Mission 34 - Mercedes Mclaren SLR at Nurburgring

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Ermac26
My problem I think is I'm trying too hard. Meaning I'm breaking at the last minute and trying to get the most out of this car, causing me to loose time at the beginning of the track


Late braking is VERY expensive here, exit speed is king. If you dive too deep, you corner too slowly, perhaps nearly stopping to make the turn, and then you're late on the gas, which is speed you don't have until you brake next, sometimes 20 seconds of going slower than you could be. It adds up fast.

Earlier in the thread I said I got better at this when I started driving 7/10ths instead of 11/10ths. Relax and cruise around, and brake before you want to. Also, people have mentioned how badly the car understeers. Don't fight the push, just neutral throttle through the turns, nail it on the way out.

I still haven't beaten it clean, I did two short-cuts and two wall-rides in my winning run, but my clean times are coming down to getting 2nd consistently.

As mentioned several times, the NA version of this is much more difficult than other versions, not only because we have to wait longer, but I think our 300SL is slightly quicker, too.

I don't have a wheel, only the Dual Shock 2.
 
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Uncle Harry = I do have another controller from the grey station days ( PS1 ) it's dual shock but I'm not if I can get the touch sensative buttons on that controller like I get with my DS2. So, if I can let me know...or anyone else can let me know...thanks

Ermac,

i use the right/left analogue joysticks on the DS2. It is much easier than using the pretty much all or nothing buttons.

Licence S-9 doing my nut.
 
GEETOWN_DRIFTER
i feel everybodys pain on this one....its damn hard the best ive got so far is 25 seconds back. im gonna keep tryin till i get it. has anyone beat it yet?

Take a few minutes to read the last couple pages... you'll see that not only have people beaten it, they have uploaded video to prove it :D
 
GEETOWN_DRIFTER
i feel everybodys pain on this one....its damn hard the best ive got so far is 25 seconds back. im gonna keep tryin till i get it. has anyone beat it yet?
GD,
Take heart, I was stuck at somewhere around +22 seconds for the longest time, thinking this is impossible, but soon you start picking up seconds here and there and, finally, you learn how to drive this beast with all its faults and the seconds just start fallin away. The ultimate slow in fast out rule applies to this car. Have a good look at Zonda's checkpoint times...they are excellent measures of where you need to be to beat this thing. Even then, if look at his pics, you'll see just how close it is at the finish line!

Good luck bud.
 
The way I practiced to beat this mission was in the BMW GTR M3 w/stage4 turbo. I got down to a 5'36.7xx (can prove it) with it and could do 5'37's consistently. I then jumped onto Mission 34. After a slight adjustment to the tire grip differences it was a cake walk and I can beat it every time I do it now.
So the trick here is get fast in a good car and then when you get in a slow car it is nothing.
 
OK... I've come to the conclusion that its not the difficulty of the mission that's so hard to take... its the FRICKIN WAIT to restart it !!! It's enough to make someone go postal on something... just ask my dog's hair brush (if you can find all the pieces LOL).

I need to sit down with those section times and see how far off I am... I feel like I've got the first half down great, but I get the red mist on the second half... also, I'm nowhere close to passing the 4th place car on the 1st bowl... I'm lucky if I catch him by the second bowl LOL
 
wfooshee
Late braking is VERY expensive here, exit speed is king. If you dive too deep, you corner too slowly, perhaps nearly stopping to make the turn, and then you're late on the gas, which is speed you don't have until you brake next, sometimes 20 seconds of going slower than you could be. It adds up fast.

Earlier in the thread I said I got better at this when I started driving 7/10ths instead of 11/10ths. Relax and cruise around, and brake before you want to. Also, people have mentioned how badly the car understeers. Don't fight the push, just neutral throttle through the turns, nail it on the way out.

I still haven't beaten it clean, I did two short-cuts and two wall-rides in my winning run, but my clean times are coming down to getting 2nd consistently.

As mentioned several times, the NA version of this is much more difficult than other versions, not only because we have to wait longer, but I think our 300SL is slightly quicker, too.

