NBA 2012-13 Offseason Thread
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Am I correct in understanding Arenas is still a FA?
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- a6m5zero
Yeah, you don't have a dog in the fight or anything.
If you were actually fan of a small market team, I might actually be interested in what you have to say(no!). All these girls are now willing to take less money, so they can put together these fabulous super teams, which in process screws most of the NBA teams, especially in boring towns. All boring town clubs can offer is more money to draw the talent. They don't have the locale going for them. This "we can't win, so let us all take million$ in pay cut, join up & gang up on other teams", while I don't blame the players(much of today's players are 'boys'), it's wrong for the sport. If the trend continues, we don't need 30 teams. Over half the teams in the league would be irrelevant. As it is, when Miami play to their capability, it is literally like Team USA against whatever other countries in the Olympics. Not because of team concept anything. Just because they are frigging loaded with the top players in the league. Unless they blow up internally or something, only other factor that can stop this team is injuries.
Addition of Ray Allen = Game Over
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- a6m5zero
Exactly.
I like Major League Baseball. At least teams have some control over how good they want to be. NBA? Even before Miami, it was nearly impossible for small market team to win. Sure, there are exceptions like OKC & San Antonio(debatable if this one's small market), but they were extremely lucky to have their player stay.
With the Heat in place now, even OKC will not beat the Heat(barring injuries) as their roster stands, and San Antonio is too old. And those two were the exceptions. Young fans might not realize this, but it was already tough for smaller team to win the Championship as it was. Did LeBron do anything wrong? For him personally? He did nothing wrong, except for the fact that he is the first star player of the caliber that I'm aware to run. But in the bigger picture, with this super team trend, NBA Championships went from nearly impossible to impossible. Again, barring injuries.
It's gonna be like watching the Olympics basketball. We already know the outcome, and that is bad for the sport.
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Nobody outside Miami was crazy about the whole thing anyway, but one thing that entire media across the country bashed was "The Decision".
There in fact was a sign-and-trade between the two teams, but the reason why so many fans doesn't realize this happened is because it was somewhat irrelevant. There were future picks, but I don't believe Cleveland received anything of significance, considering, and the deal was completely afterthought for the Heat, because they were doing this with, or without the sign-and-trade.
We make fun of Dwight & the Magic, but even with all the drama, at least Magic is not being braindead like the Cavs, and Dwight didn't screw his team like LeBron. *shrug*
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Paulie probably already heard this anyway:
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They aren't not worth anything.
Danny Ferry(their GM at the time) was a tool, but they also had to fight the small/boring market handicap like half the teams in the league. I've always thought that all Cleveland needed was a good GM. They just kept bringing in one regular season hero/playoffs flop after another.Have I blamed the Heat & Pat Riley? I do talk a lot of smack about them, and will continue to do so, but haven't I also admitted(more than once), had this super team thing happened to my team, I'd be "screw you guys lol"?
LeBron didn't break any rules. Neither did Miami, or Riley. Do I have to like them, what they did, or how this have changed the league? Nooooo! A lot of people hate Miami, but I think especially the Blazer fans, because our team is hopelessly sucky. We are not jealous of the Heat. We can't begin to be. We are jealous of the Timberwolves at this point.
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The small market excuse doesn't work when comparing Cleveland to Miami. Miami never drew in the crowds before we drafted Wade, which was the same time that the Cavs got Lebron. Unlike the Cavs, however, Miami made the moves necessary to make a successful run. After the championship, Miami had a season where they were the worst team in the league. They essentially had to rebuild from scratch. And they did. What was Cleveland doing?
Portland would be in pretty good shape had the Oden pick worked out. They just went bust on a gamble, whereas the Sonics prospered.
Portland would be in pretty good shape had the Oden pick worked out. They just went bust on a gamble, whereas the Sonics prospered.
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Miami is not a small media market. They didn't "draw in", because they indeed were not good before.
I'm not sure about your point in comparing the team building timeline with LeBron in Cleveland versus Wade in Miami. Cleveland had far better team than the Heat. What if it was the other way around, and Wade joined Cleveland? Don't get me wrong, Riley is brilliant. But this brilliant rebuilding you are talking about, LeBron James was the rebuilding. It was his decision to join Wade, and only he himself was responsible for making this possible.
If you had the #1 pick, the "gamble" was Kevin Durant. From the NBA team executives to media, just about all of those that went on record voiced that Oden was the easy #1 selection.
We all knew Durant was going to be good. Personally, I thought he could turn out to be anything between Rashard Lewis to LeBron James. As we all know, he is turning out to be closer to LeBron James.
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NBA TV is supposedly showing Jeremy Lin's games from this previous season all day today. Perhaps Jeremy Lin can up his game a bit playing for my Rockets this season. I don't necessarily think Lin is overrated. I just hope he can bring his production with the Knicks to my Rockets. Anything to help my Rockets become a contender again is fine with me as a Rockets fan.
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Guess what? Mills backed up his 39pt game with a big time 3 on the buzzer to give Australia the win over the undefeated Russia.
BTW, did you just call Oden a 3rd world lemon?
Oh man, watching that and seeing Patty hit that clutch 3 pointer was awesome.
I was pretty much jumping up and down yelling around the loungeroom
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Yeah that would be a moving screen, I never even noticed that when I watched it, however it's well and truly justified if you saw the refereeing in the rest of the game. Olympics officiating has been the worst I've ever seen in any basketball.
Olympics officiating has been the worst I've ever seen in any basketball.
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They call plenty of moving picks, but they also miss a plenty.
As far as the make-up calls go, any violation can be a make-up call. God, the B.S. can get so deep with those in some games.
My favorite make-up call gotta be the out of bounds call on a foul? Player on offense gets fouled, he touches the ball last, but the ref, with their superior wisdom calls out of bounds on the defender who just committed that foul. This guy knows he didn't touch the ball last. Guy knows that he just hacked this mother trucker, so he doesn't say anything. Dude who just got fouled is like "whatever", at least I got the ball back. Should we play by the rules, or should we just keep this crap up? NBA is fabulous, especially the priceless officiating.
I understand that basketball is impossible to referee, but instead of trying to offer the best officiating possible, they keep trying to cover up the flaws instead. Mix the hidden agenda(SUPERSTARTREATMENT, etc.), and you have a untrustworthy league.
As far as the make-up calls go, any violation can be a make-up call. God, the B.S. can get so deep with those in some games.
My favorite make-up call gotta be the out of bounds call on a foul? Player on offense gets fouled, he touches the ball last, but the ref, with their superior wisdom calls out of bounds on the defender who just committed that foul. This guy knows he didn't touch the ball last. Guy knows that he just hacked this mother trucker, so he doesn't say anything. Dude who just got fouled is like "whatever", at least I got the ball back. Should we play by the rules, or should we just keep this crap up? NBA is fabulous, especially the priceless officiating. I understand that basketball is impossible to referee, but instead of trying to offer the best officiating possible, they keep trying to cover up the flaws instead. Mix the hidden agenda(SUPERSTARTREATMENT, etc.), and you have a untrustworthy league.
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