Rate of Fire of a M4 rifle.

This just appears to be very poor legislation that allows a fairly simple modification to turn a legal fire arm into a legal-but-with-illegal-capability firearm.

 

[Jump_Ace]

I think we've already seen this week the folly of having a militarised police force with a disarmed population.

Sounds like a corrupt police force/gov't.


Jerome

 

[Todo Em Lixo]

This is such an over-dramatized argument because it fails to actually acknowledge the details of each event unless you dig into them yourself. I went through the first 3 pages and noticed Chicago popped up regularly every time. And they're nearly all drive-bys which likely implies it's gang violence.


It's illegal to modify an AR15 into a fully automatic weapon. Tell me why didn't this old dude understand he wasn't supposed to do that? Laws are made to be followed.

if something is banned it makes it more hard to accomplish. You only want to make it easier for these crimes to happen. So enjoy

 

[Famine]

Sounds like a corrupt police force/gov't.

Almost certainly.

Which, if I remember rightly, is literally the purpose of the Second Amendment.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Almost certainly.

Which, if I remember rightly, is literally the purpose of the Second Amendment.

Indeed, except the gov't can use drones, guns won't do much against them.


Jerome

 

[Famine]

Indeed, except the gov't can use drones, guns won't do much against them.


Jerome

The government can use nukes too (actually they can't use either - 5th, 6th, 8th Amendments), but neither is a particularly sound counterpoint to the fact that if you disarm a civilian population and militarise the police, the only people who suffer is the civilian population.

Whether that's the 900 people beaten up by police in Spain for expressing an opinion in a referendum, or the 700 people shot and killed by the police in the USA so far in 2017, armed police and unarmed civilians always hurts the civilians.

 

[Sage Ages]

if something is banned it makes it more hard to accomplish.

Banning semi-auto rifles isn’t going to make them magically disappear.

 

[McLaren]

Correct, but converting it to a bump-fire stock and attaching a high capacity magazine is not.

A Slide Fire can (supposedly) match the Rate of Fire of a M4 rifle.

This just appears to be very poor legislation that allows a fairly simple modification to turn a legal fire arm into a legal-but-with-illegal-capability firearm.

If that's what it turns out to be, fair enough.

if something is banned it makes it more hard to accomplish. You only want to make it easier for these crimes to happen. So enjoy

Translation: I can't answer the question or reply with an actual argument, so I'll just do the equivalent of calling someone a racist so the other person looks bad no matter what.

 

[Dotini]

Indeed, except the gov't can use drones, guns won't do much against them.

Ever used a shotgun against a clay pigeon? I have, and they don't stand a chance.

 

[DDastardly00]

Interesting photo, possibly the suspect wearing Pink pussyhat at an Anti-Trump protest:

 

[Todo Em Lixo]

Banning semi-auto rifles isn’t going to make them magically disappear.

Did I'm say that? You can read no?

If that's what it turns out to be, fair enough.


Translation: I can't answer the question or reply with an actual argument, so I'll just do the equivalent of calling someone a racist so the other person looks bad no matter what.

Your question was rhetocial....

 

[ExigeEvan]

Ever used a shotgun against a clay pigeon? I have, and they don't stand a chance.

Ever seen a clay pigeon at 15,000ft?

 

[McLaren]

Your question was rhetocial....

Because you claimed as if something was banned, the chances of it happening would lessen. If this man converted an AR15 into an automatic weapon, that would be doing something that is banned.

The point is criminals don't follow laws. We have gun free zones & cities with strict gun laws. This hasn't kept them free of gun-related incidents.

 

[TetsuKobura]

Did I'm say that? You can read no?

You have said multiple times in this thread about banning semi auto rifles. Quit trying the BS him.

 

[Todo Em Lixo]

Because you claimed as if something was banned, the chances of it happening would lessen. If this man converted an AR15 into an automatic weapon, that would be doing something that is banned.

The point is criminals don't follow laws. We have gun free zones & cities with strict gun laws. This hasn't kept them free of gun-related incidents.

Exactly.

 

[Todo Em Lixo]

You have said multiple times in this thread about banning semi auto rifles. Quit trying the BS him.