I don't have a wheel, only the Dual Shock 2.

Thanks for the advice, it may help. Ya, I am breaking late for the turn and trying to push as much as I can to get teh car around the bend as fast as possible. Yet, that's me, and how I race in the game, drive hard, drive fast. Basically, any car I drive in the game, I push it to it's limits jsut before getting to the barrier where the car looses control and I'm off track. It has always worked for me, but, this mission makes a bad driver doing that :guilty:

To those who have suggested for me to get the wheel, forget that idea. I'm better with the DS2 with the camera view where you se the hood of the car and a bit of the roof of the car, my favourite view now. I used to drive with the chase cam chasing the car.

I've tryed watching teh video that one person posted at the end of this thread and all I get is a black media player screen and it won't play, :crazy:

I've actually taken a long break from this mission because, yes, it can make even the most patient person go postal with the wait period. I'm going to see if there is a game shark code that makes the wait non existant, :lol:...kidding

Seriously, I'm going to just keep working at it until I can get past the 300SL. The McKlaren is much faster than the 300SL, like people have said, it's not the car you drive, it's how you drive it. In this case, slow and steady wins the race. This mission is starting to remind me of the story of "The Tortoise and the Hare", hmmmmm, gets me thinking of this mission differently now that I put it to myself that way....💡

Edit = For those who are curious as to what my idea is, I'm going to play it cool :sly:. In other words pretend I'm the toroise and the other cars are the hare(s). I'm going to take my time to see how it works form me with this mission because, damn, it's hard :( . I have not played the mission for some time right now but plan on to some time this weekend and see if I can come 2nd this time 'round or maybe even first if I'm lucky. The best place I have come in so far according to my journal is 3rd place and about 7secs behind the lead car. So pushing has been making me get better and better. Yet, i'm jsut going to experiment with different techniques and see which ones work for me with this one. It's the only mission I have to complete.

Man I thought the mission on Seatlle Circuit with the whatchamacallit car was hard. It's a peice of cake. Same with the first 33 missions, all peices of cake compared to this brain teaser. But, like my mom always says " You enjoy puzzles. You'll figure it out" :)



I've just finished watching the vids posted in this thread, well the ones that would work anyway. I have a couple of theories about them, correct me if I'm wrong:

1. Everyone who recorded the vid, they were driving in manual, not automatic
2. They did not use the DS2, but the DFP ( Driving Force Pro AKA wheel )

Those are my theories. Now, I use Automatic transmission and use the DS2. I know it's beatable with the DS2, but I'm starting to think it's not so using Automatic transmission. The computer, when I brake, goes one gear too low in the corners where I can take them at gear 3 ( ie = when the red number flashes red I start braking but if the number is flashing a red 3, the computer puts me in gear 2 ). I'm starting to think I found the solution to my problem, use Manual transmission and maybe I can beat the mission after a few trys lets say.

But I'm still taking a break from the mission. It's that mind boggling on how creators of a game can get a way with putting a mini game in a game, :crazy: :scared: :nervous: :guilty: :yuck: :dunce:
 
Ermac26
1. Everyone who recorded the vid, they were driving in manual, not automatic
2. They did not use the DS2, but the DFP ( Driving Force Pro AKA wheel )

Those are my theories. Now, I use Automatic transmission and use the DS2. I know it's beatable with the DS2, but I'm starting to think it's not so using Automatic transmission. The computer, when I brake, goes one gear too low in the corners where I can take them at gear 3 ( ie = when the red number flashes red I start braking but if the number is flashing a red 3, the computer puts me in gear 2 ). I'm starting to think I found the solution to my problem, use Manual transmission and maybe I can beat the mission after a few trys lets say.

