NEW DLC (TWIN RING MOTEGI & Scion FR-S'12)

[GTP_Monkey]

One thing that frustrates me is that I'll have to buy a $20 PSN card for a $5 track.

You dont have to pay that way, I assume you dont trust the use of a card, Neither do I really but what I do is enter my card details into the account im purchasing on, go to the store and buy the goods then after loading said goods go back to your account details and delete the card details. This takes only 5 minutes and completely safe. The chances of being hacked during those few moments are millions to one, And you dont leave them on there system.

Edit sorry I assumed you have a card if not then your correct PSN card is probably the only way.

 

[Gejabo]

I not blaming PD as I'm sure Developers aren't the ones that decide pricing(The big Publishers paying them to make the games are), I'm just pointing how seemingly Austrialia almost always gets the shaft when it comes to pricing.

Yes I understand, I quoted the wrong post.
It was still early here, need another coffee

 

[ch3ng]

You dont have to pay that way, I assume you dont trust the use of a card, Neither do I really but what I do is enter my card details into the account im purchasing on, go to the store and buy the goods then after loading said goods go back to your account details and delete the card details. This takes only 5 minutes and completely safe. The chances of being hacked during those few moments are millions to one, And you dont leave them on there system.

Edit sorry I assumed you have a card if not then your correct PSN card is probably the only way.

Some companies Save Data you delete.

One thing that frustrates me is that I'll have to buy a $20 PSN card for a $5 track.

Well. Just Save the 15$ or buy other Content.

 

[GTP_Monkey]

"quoting silly prices"?
My example simply proved that what you said was false. The fact that you think I was even remotely suggesting that those prices could actually be dlc prices demonstrates the reason with which you are making your argument, or lack thereof. I could have said £50million, the only point was that even you have a limit. EVERYONE does, and it is not for you or anyone else to pass judgment on what others think is good value.
"If you don't like it, don't buy it" is about as inane a comment as it gets. The only people you are attempting to get through to are those with no concept of money! Even "dat's gud price me want" is a more intellectually advanced comment.

Please point me in the direction where Ive stated its wether its good value or not, I havent purposely said anything to the effect either way. All Im saying is I will buy it whatever the price.
My aim is to have all that is avaible to me hence my purchase of both the Signature and collectors editions.
It is purely my opinion but if a particular person slags of the price as too expensive then buys it is being hypocritical. if you want it you will buy price is imaterial really you have to pay so why whinge.

Also I see folk from all over the world quoting different prices, Now have I missed something here, The Italians have taken it off the network, there havent been any other links to pricing so How do they know what its going to cost. Especially as there hasnt been any other release.

 

[thelvynau]

Please point me in the direction where Ive stated its wether its good value or not, I havent purposely said anything to the effect either way. All Im saying is I will buy it whatever the price.
My aim is to have all that is avaible to me hence my purchase of both the Signature and collectors editions.
It is purely my opinion but if a particular person slags of the price as too expensive then buys it is being hypocritical. if you want it you will buy price is imaterial really you have to pay so why whinge.

Also I see folk from all over the world quoting different prices, Now have I missed something here, The Italians have taken it off the network, there havent been any other links to pricing so How do they know what its going to cost. Especially as there hasnt been any other release.

Based off the fact Australia has paid a certain percentage more than the rest of the world this is all based off the pattern that has already emerged people say 5 bucks is cheap and i agree but i know once it hits australian shores it will be at least double price, It was the same way with previous DLC.

 

[GTP_Monkey]

Some companies Save Data you delete.



Well. Just Save the 15$ or buy other Content.

Not sure here but didnt Sony state that they dont store details since the Hack of last year. But yes if you do leave your details in your account then its stored.
Again Im not sure for other counties but here in the UK if there is a fraudulant claim on credit cards we are covered so we dont lose anything, Im sure most countries have similar systems in place. And NO I dont use a debit card card to pay as there not covered.

 

[Samus]

WHY IS EVERYONE HAVING A ISSUE WITH MOTEGI'S PRICE! COME ON it has like, 4 layouts in it. YET still the price is an issue. I had a issue with it but got over it. Some of you guys here are somethin else.

It has two layouts, the other two variations are tiny and not worth any extra.

 

[NOSWaster]

It has two layouts, the other two variations are tiny and not worth any extra.

To you, they aren't. I happen to like the West course and Super Speedway on Motegi quite a lot. Just because two of the layouts aren't valuable to you doesn't make them worthless to everyone else.

 

[thelvynau]

To you, they aren't. I happen to like the West course and Super Speedway on Motegi quite a lot. Just because two of the layouts aren't valuable to you doesn't make them worthless to everyone else.

