need help GT World Championship
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Hong Kong is a ghastly circuit, the best I ever did on that race was fifth, so I can't really help you. I'm only hoping I can get first by redoing it in the F1 car... Still won the champ with that result, but wsn't satisfied with my time of +0.50.427 on the leader, who lapped the Gillet Vertigo behind me.
CeltaniCI Drove it lastnite and it was fun indeedi had my "Minolta" to do the work. A-SPEC all the way! The only car i had any so whatever competition of was the "Pescarolo C60 RC 04"
Very fun to drive this Championchip!
celtanic you say you did it with the minolta like im trying to do so please could you write your settings in here for me please and what postion did you take on the hong kong circuit as well as what tyres you used many thanks
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rad.com
Not knowing how you have your car set up, what exactly is the problem you think you are having (other than can't win the race) I can only tell you my experience:
When I was struggling with Hong Kong the first time in this series the most effective thing I discovered was to stretch out my gears (ie: run the autoset higher), drop down in tires (ie: if you are running r2/r1 switch to r3/r2) and take a pit stop half way through the race for new tires. Running that way I found I increased my lap times by 3+ seconds.
If you do the math that is over 54 seconds faster over 18 laps. Subtract the time you spend in the pit and you are somewhere 15-20 seconds faster overall in the race... Minimize the amount of time you spend in the pit after the tire change by only taking as much gas as you need to finish the race, hit the "x" button and get back on the track.
At this point is that enough time to get you the win? If not, then we will have to look at how you are driving, what you are driving with, how your car is set up, etc.
With the Minolta, I know it is possible to run this race even without the turbo and win.
If you are using a DS2 and assuming you are driving with a Manual Transmission you might want to try setup as follows as a starting place.
Springs a little softer than default(I don't remember what the default is)
bound at 5/5
rebound at 7/7
Camber at 2.0/1.0
Toe at 0/-1 or even 0/-2
Brakes at 5/6 or 6/7
ASM/TCS at 0/0/2 or 0/0/3 or 0/0/4 or whatever to help to keep from roasting the rears all the time.
Reset the autoset on your transmission to where you aren't having to get down into first gear coming off the slower corners and where you aren't always roasting the rears. It isn't necessary to have the fastest acceleration... momentum and smooth through the corners is better.
Try to get to a brake early, coast through and feather back on the gas method through the corners. Find the optimal apex... most folks aren't finding it at Kong and the monkey spanks them for it. If you find the optimal apex at Hong Kong, the corners are not nearly as sharp and you can fly through them much quicker. Most would not agree but, as far as I am concerned, there are only two sharp corners at Hong Kong, the hairpin and the first hard right after the start/finish line. Figure those two corners out and you will gain seconds on your lap time.
On the back straight before the really sharp hairpin, you need to be braking way early, swing wide and take that corner with a tight late apex. I was loosing easy a second a lap right there until I finally figured that out. Give up the time before the corner and gain it back two fold coming out.
On the corner right after the start/finish line, spend some time there figuring that out too. If I recall correctly, I was making the sharp part of the turn clear over at the left side of the track after the start/finish (not over at the turn) and then arching through the turn itself enabling me to be already feathering back on the gas.
Literally, by doing the above things and taking the practice time, I cut 7 seconds off my initial lap times which ended up translating into 2+ minutes faster over the course of the race.
Edit: Pick lines that do not include curbs and rumble strips at Hong Kong!
Hope this helps...
phattboy
phattboy
Finally, a most ususeble consise answer to many questions by many others. Vehicle type, it's settings and how to drive it.
Just one more question, does what you said above translate to you successfully placing 1st in all 10 races sequentially?
If So, cudos. my last attempt on HK 3, did not workout i placed second after pitting half way as previously noted, i can usually get 2nd anyways, usually.
Maybe, sucking up to this point was not so evident. i will try PHATTBOY PHILOS next, i dont want to walk through this series in the F1 car but on the other hand I like my TV without my PS2 controler amognst a million frags of glass inside the CRT.
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HsMjsty
...million frags of glass inside the CRT... I hear you 👍
As for the 10 straight:
Not on my first time through the series but when I went back, actually, yes it does mean 1st in all 10 races sequentially (couple of times in both a-spec and b-spec, different cars each edit: meaning all a-spec a couple of times and all b-spec a couple of times in different cars each time)... Doing it in the BMW or one of the Pesky's was easier I thought...
I happen to like the series and was trying to learn how to set up the LMP cars so I could run them with my DS2 cause I don't run a wheel. Bugger tough for the ole phattboy's thumbs. Figured out Hong Kong wasn't so much about power as it was strategy and lines.
