May Update

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Satomiblood
You're still operating under a lot of assumptions. Frankly, I don't understand why you felt the need to target my post considering there wasn't a whole lot for you to go on. Again, my post was pretty benign. I'm not posting anything that outright confirms or denies anything that's been floating around GTP.
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Alright, if you insist your post was benign, then we'll go with that. But, honest question, what made you think this: "If we do get anything, I wouldn't be surprised it if didn't happen for a few more months."?

When we talk about future updates we always make assumptions, to a degree. But there are logical assumptions and illogical ones.

Monthly updates, so far + "updates will continue beyond March" = monthly updates beyond March -> logical assumption
Monthly updates, so far + "updates will continue beyond March" = no updates for months at a time -> illogical assumption

It's disappointing and damaging to both PD and the community to just low-ball so much, I think. I used to low-ball too, but then, when I saw PD springing back with GT Sport, I could see they were trying to be more proactive and I wanted to believe in them.
 
warp9engage
Alright, if you insist your post was benign, then we'll go with that. But, honest question, what made you think this: "If we do get anything, I wouldn't be surprised it if didn't happen for a few more months."?

When we talk about future updates we always make assumptions, to a degree. But there are logical assumptions and illogical ones.

Monthly updates, so far + "updates will continue beyond March" = monthly updates beyond March -> logical assumption
Monthly updates, so far + "updates will continue beyond March" = no updates for months at a time -> illogical assumption

It's disappointing and damaging to both PD and the community to just low-ball their progress so much, I think.
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My personal expectations. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
warp9engage
You're absolutely entitled to have them. Still, objectively, way too low for what we know, and that's my point about unrealistically low expectations.
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I think you're putting too much stock in @Satomiblood's words.

Were there roughly monthly updates prior to this, with the 50 cars by April 1 self-imposed deadline met? Yes.
Has there been a communication from PD that updates/additions would continue past that? Yes.
Was it announced these future updates would continue at the same rate/size as before? No.

The mention of future content is intentionally vague versus the 50/March one. If anything, I'd imagine that would inform peoples' opinions. If the same rate/size was PD's intention, then we would've had a 50/September announcement, or something similar.
 
SlipZtrEm
I think you're putting too much stock in @Satomiblood's words.

Were there roughly monthly updates prior to this, with the 50 cars by April 1 self-imposed deadline met? Yes.
Has there been a communication from PD that updates/additions would continue past that? Yes.
Was it announced these future updates would continue at the same rate/size as before? No.

The mention of future content is intentionally vague versus the 50/March one. If anything, I'd imagine that would inform peoples' opinions. If the same rate/size was PD's intention, then we would've had a 50/September announcement, or something similar.
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I supposed what I wanted to say was: if you're going to make an assumption and create expectations, at least base them on what we know. We know about monthly updates, so far, and the continuation of said updates. It's true that they didn't say anything about their rate and size for the future but I find it bad for PD if people are just going "Nothing for months". Allow me to explain. PD sees fans with that expectation and can react in one of two ways:

1 - They're not doing much, nor have plans for much. So, no need to engage with the fans and keep the game fresh, they can wait. A bad attitude for them to have.

2 - They have a lot of stuff planned and see people thinking they're sitting in the office achieving little to nothing. In this situation, it can be demoralizing for hard-working dev team.

A lot of people are, and rightfully so, criticized for having excessively high expectations and then getting angry when they are not met. I think criticism should also be levied at those with excessively low expectations, when they are not entirely justified, because they just foster negativity.

Still, I digress. I'll make it a point to make less of a deal of expectations. People are entitled to have them and I've just seen too much passiveness towards PD's lack of communication and content, that I had to express a point. I apologize for going in too strong on the topic. I really didn't mean to target anyone specific. I just saw the kind of post that bothered me and went for my opinion.
 
I have content that I'd like to see, but I think it's more realistic to not anticipate anything for a few months, especially since the commentary on post-April updates - as @SlipZtrEm put it - has been a little murky as to what exactly we'll be getting and how often we'll be getting it. I'd love it if PD revealed another content timeline as they did in November, but unless they make an announcement, I'm prepared for some radio silence in the interim.
 
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SlipZtrEm
I think you're putting too much stock in @Satomiblood's words.