Agreed it depends on the person I like this track but I won't be buying it because Australia gets shafted on price.

So ill be running the track in forza if it was $5 au then I would definately buy it.

 

[Samus]

To you, they aren't. I happen to like the West course and Super Speedway on Motegi quite a lot. Just because two of the layouts aren't valuable to you doesn't make them worthless to everyone else.

I'm talking about the cost, not whether I like them. People are saying it's worth more than Spa and Kart Space because it has four layouts but I'm saying only two of them are truly unique, the full road course and the oval. The other two layouts are based 95% on the full course with a tiny part of unique track on each. So, why does it cost more, especially since it was in GT4 so they didn't have to start from scratch like Spa and Kart Space, meaning less devtime?

Those two grey lines, that is two of your four variations.

 

[thelvynau]

I agree with Simon on this dlc is good but not when they rip you off on rehashed stuff.

 

[GTP_Monkey]

I'm talking about the cost, not whether I like them. People are saying it's worth more than Spa and Kart Space because it has four layouts but I'm saying only two of them are truly unique, the full road course and the oval. The other two layouts are based 95% on the full course with a tiny part of unique track on each. So, why does it cost more, especially since it was in GT4 so they didn't have to start from scratch like Spa and Kart Space, meaning less devtime?

Those two grey lines, that is two of your four variations.

I would assume it costs more because they have to program them as individual curcuits so any can be selected.

 

[GTP_Monkey]

I agree with Simon on this dlc is good but not when they rip you off on rehashed stuff.

How can you be "ripped off" when you have not bought it yet, Its not available yet. PMSL

And we still dont know the correct price. Classic.

 

[sinbad]

I would assume it costs more because they have to program them as individual curcuits so any can be selected.

Lol good one! Oh, you probably think that's true.

 

[Samus]

I would assume it costs more because they have to program them as individual curcuits so any can be selected.

Yeah, sure thing.

 

[Kobooi]

Those two grey lines, that is two of your four variations.

I see a possibility for 8 variations. 16 if you include reverse direction. Much more if you allow crossing. They *should* charge £50 million for so many tracks. But allow to play it online even though you didn't buy it, so we can all join Mark's room.

 

[thelvynau]

How can you be "ripped off" when you have not bought it yet, Its not available yet. PMSL

And we still dont know the correct price. Classic.

Going by the logical line of thinking that every dlc for Australia has been over priced this won't be any different.

Try following the trends of what's happened previously to allow you to predict what will happen given the same flow hasn't changed its not too difficult to realise the same trend follows.

And as such Australia were ripped off in the past and thus will be again.

Its not too hard of a concept to grasp.

 

[Gejabo]

I see a possibility for 8 variations. 16 if you include reverse direction. Much more if you allow crossing. They *should* charge £50 million for so many tracks. But allow to play it online even though you didn't buy it, so we can all join Mark's room.

For real tracks they never use reverse variations

 

[GTP_Monkey]

Going by the logical line of thinking that every dlc for Australia has been over priced this won't be any different.

Try following the trends of what's happened previously to allow you to predict what will happen given the same flow hasn't changed its not too difficult to realise the same trend follows.

And as such Australia were ripped off in the past and thus will be again.

Its not too hard of a concept to grasp.

I fully understand the concept, I dont understand why you lot get your nickers in a twist when there IS NO concrete priceiing structure yet.

 

[GTP_Monkey]

Lol good one! Oh, you probably think that's true.

Yeah, sure thing.

You 2 know nothing about programming then. Or maybe I wasnt clear enough.
to implement the smaller tracks in question you have to remap it ( I dont mean re-program each curcuit ) so indivudual tracks can be selected. And Simon is partly correct when he states the 2 very small portions, But to select as a user the east curcuit you dont get the full curcuit with the added part PD have to take away the unused part of the full curcuit then as Simon states "add in the small part" then remap it so when you select the east track that is what you get. If this work is not done and a remap is not finished, When the add that small part you wil get the full curcuit. Hope thats clear enough.

 

[thelvynau]

I fully understand the concept, I dont understand why you lot get your nickers in a twist when there IS NO concrete priceiing structure yet.

Not so much in a twist more my reasoning is why pay double or triple what the rest of the world pays for something I can play for free on forza now if the pricing reflected other countries I would probably buy it so I can play it on gt5

 

[sinbad]

You 2 know nothing about programming then. Or maybe I wasnt clear enough.
to implement the smaller tracks in question you have to remap it ( I dont mean re-program each curcuit ) so indivudual tracks can be selected. And Simon is partly correct when he states the 2 very small portions, But to select as a user the east curcuit you dont get the full curcuit with the added part PD have to take away the unused part of the full curcuit then as Simon states "add in the small part" then remap it so when you select the east track that is what you get. If this work is not done and a remap is not finished, When the add that small part you wil get the full curcuit. Hope thats clear enough.