When I beat this series with the barge (Nissan R390) or the Pug (speaking of a Frenchman on a slow boat to China), then you can give me a 👍
phattboy
tried A-spec, but I rlly don't have much control over my Minolta....also, although the races are not to the extent of endurance races, they still are pretty long....This championship is one of the few in which i resorted to B-spec....
One of my main problems is probably the gear ratio....for some reason the car tops out too quickly, and i end up redlining alot; and the last time i tried messin with the ratio, the game went crazy on me (i extended the gears [less acceleration, more speed] and when i started the next race the car barely moved, i thought tht mayb i had overdone it, so i moved it bak a little bit and still had the same problem)....and "default" doesn't seem too help the situation much.... Anyone willing to share wat their settings are at? I already beat the championship, but i had to B-spec. I'm seriously in need of a "workin" Minolta in order to tackle Extreme races.
*By the way, thtz another thing....for some reason the B-spec driver has NO PROBLEMS....EVER....wit the minolta, at ~1140 he overlaps ppl lik it waz nothing new.....(B-Spec: 4500)
One of my main problems is probably the gear ratio....for some reason the car tops out too quickly, and i end up redlining alot; and the last time i tried messin with the ratio, the game went crazy on me (i extended the gears [less acceleration, more speed] and when i started the next race the car barely moved, i thought tht mayb i had overdone it, so i moved it bak a little bit and still had the same problem)....and "default" doesn't seem too help the situation much.... Anyone willing to share wat their settings are at? I already beat the championship, but i had to B-spec. I'm seriously in need of a "workin" Minolta in order to tackle Extreme races.
*By the way, thtz another thing....for some reason the B-spec driver has NO PROBLEMS....EVER....wit the minolta, at ~1140 he overlaps ppl lik it waz nothing new.....(B-Spec: 4500)
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- JMarine25
Well, a GT World Championship race is at least 15 minutes long. So with these super-fast cars, your ride has to endure those 15 or so minutes while making at least one pit stop (if you have to). This reminds me of "Le Mans 24 Hours," whereas most of the later races was 10 or 15 laps long, and a pit stop was needed so that you don't DNF or anything. And oh yeah, HANG IN THERE!
I've seen mentioning of the Jaguar XJR8, Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR, Minolta Toyota 88C-V, Nissan R89CP and R92CP, Pescarolo C60, and some others. Have anyone found success in GTWC with a car other than the ones mentioned?
I've seen mentioning of the Jaguar XJR8, Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR, Minolta Toyota 88C-V, Nissan R89CP and R92CP, Pescarolo C60, and some others. Have anyone found success in GTWC with a car other than the ones mentioned?
Aside from the group C cars, this championship can be won with a stock Toyota GT One( I tried it a couple nights ago). I would suggest to not attempt to win this series with a Toyota 7 race car, unless you want a real challenge. I was able to win in Tokyo with that car, but on more technical tracks, like the ever famous Hong Kong, it proved to be a huge undertaking, as I only managed third place. I have more experience now, so things may be different, but try to obtain an LMP or GT1 class car(modified for those who want to B - Spec) if you're having problems.
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The "Tranny Trick":
To set up their transmissions, a lot of Gran Turismo players use the old GT3 "Tranny Trick": Slide the Final adjuster full right to 5.000 (or 5.500 on some cars). Now slide the Autoset full right to 25, then back full left to 1 and leave it there. Your six-speed (or five-speed) now has a nice set of evenly-spaced close-ratio gears, and you didn't have to tediously set each individual gear ratio.
Now go back and set the Final ratio for each track. You want to redline in sixth gear just before your braking point on the longest straight. Its not a bad idea to make note of the Final for each track with each car you set it for, so you won't have to spend time testing for it again.
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- JMarine25
It's always nice to find new tricks for a Gran Turismo game, isn't it?
Allow me to introduce you to a car I recently bought in the game, the PlayStation Pescarolo Courage C60 (2004 version). After some suspension tuning, this thing is perhaps one of the coolest-handling cars I've ever raced in a GT game. I'm testing it right now at Grand Valley after getting a Stage 3 Turbo. What this car lacks in horsepower and speed, it can make up for with precise handling. In GT World Championship, you may end up facing this machine. It may not the Audi R8, but it's a sweet machine to have at least to unlock in Arcade Mode. I had to sell a bunch of cars that didn't really work well for me anymore in order to get one.
Would I recommend this machine for GT World Championship? I think if you can make enough horsepower and get as much speed and acceleration, this should be the car for you. Only thing I'm trying to work on is getting as much speed and acceleration as I can (without a Stage 4, because Stage 4 isn't really suitable for high speed unless your setup can take it). I'll keep working. I know this can be a wonderful car, I'm just trying to find the right chemistry heading into Gran Turismo All-Stars.
