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Remove the stage 3 turbo
I did that, and dropped it an additional 50% using the power limiter. I stand at 350
New Drift and Time Trials
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I did that, and dropped it an additional 50% using the power limiter. I stand at 350
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DrKroninI did that, and dropped it an additional 50% using the power limiter. I stand at 350
350hp is the hp limit so it should be ok?
Jawehawk
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As I said above, the TT is based on getting around Fuji as fast as possible using any car that can be made to fall under the spec requirements. In this case, it is within the rules.
Sure, we can play semantics and say downgrading a supercar shouldn't be allowed, but by definition, it is allowed.
So, again, it's not cheating, it's exploiting.
Those that get mad at this sort of thing crack me up. Set your time, get your money and XP and move on. 👍
And that would all be fine and dandy if it weren't online.
Say I want to challenge myself on a time trial. A good way to do this is to look at the leaderboards and pick a specific time, done by some of the better drivers. It would be a real challenge to find a car that fit regulations, and to perfect both the car and your driving.
However, seeing as people just use the PL, there's no chance of beating any of the times with a car that fit the regulations. And so disappears the competitive aspect of the time travels.
I wouldn't give a damn if it was all in Single Player. But when you use exploits(which is pretty much the same as cheating) you are ruining the experience for others.
The trials were great. The Autumn Ring trial took me quite a few tries however my good old 240Z drift car finally got me the gold. Less than 300hp but it's set up quite nicely. The Toscana dirt stage was good fun. I know the purists will argue that power sliding a rally car on dirt shouldn't count as drifting but I don't care, it was good fun tossing around the C4 WRC with 10-90 power distribution.
Time trials were good. I just picked some random cars and went for it. For the Fuji trial I decided to start out with a RE Amemiya RX7. It only has 311hp but I said that since it's a GT300 car the handling might make up for it. Equiped sports mediums and started it up. One lap later I had the Gold. I was surprised but the car has superb handling and the standard gearing is suited for the track. 👍
The random pick for Eiger was a Mitsubishi CZ-3 tarmac. Mitsubishi, 4WD and there's a rally version of it so I still thought it would be a good car. Put on a couple bolt on mods (racing air filter, ecu tuning, sports catalytic converter and sports exhaust) that took it up to 290hp. Took it out for a couple laps and realized right away that the gearing wasn't going to cut it. The stock gears are so spaced out and the boost cuts in at a fairly high rpm. It was quite unresponsive even with the mods and wasn't picking up out of the corners fast enough, which is what you need on a dirt stage. Still was able to meet the silver time but I knew the car wouldn't be able to do a gold time in its current state. Went back to the tuning shop in search of responsiveness. Purchased a sports flywheel, single plate clutch and a close ratio transmission and tried again. Immediately the car was a completely different machine. The new gearbox kept the car up in the high rpms where it needed to be and when combined with the lighter flywheel and sportier clutch it was picking up perfectly out of the turns. On my second lap I went just under 1:10 and after a couple more laps I got down to 1:08. I imagine it could be quicker with more drivetrain mods and racing suspension but for now I'm definitely satisfied.
EDIT: The only aid I use is ABS 1, everything else off.
Time trials were good. I just picked some random cars and went for it. For the Fuji trial I decided to start out with a RE Amemiya RX7. It only has 311hp but I said that since it's a GT300 car the handling might make up for it. Equiped sports mediums and started it up. One lap later I had the Gold. I was surprised but the car has superb handling and the standard gearing is suited for the track. 👍
The random pick for Eiger was a Mitsubishi CZ-3 tarmac. Mitsubishi, 4WD and there's a rally version of it so I still thought it would be a good car. Put on a couple bolt on mods (racing air filter, ecu tuning, sports catalytic converter and sports exhaust) that took it up to 290hp. Took it out for a couple laps and realized right away that the gearing wasn't going to cut it. The stock gears are so spaced out and the boost cuts in at a fairly high rpm. It was quite unresponsive even with the mods and wasn't picking up out of the corners fast enough, which is what you need on a dirt stage. Still was able to meet the silver time but I knew the car wouldn't be able to do a gold time in its current state. Went back to the tuning shop in search of responsiveness. Purchased a sports flywheel, single plate clutch and a close ratio transmission and tried again. Immediately the car was a completely different machine. The new gearbox kept the car up in the high rpms where it needed to be and when combined with the lighter flywheel and sportier clutch it was picking up perfectly out of the turns. On my second lap I went just under 1:10 and after a couple more laps I got down to 1:08. I imagine it could be quicker with more drivetrain mods and racing suspension but for now I'm definitely satisfied.
EDIT: The only aid I use is ABS 1, everything else off.
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It's 345...
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RWD and 345 bhp. PD really doesn't do much to make the outcome of the time trial any different this time. Why don't they try to be a little more creative and add more restrictions such as a certain car model that players must use to enter? Then I would surely like to keep trying but I can't be bothered to compete in a handicapped LMP.
