NEW DLC (TWIN RING MOTEGI & Scion FR-S'12)

[ZoidFile]

Ok i will try to explain as simple as possible
first lets forget the oval as that doesnt figure in the other 3.
Track 1 = full road curcuit.
Track 2 = east course.
Track 3 = west course.
So PD develop and map out Track 1. to get to track 2 they have to delete xxx amount of tract 1 Add in small portion and then rename it (work that needs to be paid for) time consuming. same for track 3.
As a user you will then have access to 3 different tracks all with diferent titles.

There is a drawing distance, everything thats too far away will not be drawn. No need to "remove" it. If the track runs in it's biggest configuration it will run in it's shortest configuration as well. Sure some things have to be changed, like the driving line, sector markers, starting grid and so one. But that not so much work.

Btw, for the first time I think the price is too high as well.

 

[ch3ng]

I really dont understand these comparisons with Spa etc, We haven't been given a firm price yet and the rumoured price is only peanuts difference.

The SPA DLC cost 4$. You get 2 new Tracks in the GT Franchise. A New Track cost alot more Time then different Layouts.

You should all be happy PD are releasing it.

No we shouldn't. Different opinions should be allowed.

There is a drawing distance, everything thats too far away will not be drawn. No need to "remove" it. If the track runs in it's biggest configuration it will run in it's shortest configuration as well. Sure some things have to be changed, like the driving line, sector markers, starting grid and so one. But that not so much work.

Btw, for the first time I think the price is too high as well.

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[cally-dave]

I can see the reasons as to why some people are complaining over the price of the upcoming track DLC when compared to the Spa/Kart Space DLC, and I look at the answer like this:

Spa and Kart Space was given at an introductory offer tk the DLC, same for Car Pack 1.

If you go to your local newsagents, you can buy issue 1 of a magazine, that enables you to build your own model car. The 1st issue is an introductory price of say 99c, whereas every issue after is 2.50.

5quid for 4 variations of a track is cheap, and at the end of the day, time has been spent porting the track over, upgrading the overall quality of the textures etc etc.

If the complainers don't purchase it, it will be no skin off my nose, and will be a few less people stopping me getting in the online lobbies when it does become available!

 

[Tornado]

You 2 know nothing about programming then.

Oh HAI. I do, so let's go over this:

Ok i will try to explain as simple as possible
first lets forget the oval as that doesnt figure in the other 3.
Track 1 = full road curcuit.
Track 2 = east course.
Track 3 = west course.
So PD develop and map out Track 1. to get to track 2 they have to delete xxx amount of tract 1 Add in small portion and then rename it (work that needs to be paid for) time consuming. same for track 3.
As a user you will then have access to 3 different tracks all with diferent titles.

Nope. None of this stuff takes any particular effort to do compared to actually making the full course. Especially not when it is entirely possible (and very likely) that a lot of the actual code changes (checkpoint locations, basic AI lines, braking indicator zones) were ported directly from GT4. In fact, the simple act of making the full course takes care of most of that by itself, since a lot of the stuff is implemented in the full course anyway. They aren't throwing everything from the full course out and doing it again for the short courses.



For crying out loud, you're going so far as to literally say that listing the variations in the track menu and changing the names of them constitutes costly extra development work.

And you are right. It does. Minutes of extra work.

 

[Boxout]

I don't want to sound like a prick but.

Mostly everyone here was moaning for some DLC on the past weeks, there were a lot of threads (you can look for them if you want) and now that we finally get something new you guys aren't happy.

I do realize is a track ported from GT4 and 5$ for it is a bit too much for you when it isn't for me, i play a game called NFS World, there you have to deal with the price of 20$ for ONE car, not a car pack but one single model. My point is could be much worst, you're paying $5 but you receive 1 track with 3 variations and an Oval. So be glad we finally have some 'new' DLC

All i hope is they're holding back Car Pack 4 and introduce it later

 

[Pit Crew]

To those who can't access the link:

Motegi has 4 configurations, including Super Speedway (OVAL), full course, east and west.
And Scion FR-S for free.