There are many cars you can choose from, but I'd probably recommend the El Capitan Endurance for the Minolta Toyota 88C-V, or if you want a tougher event, then the Fuji 1000km is your ticket to freedom for the Nissan R92CP. So my recommendations for cars you can race to win is an all-Japanese selection (except the French Pescarolo Courage C60). Now go get 'em!
Allow me to introduce you to a car I recently bought in the game, the PlayStation Pescarolo Courage C60 (2004 version). After some suspension tuning, this thing is perhaps one of the coolest-handling cars I've ever raced in a GT game. I'm testing it right now at Grand Valley after getting a Stage 3 Turbo. What this car lacks in horsepower and speed, it can make up for with precise handling. In GT World Championship, you may end up facing this machine. It may not the Audi R8, but it's a sweet machine to have at least to unlock in Arcade Mode. I had to sell a bunch of cars that didn't really work well for me anymore in order to get one.
Would I recommend this machine for GT World Championship? I think if you can make enough horsepower and get as much speed and acceleration, this should be the car for you. Only thing I'm trying to work on is getting as much speed and acceleration as I can (without a Stage 4, because Stage 4 isn't really suitable for high speed unless your setup can take it). I'll keep working. I know this can be a wonderful car, I'm just trying to find the right chemistry heading into Gran Turismo All-Stars.
There are many cars you can choose from, but I'd probably recommend the El Capitan Endurance for the Minolta Toyota 88C-V, or if you want a tougher event, then the Fuji 1000km is your ticket to freedom for the Nissan R92CP. So my recommendations for cars you can race to win is an all-Japanese selection (except the French Pescarolo Courage C60). Now go get 'em!
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So does the C60 handle better than the 88C-V then?
Might buy one if they're very nice to handle, the C60s were the only major competition on my GTworld Series.
Might buy one if they're very nice to handle, the C60s were the only major competition on my GTworld Series.
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Polyphony001
I wouldn't go quite that far to say they handle better... The Peskys are nice and they are stable but not any moreso than the Minolta IMHO. They are also lacking in some go juice but, then again, that makes the race more fun in my opinion. 👍 Worth buying but I wouldn't expect them to be any more than what they are.
phattboy
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- JMarine25
I like to look at the Courage C60 as what Honda was to Autobacs Super GT. I thought the Mugen/Dome NSX race cars had more handling than horsepower, and the Pescarolos (by the way, nothing pesky about a Pescarolo, you dig?) are great machines with great power. Now I kind of wished I had enough to get an Audi R8 or something, but the C60 (and in this context, I'm talking about the 2004 model, not the 2003 model) has great handling and only need some suspension tuning for better handling. If you have money, get a Stage 3 Turbo for it when you make it into the bigtime races with R92CP's, 88C-V's, 787B's, and ABC-123's 
... Anyhow, nice car. Even if you just want to unlock it in Arcade Mode, the 2004 Pescarolo C60 is a great buy and will serve you well with proper tuning. If you're going to practice using it, I prefer tracks like Grand Valley, Costa di Amalfi, and if you have guts, Nurburgring Nordschleife.
The Fuji 1000km can present you with a Nissan R92CP, and I B-Spec'ed the nearly 4-hour race. With an oil change and no other horsepower modifications, the R92CP peaks out at 1,001 horsepower! And unlike the Escudo, you won't have a lot of trouble road racing with it. So for both cars, you're looking at about... 7 or 8 hours total just for two great race cars. Is it worth it all? Well, do you want to win, or do you want to WIN? Race the El Capitan endurance, then take the prize car to the Fuji 1000km. You'll have perhaps the best two cars in the game when you win both endurances. And they will work a long way for you to eventually rule Gran Turismo 4.
... Anyhow, nice car. Even if you just want to unlock it in Arcade Mode, the 2004 Pescarolo C60 is a great buy and will serve you well with proper tuning. If you're going to practice using it, I prefer tracks like Grand Valley, Costa di Amalfi, and if you have guts, Nurburgring Nordschleife.The Fuji 1000km can present you with a Nissan R92CP, and I B-Spec'ed the nearly 4-hour race. With an oil change and no other horsepower modifications, the R92CP peaks out at 1,001 horsepower! And unlike the Escudo, you won't have a lot of trouble road racing with it. So for both cars, you're looking at about... 7 or 8 hours total just for two great race cars. Is it worth it all? Well, do you want to win, or do you want to WIN? Race the El Capitan endurance, then take the prize car to the Fuji 1000km. You'll have perhaps the best two cars in the game when you win both endurances. And they will work a long way for you to eventually rule Gran Turismo 4.