Were there roughly monthly updates prior to this, with the 50 cars by April 1 self-imposed deadline met? Yes.
Has there been a communication from PD that updates/additions would continue past that? Yes.
Was it announced these future updates would continue at the same rate/size as before? No.

The mention of future content is intentionally vague versus the 50/March one. If anything, I'd imagine that would inform peoples' opinions. If the same rate/size was PD's intention, then we would've had a 50/September announcement, or something similar.
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If they want to reach that 500 car goal, one would think that monthly updates would have to continue to reach it in a timely fashion.

I understand the 500 cars were not promised, however I am just saying if they still want to attain that goal, they likely would likely want to continue those regular updates.

We're currently at 221 cars. 500 - 221 = 279.

If we continue at 12 cars per month

279/12 = 23.25 months. Just short of two years from now.

It depends how long they want to support the game. If we assume 3 years of support, and we're over halfway through the first year. Just my 2 cents.
 
sihpmo
Are you Kaz? happy to pay, really?
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So by your inference, I'm guessing you won't be open to paying for future content at all? Or do you have an arbitrary timeline in mind for when suddenly your wallet should open and you can spend money? As I previously mentioned I have had over 400 hours of enjoyment out of a £40 game, I feel therefore GT Sport has 'earnt' the right to charge for extra content in future, I'm not naive enough in this day and age to expect future content to be free.

Now that might not be your reality, you may have had far less play time, or less enjoyment, which is fine of course but that's not my reality.

The whole debate on paid content is pretty moot at this point, it's gonna happen in most games, the only difference is to what degree. Long gone are the days when you bought a game and that was it but then again, those games were often smaller or didn't offer multiple modes and online play and certainly were not 'games a service' back then. They also cost a fraction to make thus here, in 2018, expecting a AAA game with a relatively large dev team, hugely costly car license contracts and an online focus which requires round the clock management is crazy talk.
 
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KK78
As I previously mentioned I have had over 400 hours of enjoyment out of a £40 game
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This is exactly my thought. Same as FIFA or GTA which are games if played well are spend hundreds of hours for like 50 bucks. If you see how many hours you play clearly the game is a bargain. No problem to pay more for the game or extra content.
 
Macboyilija
This is exactly my thought. Same as FIFA or GTA which are games if played well are spend hundreds of hours for like 50 bucks. If you see how many hours you play clearly the game is a bargain. No problem to pay more for the game or extra content.
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It's the way it is now, righly or wrongly, take Rainbow Six Siege- I bought it for £30 back in 2016, since then I've bought the season pass for £25 each year and probably about £20 of cosmetic items over that time. So £100 in total and people may think that's crazy, but then I've played the game for over 1000 hours!

A 1000 hours of gaming or about 12 trips to the cinema, 6 meals out, 2 big nights out or 1 pair of designer jeans...

I'd call that good gaming value.
 
My two cents but I reckon we’re done with major DLC packs for GTS. Maybe the odd VGT now and then and perhaps a couple more circuits, but given the track record with previous games I think this is our lot. 50 cars and 2 real world circuits seems like a fairly substantial DLC program since it’s inital release. We’ve done well to get the content we’ve received, but I’m not holding my breath for anything more.

I wouldn’t bet against GT7 being announced at E3. Most of the new content would probably be remastered from the PS3 era anyway. Makes better business sense to release a new mainline title than to churn out a new wave of DLC packs.
 
KK78
So by your inference, I'm guessing you won't be open to paying for future content at all? Or do you have an arbitrary timeline in mind for when suddenly your wallet should open and you can spend money? As I previously mentioned I have had over 400 hours of enjoyment out of a £40 game, I feel therefore GT Sport has 'earnt' the right to charge for extra content in future, I'm not naive enough in this day and age to expect future content to be free.

Now that might not be your reality, you may have had far less play time, or less enjoyment, which is fine of course but that's not my reality.