The Oval has no banking right? WooHoo Short Track Shoot Outs online.

 

[Jawehawk]

I might be wrong here, but I do believe that paying for the license to use and possibly laser scan a track, is way more expensive than the amount of money needed to model the track.

 

[TypeRDC5]

I won't comment on the price of motegi until we get an official price for the uk, but i will say price will be the deciding factor on whether i do buy it or not as it's not a great track in my opinion.

 

[Pit Crew]

I don't want to sound like a prick but.

Mostly everyone here was moaning for some DLC on the past weeks, there were a lot of threads (you can look for them if you want) and now that we finally get something new you guys aren't happy.

I do realize is a track ported from GT4 and 5$ for it is a bit too much for you when it isn't for me, i play a game called NFS World, there you have to deal with the price of 20$ for ONE car, not a car pack but one single model. My point is could be much worst, you're paying $5 but you receive 1 track with 3 variations and an Oval. So be glad we finally have some 'new' DLC

All i hope is they're holding back Car Pack 4 and introduce it later

Whoa, 20 bucks for one car? Shameful of EA to charge that outrageous price. I guess we felt PD could offer more, so some of us are a tad peeved (3 Free Identical Car Platforms) at the concept of more Duplicate Models.

 

[Tornado]

The Oval has no banking right? WooHoo Short Track Shoot Outs online.

It's got banking. Really shallow, though. 10 degrees.

 

[Samus]

I might be wrong here, but I do believe that paying for the license to use and possibly laser scan a track, is way more expensive than the amount of money needed to model the track.

PD haven't laser scanned a single track, they clearly used their GT4 data (which wasn't laser scanned) and just updated it. As for license, well I'm sure it was cheaper than Spa given the relative importance and interest in the respective circuits. Also with the track being owned by Honda I'm sure as a Japanese developer with ties to them I'm they got a discount compared to other companies such as Turn 10.

 

[Jawehawk]

PD haven't laser scanned a single track, they clearly used their GT4 data (which wasn't laser scanned) and just updated it. As for license, well I'm sure it was cheaper than Spa given the relative importance and interest in the respective circuits. Also with the track being owned by Honda I'm sure as a Japanese developer with ties to them I'm they got a discount compared to other companies such as Turn 10.

Isn't the Nurburgring laser scanned? I'd be surprised if it wasn't, seeing as they claim that the track is accurate down to a 15mm difference. If not, then I guess Bathurst is going to be the first laser scanned track to ever appear in a GT game?

Where have you gotten the idea that PD has any special ties to Honda? Other than car licenses, I'm not aware of any ties between them. I don't know how much it costs to aquire a track license, though I imagine it's a decent amount of money.

 

[Squach240]

PD haven't laser scanned a single track, they clearly used their GT4 data and just updated it.

And that's a problem how... when they already had the track data?

Anyways, track is fair price. It's going to be fun.

 

[Samus]

Isn't the Nurburgring laser scanned? I'd be surprised if it wasn't, seeing as they claim that the track is accurate down to a 15mm difference. If not, then I guess Bathurst is going to be the first laser scanned track to ever appear in a GT game?

No, nobody has ever scanned the ring because it's not really plausible unless they're going to pay the owners to close it for two weeks. Laser scanning takes a long time on even a normal circuit, it would take a long, long time at the ring. So no.

They weren't laser scanning Bathurst, either.

Where have you gotten the idea that PD has any special ties to Honda? Other than car licenses, I'm not aware of any ties between them. I don't know how much it costs to aquire a track license, though I imagine it's a decent amount of money.

NSX concept appearing in a promo video suggests there are some ties. I'm not saying it's the same as Nissan but still clearly there is some connection. Yes licenses cost money but connection or not as I say I doubt the cost for a track like Motegi, one not really known outside of Japan is more than the license for Spa, a hugely famous and popular track worldwide.