But I'm still taking a break from the mission. It's that mind boggling on how creators of a game can get a way with putting a mini game in a game, :crazy: :scared: :nervous: :guilty: :yuck: :dunce:

i beat it with both the DS2 and auto transmission ;)

and i only held R2 in a few straight sections, where i actually could devote some attention to looking at my rpms

i think with grippier tires and tcs, as is the case in this mission, using the controller is actually better than the wheel, because you can switch directions and go from full throttle to full braking very fast.. but thats just my speculation, seeing as i've never driven with a wheel before
 
Ermac26
The computer, when I brake, goes one gear too low in the corners where I can take them at gear 3 ( ie = when the red number flashes red I start braking but if the number is flashing a red 3, the computer puts me in gear 2 ).

Ignore the red numbers. If you watch them closely enough (which you can't because you're trying not to crash) you'll see that it changes while you're braking. It'll flash a 3, then change to a 2. Even worse, in some cases on this mission, if you're not already slowing down by the time it flashes, you're too late. The only thing the red number does is show you when to slow to make the turn. Sometimes, because of the weird sets of some of the turns, you can slow earlier to get a quicker exit, for a faster run overall.
 
wfooshee
Ignore the red numbers. If you watch them closely enough (which you can't because you're trying not to crash) you'll see that it changes while you're braking. It'll flash a 3, then change to a 2. Even worse, in some cases on this mission, if you're not already slowing down by the time it flashes, you're too late. The only thing the red number does is show you when to slow to make the turn. Sometimes, because of the weird sets of some of the turns, you can slow earlier to get a quicker exit, for a faster run overall.

Thanks for the advice wfooshee. I'll keep this in mind when I do the mission again sometime this week in hopes of beating it finally :ouch:

zondahelmet
i beat it with both the DS2 and auto transmission

and i only held R2 in a few straight sections, where i actually could devote some attention to looking at my rpms

i think with grippier tires and tcs, as is the case in this mission, using the controller is actually better than the wheel, because you can switch directions and go from full throttle to full braking very fast.. but thats just my speculation, seeing as i've never driven with a wheel before

Ya, I'm using the DS2 and auto transmission now because MT is too damn confusing and since I'm used to auto tranny, I forget to upshift and downshift so I'm sticking with AT and not MT. i know this mission is beatable it's a matter of time before I beat it finally
 
I finally beat the mission today after playing it 3hrs everday for a week. I pulled all the stops, lawn mowing, wall riding, you name it. At the last straightaway I was at 14.6 and I thought I was done for but I slowed down and cut through the last chicane and won by 0.01 seconds! It wasn't pretty but now the pressure is off and I can beat it legit. BTW, I used DS2 and automatic transmission.
 
Tony_Cash
I finally beat the mission today after playing it 3hrs everday for a week. I pulled all the stops, lawn mowing, wall riding, you name it. At the last straightaway I was at 14.6 and I thought I was done for but I slowed down and cut through the last chicane and won by 0.01 seconds! It wasn't pretty but now the pressure is off and I can beat it legit. BTW, I used DS2 and automatic transmission.

I've tryed pulling all the stops and the AI still won!!:grumpy: I've done it all, wall rode, cut through the grass, breaking at last minute...you name it, I've tryed it and it makes my times slower rather than faster...what up wit dat!!??:dunce:

The closest I've come now lately is jsut under 5secs behind the 300SL...close but no cigar :guilty: :indiff: :grumpy:
 
Ermac26
I've tryed pulling all the stops and the AI still won!!:grumpy: I've done it all, wall rode, cut through the grass, breaking at last minute...you name it, I've tryed it and it makes my times slower rather than faster...what up wit dat!!??:dunce:

The closest I've come now lately is jsut under 5secs behind the 300SL...close but no cigar :guilty: :indiff: :grumpy:

Late braking is a no-no for this mission. Smooth is king, except for the first section. I gained huge time by power sliding through the first chicane and cutting through the following two grass sections. If done right you can get under a 1:48 split time. When wall riding Bergwerk, make sure you let go of the throttle just before coming back onto the road to drop you back into 2nd gear, otherwise you'll lose acceleration and time.

I used to lose most of my time in the technical section before the final straight. Until then I was always 3 secs ahead of the split times posted here and it drove me insane because I didn't know what I was doing wrong. Then I began studying the videos posted here, making a mental note of lines, braking points, entry speed, and exit speed. Basically you have to hug the curbing.