The whole debate on paid content is pretty moot at this point, it's gonna happen in most games, the only difference is to what degree. Long gone are the days when you bought a game and that was it but then again, those games were often smaller or didn't offer multiple modes and online play and certainly were not 'games a service' back then. They also cost a fraction to make thus here, in 2018, expecting a AAA game with a relatively large dev team, hugely costly car license contracts and an online focus which requires round the clock management is crazy talk.
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no gt sport has no right for extra charge in the future, they sold us a game with the value of 10 euros for 59 euros and now we have to pay for the content they didn't give us? NEVER
 
sihpmo
no gt sport has no right for extra charge in the future, they sold us a game with the value of 10 euros for 59 euros and now we have to pay for the content they didn't give us? NEVER
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I paid 40 Australian dollars for GT Sport i knew Gt Sport would not be worth over 50. When I buy something I want value for money which is content. I would gladly pay 90 or 100 if a game comes with lots of content but GT Sport came with lackluster content especially how the game was delayed a few times.
 
SlipZtrEm
I think you're putting too much stock in @Satomiblood's words.

Were there roughly monthly updates prior to this, with the 50 cars by April 1 self-imposed deadline met? Yes.
Has there been a communication from PD that updates/additions would continue past that? Yes.
Was it announced these future updates would continue at the same rate/size as before? No.

The mention of future content is intentionally vague versus the 50/March one. If anything, I'd imagine that would inform peoples' opinions. If the same rate/size was PD's intention, then we would've had a 50/September announcement, or something similar.
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My personal view on it (and why I have had no expectation of any set amount of content in any month) is that hitting the 50 cars target was an exception for PD.

The have put out DLC and content update plans in the past, but for whatever reason have missed them more often than hitting them.

As such I set my expectations accordingly.
 
warp9engage
Alright, if you insist your post was benign, then we'll go with that. But, honest question, what made you think this: "If we do get anything, I wouldn't be surprised it if didn't happen for a few more months."?

When we talk about future updates we always make assumptions, to a degree. But there are logical assumptions and illogical ones.

Monthly updates, so far + "updates will continue beyond March" = monthly updates beyond March -> logical assumption
Monthly updates, so far + "updates will continue beyond March" = no updates for months at a time -> illogical assumption

It's disappointing and damaging to both PD and the community to just low-ball so much, I think. I used to low-ball too, but then, when I saw PD springing back with GT Sport, I could see they were trying to be more proactive and I wanted to believe in them.
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It wasn't officially (https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/news/00_4451949.html) quoted that the updates between November and March were going to be monthly! Way back in November it would have been more than acceptable to assume two updates with 25 cars as opposed to the monthly updates with 12/13 cars that we actually got.

I get what you are saying though about a logical assumption - they have been monthly so far so why shouldn't it continue like that?! However, I disagree that it is illogical to assume no updates for months at a time as it is an entirely plausible scenario.

I do hope they continue monthly, and do think that they will! - however I fear the quantity will be drastically reduced to at least half the number of cars per update :(
 
There might be a May Update because of the new tyre model that many picked up on on that 24hr Nurburgring live stream. Ive seen a few videos of people talking about it via YouTube.

It is very possible that they will bring out more cars to show off this feature and a new track (probably), yet, I'm not getting any high hopes or anything unless I see any official news that it will be implemented.
 
If we would have 12 new cars and new tracks or layouts this month, I think we would have seen a teaser from Kaz on Twitter last saturday and we would have a update this friday :).
 
Islaygaz
It wasn't officially (https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/news/00_4451949.html) quoted that the updates between November and March were going to be monthly! Way back in November it would have been more than acceptable to assume two updates with 25 cars as opposed to the monthly updates with 12/13 cars that we actually got.

I get what you are saying though about a logical assumption - they have been monthly so far so why shouldn't it continue like that?! However, I disagree that it is illogical to assume no updates for months at a time as it is an entirely plausible scenario.

I do hope they continue monthly, and do think that they will! - however I fear the quantity will be drastically reduced to at least half the number of cars per update :(
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They did say "regular updates", on that very post you highlighted, which by definition means: "arranged in or constituting a constant or definite pattern, especially with the same space between individual instances."

As for logical and illogical assumptions, look again at the premises and tell me how you, logically, reach a conclusion of "no updates for months". As you said, this is PD, so it's not entirely implausible that they may do this, but what of their current behavior leads you to believe they're just going to go quiet? You've had monthly updates, every single month, with at least some content and they stated they would continue updating after March, which has happened as well. Knowing these two premises are fact, the most logical conclusion you can make, when you add two and two together, is that you'll continue to get regular updates with some new content. This is the most realistic assumption you can make, given the premises we know are true. Saying things like "there's going to be a huge Spec 2.0 update" and "no updates for months" are already well into the speculation zone. There's nothing in the current premises to make you able to logically reach those conclusions.