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Did all races, all a-spec, all gold with Audi 8 race car. Big exercise in concentration. Start hong kong on med/soft tyres, change to med/hard on lap six and win by 20 odd seconds or so. Practice and qual in first for each race. Audi handles better than a pesky, much better at speed and under brakes. Changed LSD. ACC 6, 58 for the one in the middle, and decel 7. Put on biggest turbo. play with dampers and stabilisers untill the car handles each track and you can push it.
Change tyre stategies, sometimes hards and no pit works but mostly softer tyres to establish a lead then a change to harder tyres if needed to finsh the race.
Never give up!
Foghorn _ PAL version a-spec racer.
Change tyre stategies, sometimes hards and no pit works but mostly softer tyres to establish a lead then a change to harder tyres if needed to finsh the race.
Never give up!
Foghorn _ PAL version a-spec racer.
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maxter
There are a couple of threads discussing this and the general consensus from when I searched and read those threads is:
1- Make sure you raced all the previous races in beginner and pro. If the race venue is as individual races, you need gold in all of them. If they are a series, you need to make sure you raced it as a series and beat the series(not as individual races).
2- Check your prize cars/diary against the prize list at the top of this forum to find out which one you missed.
3- Check to make sure you have gold in the individual venues... Look hard because bronze and gold look pretty close in color.
4- Some are even starting to say they think there might be a bug of some sort where under certain conditions this happens.
5- You may want to make sure you have all your licenses in order for the race as well
If you haven't already, go read those threads for more information.
Hope it helps,
phattboy
This has been a good read. I am about to start that race tonight. I plan on trying the 350Z LM car. With it stock I was only a couple seconds off the leaders pace (the R92C) on Grand Valley. I am going to upgrade the turbo and see how close I can get to the competition after tuning the car. Maybe I'll luck out.
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Good luck!👍
BTW, have you read this write-up?
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=61239
phattboy
BTW, have you read this write-up?
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=61239
phattboy
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- JMarine25
Not to take anything from the Pescarolo race cars, they have lovely handling. Usually, I've had a sort of reciprocity when it comes to cars. When it comes to cars in Gran Turismo games, I've had a notion that for every good-handling car, it suffers from horsepower and/or top speed. Likewise, for every car with good top speed and/or horsepower, it suffers from good handling. GT World Championship is like the Super Bowl, the World Series, the Final Four, and all that. When you're done with the other available race series, you have to step up to Gran Turismo's grandest stage- the GT World Championship. Since the cars are fast, you'll need a car that can keep up with everyone else and win where it matters most. Here's my GT4 history:
Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR: ran a few races, failed
Jaguar XJR8: ran a few races, won some races, failed to continue
Minolta Toyota 88C-V: ran the championship, lapped in one race, won title
But if I were you and you want to even things up, I'd say race these endurances in order: El Capitan 200, take prize car (purchase tires and set them up Hard/Super Hard) and race the Fuji 1000km. Then all you have to do is choose one, and race your heart out.
Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR: ran a few races, failed
Jaguar XJR8: ran a few races, won some races, failed to continue
Minolta Toyota 88C-V: ran the championship, lapped in one race, won title
But if I were you and you want to even things up, I'd say race these endurances in order: El Capitan 200, take prize car (purchase tires and set them up Hard/Super Hard) and race the Fuji 1000km. Then all you have to do is choose one, and race your heart out.
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phattboy
Done that,all gold in individual races as well as in Championships...
phattboy
Thanks, will check that... maybe a problem as I have got rid of some...
phattboy
Nope, all gold...
phattboy
I think this is a possibility, maybe not a bug, but wierd logic.
phattboy
Got them all, but also maybe a problem as I did not have all when I started the beginners Championships...
phattboy
Thanks for your time, it was much appreciated.
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- Glasgow
- GTP_Mars
Selling the prize cars could well be an issue... see this thread as well...
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=61233&page=2&pp=20
As a rule, I decided never to sell anything (especially prize cars), but I wonder how many other people who have this problem with progressing in the game have sold the prize cars?
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=61233&page=2&pp=20
As a rule, I decided never to sell anything (especially prize cars), but I wonder how many other people who have this problem with progressing in the game have sold the prize cars?
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Touring Mars
Thanks Mars, I guess I'll have to go through the list and re-do those Championships that have cars that have been sold...
Another thing, is there any limit on the game percentage played before being able to access the GTWC? Someone told me that it was not available before 25%, but I have not heard that before on this board.
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- Glasgow
- GTP_Mars
maxter
No, the 25% thing only applies to the Endurance Hall... you can access GTWC and hence Extreme Hall before this...
With the Championship (series) races, you can win the prize car as many times as you do the series, but this isn't the case with the 'Single Race' events, so if you've sold those cars, you won't get them back, unless you can trade (buy) them from someone else's memory card... anyone who sold the Shigeno Trueno in GT3 will know all too well about that...
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