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- Lisbon, Portugal
That section is killing me! I can get the last two sectors two pretty well but I can't seem to get through the S part.
Me too. Can someone give advice on the best car and setup to use? I'm not even close to gold the autumn ring drift...
I know I suck at drifting but I could (sometimes barely) get golds until now.Help appreciated. 👍
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- woodski427
I golded the dirt (Toscana) drift trial in my Scooby drifter - the '58 360
. Maxed out it has about 60 bhp and weighs less than 400 kg. The hardest bit is keeping up speed for that long uphill right hander (I had to initiate 3 separate drifts).
The Autumn Ring I used an '84 Skyline Turbo - can't remember the model exactly, it has a few numbers after the name. Mildly modded to about 250 bhp and stage 1 and window weight reduction, I did have to put Comfort Softs on the front as it understeers really badly, but could probably dial this out with proper tuning. Think I scored about 11k points after three attempts.
Got the silver on Autumn Ring with the Scooby 360, it doesn't have enough pace to score big and the long right hander - it sort of grinds to a halt.
To those who are struggling with drifting (I'm new to it myself), I would suggest using a fairly modest car to start with - don't go straight for 500+ HP. That 84 Skyline is really good - responds well to the throttle and if you sort the understeer it easily initiates the drift. I reckon the 80's - early 90s Japanese RWD motors have got to be great starters for drifting.
. Maxed out it has about 60 bhp and weighs less than 400 kg. The hardest bit is keeping up speed for that long uphill right hander (I had to initiate 3 separate drifts).The Autumn Ring I used an '84 Skyline Turbo - can't remember the model exactly, it has a few numbers after the name. Mildly modded to about 250 bhp and stage 1 and window weight reduction, I did have to put Comfort Softs on the front as it understeers really badly, but could probably dial this out with proper tuning. Think I scored about 11k points after three attempts.
Got the silver on Autumn Ring with the Scooby 360, it doesn't have enough pace to score big and the long right hander - it sort of grinds to a halt.
To those who are struggling with drifting (I'm new to it myself), I would suggest using a fairly modest car to start with - don't go straight for 500+ HP. That 84 Skyline is really good - responds well to the throttle and if you sort the understeer it easily initiates the drift. I reckon the 80's - early 90s Japanese RWD motors have got to be great starters for drifting.
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- pedrocor
Well, there are 2 diferent units regarding power very similar and both present in the game.
There is Mechanical Horspower or Imperial Horsepower ant there is Metric Horsepower. Both are present in the game.
Well, 345 Imperial Horsepower is approximatively 350 Metric Horsepower.
For me, who play in Portuguese, the limit is 350 CV (Cavalo Vapor = Metric Horsepower), if I choose to use HP (Imperial Horsepower) the limit would be 345 HP.
That's why the European Union issued a directive in 2010 making the Watt (International System power unit) the mandatory power unit used in the automotive industry, to avoid confusion with power output values, using horsepower only as secundary unit.
1 kiloWatt = 1341 Imperial Horsepower = 1360 Metric Horsepower
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I've not personally tested the difference, do some people prefer comfort soft over sport mediums?
Hmm, engine power limiter is not cheating. It might not be ethical, but per the rules of the Time Trial challenge, it's perfectly legal.
The only rules are HP, weight, tires and any car that can meet the specs, can run. I detuned my 458 Italia to quickly run the Fuji one. Does that make me a cheater? I originally placed 36th (on Sports Hards because I forgot to put Meds on, lol) at around 11:35PM EST. I'm sure I'm around 25,000 by now.
Since the TT is not setup to say which car can/should be used, then all we have to go by is the specs they allow. Of course, in that case, people are going to detune their fastest cars, but isn't that really the point of the TT, to get around the track as fast as possible using the HP, weight, and tire limits?
I think it is and have no issue with any car being used as long as it meets the limits and is run clean with no shortcuts or groundhogging.
It's not cheating but it's not realistic either.
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So, you would rather have seen this TT use a specific car? I'm curious what cars you deem OK for this TT.
I don't disagree, but I'll ask you the same question. Which cars do you think are OK to run for this TT?
That's interesting. I didn't know that. However, it doesn't change the fact that nothing I do to the 908 lowers the hp enough to make it legal for this event. Strange, since so many people obviously didn't have this problem. Thanks for the info though
I didn't detune one, but there must be something you're missing, if others can detune it to the requirements. Maybe you can buy a lower grade part and substitute it or uncheck a part that you didn't consider? I'm not even sure if I have a 908 to check, but there must be a way, since so many are doing it.
Ultimately I don't care, I was just pointing out what I found amusing. But If I did care then It would be cars that didn't need to use the power limiter to reach the desired amount.
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Jawehawk
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I've been pretty straight forward on that question already. Any car that fits the regulation without cheating by using a power limiter.