So, until more comes to light, your deduction is illogical and merely speculative because it's taking into account premises about PD's past behavior that we don't know are true right now.
 
SlipZtrEm
I think you're putting too much stock in @Satomiblood's words.

Were there roughly monthly updates prior to this, with the 50 cars by April 1 self-imposed deadline met? Yes.
Has there been a communication from PD that updates/additions would continue past that? Yes.
Was it announced these future updates would continue at the same rate/size as before? No.

The mention of future content is intentionally vague versus the 50/March one. If anything, I'd imagine that would inform peoples' opinions. If the same rate/size was PD's intention, then we would've had a 50/September announcement, or something similar.
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And that's the thing. PD have essentially built up an expectation after placing 52 new cars from release to now. We are lead to believe that updates with 10+ cars and a new track will continue, and, truth be told, we are becoming thirsty for content that technically isn't promised. I don't want PD to go backwards here, the communication has increased quite a bit since GT6 - they can't let us down now. They've done soo much for us.
 
IngRobNy
If we would have 12 new cars and new tracks or layouts this month, I think we would have seen a teaser from Kaz on Twitter last saturday and we would have a update this friday :).
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Why this friday? You do realize the month only ends next week right? And only on Thursday of next week, by the way. They are much more likely to release on the 31st than on the 25th. This need all the time, they can get, to work on things. If something's coming, expect the teaser this next saturday, for release on the very last day of the month.
 
warp9engage
Why this friday? You do realize the month only ends next week right? And only on Thursday of next week, by the way. They are much more likely to release on the 31st than on the 25th. This need all the time, they can get, to work on things. If something's coming, expect the teaser this next saturday, for release on the very last day of the month.
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Because in my head all updates was released on a friday :embarrassed: :lol:, but that's not so, so there is a chance for seeing a teaser on Twitter this saturday and a update next thursday :):

TheGeologist
In January, Kaz teased the update on January 20th, and released on January 25th.

In February, Kaz teased the update on February 24th, and released on February 28th.

In March, Kaz teased the update on March 23rd, and released on March 29th.

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January and March updates were released on the final Thursday of the month, while the Feb update was released on the final day of the month which was Wednesday. February may have been different because of the shorter amount of days. So if we assume the updates will be released on the final Thursday of every month sans February, then it is possible the April update will be released on the 26th. Tease today or tomorrow?
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sihpmo
they sold us a game with the value of 10 euros for 59 euros and now we have to pay for the content they didn't give us?
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Did they promiss the content you were looking for ? To me they promissed an e-sports racing game. Different than GT5 and GT6. So to me I got what I think they promissed. I hated it in the beginning when announced, but I liked it after I bought it. But wanting content is not the same as promissing content.

SestoScudo
When I buy something I want value for money which is content.
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To you value for money could be content. To others it could mean how many hours they play. If content is what you were looking for maybe you did not check before you bought the game ? This would be only your mistake I would say and not the fault of PD. I knew this game was different so I waited untill january before buying it.

warp9engage
So, until more comes to light, your deduction is illogical and merely speculative because it's taking into account premises about PD's past behavior that we don't know are true right now.
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Thats what I said, people are so spoiled nowadays !
 
The waiting is very agonizing painful every month. :lol:

Here is something to take that pain away until we wait for any news about the May DLC Update:


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Below is a link for more pictures of my concept cars on GT Planet:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/my-concept-cars.378361/
 
Macboyilija
Did they promiss the content you were looking for ? To me they promissed an e-sports racing game. Different than GT5 and GT6. So to me I got what I think they promissed. I hated it in the beginning when announced, but I liked it after I bought it. But wanting content is not the same as promissing content.


To you value for money could be content. To others it could mean how many hours they play. If content is what you were looking for maybe you did not check before you bought the game ? This would be only your mistake I would say and not the fault of PD. I knew this game was different so I waited untill january before buying it.


Thats what I said, people are so spoiled nowadays !
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they promised a racing game and you know what? this game has no tracks, this game has no cars. what is this game for then? ooohhh yes E-SPORT + taking pictures
 
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