I'm telling you, this mission literally haunted my dreams and I feel as if a huge weight has been lifted. You know what really helped me? Flipping between video and cable tv, during the 2min wait. Made it more bearable, tho sometimes I missed the start. :crazy:
 
After a few months of not playing GT I tried running this mission (only mission I haven't passed yet) and I came up with a an unbelievable 30 second deficit.. :guilty:

How in heaven's name can I pass this test??? It seems that a few month's time of not playing is enough to screw my driving style.. :grumpy:
 
I found that after the first hairpin, the gear indicator is generally a good guide of when to start braking. Its really counter-intuitive, just brake until it stops flashing then accelerate after the apex. Using this, combined with the time I saved lawn mowing and wall riding, I was able to pull it out.
 
ving
its a toughy hey ermac,
I have given it a rest... sure i'll get back to it soon tho.

:)

you can say that again...everytime I do the mission I feel like going postal on my roommate just because I'm getting angry at a game which is not like me to get angry at a video game...but hey, since seeing the pics of the F1 you get for 100% completion of the game, I'm trying to get 100% to get the car to play around with but this mission is a steel wall which is impenitrable by us except superman (someone who can beat the mission)

but I might try it some more this weekend, maybe 3 trys here, 2 trys there, few trys tonight maybe who knows....I'll keep ya's posted because i'm starting to think I'm now the only person in this thread who hasn't beaten it yet
 
Finally, finished all the other Driving Missions and i'm now going to attempt Mission 34.:indiff::nervous:

Wish me luck, cause by the sounds of it, I'm gonna definately going to need it:scared:


Better update my attempt number every hundredth or so try :indiff:
,as I continue in future...
 
Tryed this mission for a few hrs last night and the closest I came was just over 8secs behind the 300SL, close but no cigar...I'm thinking I'm losing time towards the last few checkpoints on the track...the check point at the start of the back end straight before the start/finish, I'm always at +22.xxx - +24.xxx secs behind the 300SL...the first check point I can anywhere from +1.49.xxx - +1.51.xxx secs behind the leader but towards the end of the track, I'm loosing big time when it comes to the straight before the karoussel...I cannot catch fifth place before the turn to pass him...I'm pasing maybe 30-45 secs after the karoussel...when I come onto the straight thats before the karaoussel, the check point there I'm +1.00.xxx - +1.11.xxx....my times are no where near anyone elses...any thoughts or ideas to bring my times down??? at the first cehckpoint lastnight, I was able to get +1.45.xxx behind the 300SL and the first 4-5 checkpoints afterwards I was way lower than all the other times listed in this thread but around mid way of the track to the later parts of the track, I was loosing time BADLY...s.o.s :(

I've watched all the vids in this thread adn tehy don't help me one bit...I get worse when I watch the vids, not better


any thoughts / suggesstions / ideas?

PS - mick777, I'm going to get my splits on my best run and write them down and pm you my splits on my best run tonight, alrighty??? I cannot create a vid of a replay to put here i have no AR Max...no money :(
 
Ermac26
PS - mick777, I'm going to get my splits on my best run and write them down and pm you my splits on my best run tonight, alrighty??? I cannot create a vid of a replay to put here i have no AR Max...no money :(

That'll do nicely. I actually have a little lap time calculator i made which will make finding where you are really losing time easy to see.
 
Ermac26
I've watched all the vids in this thread adn tehy don't help me one bit...I get worse when I watch the vids, not better


any thoughts / suggesstions / ideas?

I got my practice by using a fast car, the BMW M3 GTR Race Car w/ stage 4 turbo and R5 tires. I found that by learning the track with a very fast car with good grip it was easy running this mission in a slower car with less grip. Try it, practice with the beemer until you can get close to 5'40 ( I ran it down to a 5'36) then when you do this mission it will be soooooo much easier. :)
 
Hey PJ fancy seeing you here :sly:, i was going to ask if you mind if i use your run to compare Ermac's splits. Seeing as i need an NTSC run to compare it with. PM'd you on the US board anyway.
 