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I ignore all the TT events due to the unethical choices and glitching involved. Not my cup of tea. It isn't cheating, I agree, but even though I know I fell I could score a high score using a Peugot 908, I'd feel like such a douchebag for actually using that car with greatly reduced pp in real life.
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- pedrocor
@ Lambob
I agree. I mean, I participate on them to win the prize money, but I try to achieve it with some sense of ethic. With cars near that power range and weight with minor adjustments.
Well, the 100 best times are with Peugeot 908, didn't see beyond that. But this is a problem that was already present in the last Seasonal TT, with non race cars, tailor made for Nissan R390 Road Car, an expensive standard car whom many people doesn't have because we have to wait to appear in UCD and it's a expensive car. I didn't bought it before that because it seemed to me a lot of money for a 300 something HP road car that i didn't know it was a kind of race car named road car.
In Fuji TT case or similar, a caped use of power adjust (like 5 or 10%) and ballast (like 50kg) would be a fair thing to do
I agree. I mean, I participate on them to win the prize money, but I try to achieve it with some sense of ethic. With cars near that power range and weight with minor adjustments.
Well, the 100 best times are with Peugeot 908, didn't see beyond that. But this is a problem that was already present in the last Seasonal TT, with non race cars, tailor made for Nissan R390 Road Car, an expensive standard car whom many people doesn't have because we have to wait to appear in UCD and it's a expensive car. I didn't bought it before that because it seemed to me a lot of money for a 300 something HP road car that i didn't know it was a kind of race car named road car.
In Fuji TT case or similar, a caped use of power adjust (like 5 or 10%) and ballast (like 50kg) would be a fair thing to do
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There aren't any lower grade parts that might help, sadly. My guess is that those that used the 908 either bought a new one and didn't do an oil change, or ran it for 50+ laps to drop the hp. I'm debating with myself whether or not it's worth doing this.
My $0.02 regarding the de-tuning controversy is that I too feel uncomfortable with the fact that the TT seems to ask for a car quite different from the one that ends up becoming the only way to break into the top 100. I wish to try anyway, because I like to challenge myself against other people's best times, but I would be much happier if the car was set by PD, and not one from your garage, like the TT earlier this year with the Z. That was my favorite TT so far by a long shot.
I guess I would just rather the TT be purely about driver skill, since I'm not very good at setting up cars. Even if I ever do get the 908 legal for this event, I doubt I'll ever get the suspicion out of my head that I could have done better in the TT if I just knew how to better set up the car for the track.
Me too. Can someone give advice on the best car and setup to use? I'm not even close to gold the autumn ring drift...
Help appreciated. 👍
It took me a while to get it right, but that section was my favourite of the DT's so far (I think I only started doing them at 15). The biggest problem I had with the right-hand part at the end of the sector, was that I kept snapping back to far, and spinning out right at the finish line. After a fair bit of trial and error, I figured that I was bringing the wheel back around to the right too late. I think. I'm no drifting pro, but bringing the wheel around the opposite way, what felt like a bit too early, seemed to do the trick.
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It would be nice if they gave everyone a specific car with a standard tune,
I don't really care too much but I do like competing to see how high on the leaderboard i can get. (When I do get a chance to play)
The worst thing this time is that its not enough just to use the power limiter,
you need to wreck your engine a bit and let the oil go bad, in order to bring the hp down enough so that limiting to 50% will get your LMP2 cars under the restrictions. Pain in the ass, takes a few enduro's
my 908 was 745 hp
I've done 9 hours of tsukuba(dropped 45hp)
now im doing 1000km of susuka(hopefully drop the last 10hp)
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Ah, they are beating down their engines to make the horsepower, interesting. Clever little buggers, lol.
I also agree that the best way to have a Time Trial is to have PD provide the car and let the actual driving sort out the leaderboards. Allowing so many different cars to race and also the detuning factor, makes the TT not a true comparison of driving skill, but a mere quest for obtaining manufactured advantages, by manipulating the game's weaknesses.
I still don't think using what is there is cheating, persay, but certainly it is not the way one would ethically approach it, if one were interested in competing, rather than just golding it and moving on, like I already did.
Good conversation and interesting reading in this topic so far. 👍
I also agree that the best way to have a Time Trial is to have PD provide the car and let the actual driving sort out the leaderboards. Allowing so many different cars to race and also the detuning factor, makes the TT not a true comparison of driving skill, but a mere quest for obtaining manufactured advantages, by manipulating the game's weaknesses.
I still don't think using what is there is cheating, persay, but certainly it is not the way one would ethically approach it, if one were interested in competing, rather than just golding it and moving on, like I already did.
Good conversation and interesting reading in this topic so far. 👍
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I feel this exact same way myself man. I just feel that using a car like that (the 908) is the "easy way" out to get a great time. I like to present a challenge to myself and use a car that I think no one else will use and run with it. Seems ways more satisfying this way.
BTW, my friend and I were talking about if PD did the TT and set it to a specific car. We thought it would be a great idea and would really show off who the really skilled drivers are.👍
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