And that's a problem how... when they already had the track data?

Anyways, track is fair price. It's going to be fun.

It's not a problem but it means it won't take as many man hours to build it and therefore shouldn't cost as much to the consumer, and yet it does.

I've still not seen any real reason provided why this track is seemingly going to cost more than Spa and Kart Track.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I don't want to sound like a prick but.

Mostly everyone here was moaning for some DLC on the past weeks, there were a lot of threads (you can look for them if you want) and now that we finally get something new you guys aren't happy.

I do realize is a track ported from GT4 and 5$ for it is a bit too much for you when it isn't for me, i play a game called NFS World, there you have to deal with the price of 20$ for ONE car, not a car pack but one single model. My point is could be much worst, you're paying $5 but you receive 1 track with 3 variations and an Oval. So be glad we finally have some 'new' DLC

All i hope is they're holding back Car Pack 4 and introduce it later

Exactly. I've noticed theres always a big deal whenever PD releases DLCs. Really complainers? You've asked for DLC, here it is. Next time if DLC gets delayed for the next few months. DON'T moan about it...

Oh by the way. I'm shocked of how NFS World that much for one car. O_O Than again I used be in a site called NFScars, miss that site. EA was crazy with the pricings.

 

[Samus]

Exactly. I've noticed theres always a big deal whenever PD releases DLCs. Really complainers? You've asked for DLC, here it is. Next time if DLC gets delayed for the next few months. DON'T moan about it...

Once again, please explain to me why wanting DLC in general means you're not allowed to dislike what you are given? Why do you HAVE to be happy with whatever you're given?

 

[ch3ng]

Once again, please explain to me why wanting DLC in general means you're not allowed to dislike what you are given? Why do you HAVE to be happy with whatever you're given?

I dont understand that too SimonK.

 

[Jawehawk]

They weren't laser scanning Bathurst, either.

My mistake. Just re-read the news article about it. I recalled it saying that PD was busy laser scanning the track, when in reality, they were just taking pictures and the like. My bad.

 

[another_jakhole]

http://techcrunch.com/2010/01/21/video-gran-turismo-5s-insane-data-logger-visualization-technology/


No? Yes? No? Yes.

 

[maxpontiac]

http://techcrunch.com/2010/01/21/video-gran-turismo-5s-insane-data-logger-visualization-technology/


No? Yes? No? Yes.

IMO, this feature (along with a Livery Editor) has been saved for GT6.

 

[Samus]

http://techcrunch.com/2010/01/21/video-gran-turismo-5s-insane-data-logger-visualization-technology/


No? Yes? No? Yes.

What does this have to do with the DLC, exactly?

I also don't really see the appeal of that, for the simple reason that we know it's very easy to go faster in game than the real world.

 

[another_jakhole]

What does this have to do with the DLC, exactly?

I also don't really see the appeal of that, for the simple reason that we know it's very easy to go faster in game than the real world.

Well.....

PD haven't laser scanned a single track, they clearly used their GT4 data (which wasn't laser scanned) and just updated it. As for license, well I'm sure it was cheaper than Spa given the relative importance and interest in the respective circuits. Also with the track being owned by Honda I'm sure as a Japanese developer with ties to them I'm they got a discount compared to other companies such as Turn 10.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/01/21/video-gran-turismo-5s-insane-data-logger-visualization-technology/


So how is the Data Logger possible if PD are as crappy as you say they are at modeling cars and tracks? They might not have done it for all tracks or they could have. Stop saying crap like it's a fact. They CLEARLY USED their GT4 data? Haven't laser-scanned a single track?

 

[Samus]

Well what? They didn't laser scan the track. Scanning =/= Laser scanning.

Where did I say PD were poor at modelling tracks? I simply said they haven't laser scanned it and used their GT4 data. I never said there was anything wrong with it.