Here are my splits for Mission 34. The first few splits are better than some of the others but I'm working on it. Theses are from my best run lastnight after work and did some relaxing excersises before attempting this mission:

T1 = +1'50.693
T2 = +1'41.919
T3 = +1'34.849
T4 = +1'22.709
T5 = +1'10.818
T6 = +1'00.075
T7 = +0'46.432
T8 = +0'38.296
T9 = +0'32.029
T10 = +0'21.259
T11 = +0'12.982
T12 = +0'07.549 ( AKA start/finish line )

Total Time = 9'20.581

These times were acheived after using the BMW M3 GTR Race Car with R4 racing tires for 3 laps in practice mode and using the Nissan Skyline GT-R Road Going Version for two laps around the ring in family cup and won of course, :lol:

Anyway, hope these times help anyone calculate where I'm loosing my time and maybe how can I correct the section(s) of the track to make my time faster so I can finally catch the 5th place guy BEFORE the karoussel for a change :indiff:

PS = These times also DON'T include mowing the grass nor riding the walls. I'm not cheating at this one no matter what, ok? Sorry to make this PS sound that rude, was not my intention, sorry :(

Edit = For future reference, I'm not familiar with the technical names of the different parts of this track, i just know them to see them or get them described to me, ok :)
 
Finally, I found out the best way to achieve a victory in this mission...

It all happened when I had 3 attempts the other day and was still 7 seconds off the lead.

I then, for practice, invested $610,000 in my own Mercedes SLR McLaren, (Black looks the best) Stock as standard except for OZ Wheels and did the 4hr Nurburgring Endurance.

With plenty of laps memorized in my head, I then attempted another 3 shots at mission 34, and wouldn't you believe it, it's so much easier.👍

I managed this time on my first lap: 00'03.1XX + off the lead.
second lap: 00'01.1XX + off the lead.
third lap: 00'01.120 - beating the lead:).

So my conclusion would be, invest in a SLR, (don't tune it up mind you) and race in the 4hr Nurb' Enduro. As long you can stay on the track, it makes this mission so much easier and looks simple compared to the last test in S license: (Nurburgring):dunce:

But the reality is, unfortuneatly, that this mission is nothing compared to the final test, and you've got a long way to go even after this missionis completed...:indiff:
 
GT Pro
Finally, I found out the best way to achieve a victory in this mission...

It all happened when I had 3 attempts the other day and was still 7 seconds off the lead.

I then, for practice, invested $610,000 in my own Mercedes SLR McLaren, (Black looks the best) Stock as standard except for OZ Wheels and did the 4hr Nurburgring Endurance.

With plenty of laps memorized in my head, I then attempted another 3 shots at mission 34, and wouldn't you believe it, it's so much easier.👍

I managed this time on my first lap: 00'03.1XX + off the lead.
second lap: 00'01.1XX + off the lead.
third lap: 00'01.120 - beating the lead:).

So my conclusion would be, invest in a SLR, (don't tune it up mind you) and race in the 4hr Nurb' Enduro. As long you can stay on the track, it makes this mission so much easier and looks simple compared to the last test in S license: (Nurburgring):dunce:

But the reality is, unfortuneatly, that this mission is nothing compared to the final test, and you've got a long way to go even after this missionis completed...:indiff:

Thanks for the tip GTPro. I'm going to give it a try when I'm on vacation from work in a couple of weeks in April. I'll try the 4hr endurance race on the 'Ring and try the mission afterwards. Hopefully this works and I can beat this mission and get it off my mind. I really wanna concentrate on doing the last 2 enduros on Le Sarthe I and II and finally do the GT Grand Prix with my formula car.

But in the mean time I'm going to continue to work on the mission and hopefully my splits get better and better from mid to later in the track.

PS = has anyone had a chance to see my splits and determine where I'm going wrong???? :scared::nervous:
 
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