And you think the process of defining different configurations from a fully modelled complete "environment" is a more time consuming/expensive process than creating an entirely new environment (kart space), why?

 

[GTP_Monkey]

And you think the process of defining different configurations from a fully modelled complete "environment" is a more time consuming/expensive process than creating an entirely new environment (kart space), why?

Ok i will try to explain as simple as possible
first lets forget the oval as that doesnt figure in the other 3.
Track 1 = full road curcuit.
Track 2 = east course.
Track 3 = west course.
So PD develop and map out Track 1. to get to track 2 they have to delete xxx amount of tract 1 Add in small portion and then rename it (work that needs to be paid for) time consuming. same for track 3.
As a user you will then have access to 3 different tracks all with diferent titles.

And ffs stop making out things I havent said, Ive not said anything whatsoever about costing more or less to develop than Kart space. People like your self read into things that are not there. Why ask me a question on a comment YOU made.

If when PD release this and it costs more than Spa/kartspace, So what.

When I purchased a loaf of bread last year it was XXX yesterday I purchased another loaf of bread and it cost YYY. Inflation might just have a little bearing on it. Get over it.

 

[awr117]

It's rather simple. Don't purchase it if you feel it is overpriced. Me? I'm picking it up on the day it's released.

 

[thelvynau]

It's rather simple. Don't purchase it if you feel it is overpriced. Me? I'm picking it up on the day it's released.

I'm not picking it up and your right that's my choice but discussing it is part of being a member of a forum.

 

[sinbad]

Ok i will try to explain as simple as possible
first lets forget the oval as that doesnt figure in the other 3.
Track 1 = full road curcuit.
Track 2 = east course.
Track 3 = west course.
So PD develop and map out Track 1. to get to track 2 they have to delete xxx amount of tract 1 Add in small portion and then rename it (work that needs to be paid for) time consuming. same for track 3.
As a user you will then have access to 3 different tracks all with diferent titles.

And ffs stop making out things I havent said, Ive not said anything whatsoever about costing more or less to develop than Kart space. People like your self read into things that are not there. Why ask me a question on a comment YOU made.

If when PD release this and it costs more than Spa/kartspace, So what.

When I purchased a loaf of bread last year it was XXX yesterday I purchased another loaf of bread and it cost YYY. Inflation might just have a little bearing on it. Get over it.

I'm tired of your ignorant knowitallism, but look at the post you quoted with your response about why you think a multi config layout should cost more.

 

[GTP_Monkey]

I'm tired of your ignorant knowitallism, but look at the post you quoted with your response about why you think a multi config layout should cost more.

If your tired of reading my posts, Dont read them use the ignore button. Simples.

 

[thelvynau]

Just a question when making different sections or stages of a track I always thought it loaded the entire track and barriers separated them.

So the question is if that's true how much extra work would it be to put the barriers in?

 

[GTP_Monkey]

Just a question when making different sections or stages of a track I always thought it loaded the entire track and barriers separated them.

So the question is if that's true how much extra work would it be to put the barriers in?

Its not a case of just putting the barriers in there are a whole heap of things to modify, Timing points, track lengh information as loaded on screen at the begining, the new small section to be added, the rest of the course that cannot be seen needs to be removed as it will use up RAM. Just a few things of my head without even thinking.
I really dont understand these comparisons with Spa etc, We haven't been given a firm price yet and the rumoured price is only peanuts difference.
It beats me why people moan moan moan wanting DLC then when it comes they moan moan moan about the prices since the 1st DLC. You should all be happy PD are releasing it.

 

[Samus]

Its not a case of just putting the barriers in there are a whole heap of things to modify, Timing points, track lengh information as loaded on screen at the begining, the new small section to be added, the rest of the course that cannot be seen needs to be removed as it will use up RAM. Just a few things of my head without even thinking.
I really dont understand these comparisons with Spa etc, We haven't been given a firm price yet and the rumoured price is only peanuts difference.
It beats me why people moan moan moan wanting DLC then when it comes they moan moan moan about the prices since the 1st DLC. You should all be happy PD are releasing it.

Yeah, it really doesn't take that much time. They're devs, they've been doing this forever and know what they're doing.

As for your last point as I said in another thread, just because people really want DLC doesn't mean to be happy with what they're given.