 

[diegorborges]

Exactly. I've noticed theres always a big deal whenever PD releases DLCs. Really complainers? You've asked for DLC, here it is. Next time if DLC gets delayed for the next few months. DON'T moan about it...

Oh by the way. I'm shocked of how NFS World that much for one car. O_O Than again I used be in a site called NFScars, miss that site. EA was crazy with the pricings.

Been on NFScars for years! Even tried some modding back then. NFSHS times.

 

[Tornado]

Wait. Does he mean the same website? Because NFSCars is still around...

 

[t_w_a_h]

As someone said earlier in the thread, value is a subjective judgement based entirely on a individuals circumstances and opinions.

Given this, my view is that Motegi isn't going to provide me with any great value but due to the short oval track I may buy.

Spa was worth a day 1 purchase (despite it not coming with any additional events to actually use it with) as it is an iconic racing circuit used in many international series and is BRAND NEW to the GT series. I would literally pay money just to hot lap it. It's a bonus however that it happens to be a great circuit for online racing with it's "classic" overtaking spots.

Motegi on the other hand is a fairly region-specific circuit hosting largely domestic events and is recycled from previous iterations.

As I don't see it being a big hit online (it's too technical) I'm not really interested in the full circuit without some offline events to go with it. The oval is mildly interesting as online NASCAR is good fun but I'll wait and see what the uptake is.

To be honest, if they are recyling assests I would be WAY more inclined to spend money on a classic PD track pack with some of the series' old favourites re-visited in HD.

 

[TokoTurismo]

Once again, please explain to me why wanting DLC in general means you're not allowed to dislike what you are given? Why do you HAVE to be happy with whatever you're given?

Oh don't you try that on me. Did you not see all those threads asking when's the next DLC? It was showin on the italian site of GT5.

There was some issue going on with the car itself, even though its a free one. If it wasn't I could understand but damn.

And I didn't say you have to like EVERY DLC you like you said just now. Its just ridiculous as to how many are complaining about it. You knew Motegi was going to be DLC, now theres a big deal with it for some others, especially you. Not only the track, but the PRICE. Like your doing right now.

Hey, like others said. Its your choice to buy/not buy the DLC, nobody here is forcing you too... Think about it.

Been on NFScars for years! Even tried some modding back then. NFSHS times.

REALLY? O.O Are there any cars you've made? I'll love to see them.

Wait. Does he mean the same website? Because NFSCars is still around...

You bet. Theres so many cars taken from FM4 itself and other games puttin into old NFS games.

 

[Samus]

Oh don't you try that on me. Did you not see all those threads asking when's the next DLC? It was showin on the italian site of GT5.

There was some issue going on with the car itself, even though its a free one. If it wasn't I could understand but damn.

And I didn't say you have to like EVERY DLC you like you said just now. Its just ridiculous as to how many are complaining about it. You knew Motegi was going to be DLC, now theres a big deal with it for some others, especially you. Not only the track, but the PRICE. Like your doing right now.

Hey, like others said. Its your choice to buy/not buy the DLC, nobody here is forcing you too... Think about it.

No, but if we're not planning to buy it does that mean we're not allowed to post about it, and why we're not buying it/why we think it's bad value? In that case I could turn it around the other way, if you are buying it and think it's good value you don't need to post here and tell us that, just buy it.

That doesn't work, of course. This is a thread to discuss the DLC, if people are disappointed with said DLC, either the content or the price, they're perfectly entitled to post those feelings if it's within the AUP.

 

[Boxout]

Wait. Does he mean the same website? Because NFSCars is still around...

The forums there are a bit dead but there are still some active converters around.

 

[diegorborges]

REALLY? O.O Are there any cars you've made? I'll love to see them.

Oh, they were really crappy, nothing special... I used to add some stuff to already existing cars. The only remaining one on the site is this... a drift spec RX7. So many years ago! 💡:

A bit offtopic, but there you go:

http://www.nfscars.net/file/view/highstakes/1442.aspx