Yeah, and once again ... I'm never say that ban is gonna "make them magically disappear". 💡

 

[McLaren]

Exactly.

Exactly what? That despite a law in place, a man still broke it?

 

[Sage Ages]

Did I'm say that? You can read no?

The point is that banning something will only work if you can removed that banned item from public access. A ban would stop new sales of rifles, but you would still have to figure out what to do with all of those weapons that are already in circulation.

I’m not saying the laws shouldn’t be changed, I just think the whole “ban everything” idea is a flawed one.

 

[Todo Em Lixo]

The point is that banning something will only work if you can removed that banned item from public access. A ban would stop new sales of rifles, but you would still have to figure out what to do with all of those weapons that are already in circulation.

I’m not saying the laws shouldn’t be changed, I just think the whole “ban everything” idea is a flawed one.

Yes ofcourse these massive problems will not disappear over night. No matter what law you make. But for start a ban is well deserved... then it can slowly turn into a more safe society with less guns around.

 

[TexRex]

Interesting photo, possibly the suspect wearing Pink pussyhat at an Anti-Trump protest:

http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/aug/15/university-arkansas-professor-misidentified-white-/

Take from that what you will.

 

[hejustsits]

I think we've already seen this week the folly of having a militarised police force with a disarmed population.

If you're referring to the Catalonian referendum then I really can't see how the civilians having guns would have made anything better. If the Catalonian civilians had been armed the chances of somebody dying would have shot up.

 

[McLaren]

Yes ofcourse these massive problems will not disappear over night. No matter what law you make. But for start a ban is well deserved... then it can slowly turn into a more safe society with less guns around.

Once you start going down the road of removing guns from the citizens, that's a dangerous trend that can lead to this.

Whether that's the 900 people beaten up by police in Spain for expressing an opinion in a referendum, or the 700 people shot and killed by the police in the USA so far in 2017, armed police and unarmed civilians always hurts the civilians.

 

[Grayfox]

Almost certainly.

Which, if I remember rightly, is literally the purpose of the Second Amendment.

But since the second amendment was made to protect against the corrupt government does it really apply today with the police and agents protecting the leaders of the country?

Lets say trump government makes it illegal to say anything bad about him or the government, can the people rise up and overthrow the government with guns or will the people who attempt such a thing be killed by the secret service who have to protect the president regardless of their views as it is their job.

 

[ryzno]

But for start a ban is well deserved... then it can slowly turn into a more safe society with less guns around.

I could have sworn I saw a post that showed a few countries with higher gun restrictions, that ironically have a higher homicide rate.
Murder is murder...
I might be delusional from work. IDK?

 

[Danoff]

Lets say trump government makes it illegal to say anything bad about him or the government

Can't... supreme court. I know that's kinda beside your point. I think the US military would have a hard time trying to "occupy" the US.

 

[Todo Em Lixo]

Once you start going down the road of removing guns from the citizens, that's a dangerous trend that can lead to this.

How many of these civilians killed by the cops are unarmed? Less weapons on the street is gonna make the police job safer as well and they will not feel as threatened.

 

[Sanji Himura]

I'm not here to debate about guns, but I see plenty of idiotcracy that should be sourced.

Like this for example:

if something is banned it makes it more hard to accomplish. You only want to make it easier for these crimes to happen. So enjoy

So you think that the Brady Bill was intended to ban Semi-Auto weapons did its job did you? Well, what about this Duke University/University of Virginia study that said that "the Brady Bill had virtually NO EFFECT on gun violence" despite the fact that a 2000 study showed that The Brady Bill reduced suicides among those 55 or older.

From its inception, the Brady Bill is very flawed. Of the more than 202 million background checks that occurred between 1998-2014, less than 1% (.6% or 1.2 million) were actually blocked by the Brady Bill requirements. The most common reason was previous felony convictions.

Hell, even the prosecution of violators of the Brady Bill are extremely rare. During the first 17 months of the Act, 7 people were convicted. And in the Act's first year of force, 217 of the 250 cases that were referred to prosecution were rejected.

So want to rethink your Semi-Auto ban? Because the last time we tried it, it failed miserably at getting guns off the streets.