New G25/G27 users!!!!

[JB Motorsports]

Sorry for all the questions guys! Just want to make an informed purchase and don't want to be dissapointed if I find out I didn't really upgrade at all...Just spent more money...

So far, the G27 has some deadzone problems, but might not be that bad! The FF sounds better... Has anyone used both the Driving Force and the G27 that could compare the two? How about the Gas Pedal - Is it tight so that it doesn't feel like your go from 100% to 50% to 0% way too quickly, a tighter gas pedal, as I'm used to with the TSW on my PC, would allow for better throttle control than the Driving Force...

Thanks again guys!

 

[emotionap1]

I'm going to make this quick since I'm sick...

I like the DFGT as an intro to the "simulation" driving experience. It has nice buttons and is fairly easy to use. If you want to get a cheap wheel for learning how to use a wheel, this is it.

The G25 is a step above that with a 'realistic feeling' wheel and really nice pedals (probably nicer than the ones in your car.) You can modify it easily as well (chilicoke makes some stuff.) The only thing I don't like about it is the lack of buttons that are easily accessible from the wheel... However, the G27 fixed that. The only thing I don't like about the G27 are the unnecessary lights on the wheel. Other than that I like it and it solves all the problems the G25 had, well most of them anyways.

I'll eventually make some driving videos to help everyone out with heel-toe shifting.

 

[augustosrv]

Hey guys! I just bought my G27 online today, I should get it this week, hopefully in time for the date that GT5 arrives!

 

[FishforRent]

Sorry for all the questions guys! Just want to make an informed purchase and don't want to be dissapointed if I find out I didn't really upgrade at all...Just spent more money...

So far, the G27 has some deadzone problems, but might not be that bad! The FF sounds better... Has anyone used both the Driving Force and the G27 that could compare the two? How about the Gas Pedal - Is it tight so that it doesn't feel like your go from 100% to 50% to 0% way too quickly, a tighter gas pedal, as I'm used to with the TSW on my PC, would allow for better throttle control than the Driving Force...

Thanks again guys!

Your getting some horrible advice here. First, I've had all of the Logitec wheels and now I've had the G27 for almost a year. The BEST wheel of all the Logi wheels. Some have good things to say for the Fanatic; I'll let them speak up.

The FF is remarkable. There is no dead zone (that I can determine) and I've played GT5P, GT4, GT3, F1-2010 (Codies games have strange wheel options, but they support it) NFS Under, NFS Shift, etc.... G27 uses helical gears which make it quieter and smoother. It has excellent feedback (depending on the game) and allows the user to steer through, into, out-of and muscle around turns and car behaviour.

The pedal are stiffer, and adjustable (laterally) you can take the pedal system apart and hang them upside down (check the cockpit forum for tips) and they have more weight to them. They also have more travel for more precision.

The wheel itself is leather and nicely constructed (smells good too, for a while) It also has RPM lights that F1-2010 and GT5 (should) utilize. Really helpfull for F1.

Verdict: Worth the money! Period.

 

[emotionap1]

^ I agree. My fav. aspect of the G27 is the fact that you can adjust the pedals! Makes it wayyyy easier to heel-toe.

 

[digitalic]

I got my G27 a month ago in readiness for GT5 and it's my first wheel ever. I must say that I am totally satisfied with it. I will never go back to a driving game using a pad anymore after being on the wheel name. It gives new meaning to any car games. With that being said I am anxious to try it out on GT5 when it comes out in a few days!

 

[Lsasqwach]

i got my g25 for prologue, and i love it. its so awesome, but ive never had a wheel before so i cant really say, but trying to fight your car to stay when your pushing the limits just feels so satisfying. now, i havent used it on prologue in a LONG time, so id be starting from scratch again

 

[mykem]

Me think this thread is more appropriate here: Steering Wheels and Racing Cockpits

 

[illini837]

Sounds great (G27 owner), Sunday is good

 

[JB Motorsports]

This is what I wanted to hear – Thank you!

I’ve loved GT since the the original when I was much younger, but as I grew into motorsports away from gaming as well into racing online on the PC, one thing that has lacked for me with GT4, Proglouge (when things became much more serious for me) is a decent wheel. It definitly sounds like the G27 will fix that!

Your getting some horrible advice here. First, I've had all of the Logitec wheels and now I've had the G27 for almost a year. The BEST wheel of all the Logi wheels. Some have good things to say for the Fanatic; I'll let them speak up.

The FF is remarkable. There is no dead zone (that I can determine) and I've played GT5P, GT4, GT3, F1-2010 (Codies games have strange wheel options, but they support it) NFS Under, NFS Shift, etc.... G27 uses helical gears which make it quieter and smoother. It has excellent feedback (depending on the game) and allows the user to steer through, into, out-of and muscle around turns and car behaviour.

The pedal are stiffer, and adjustable (laterally) you can take the pedal system apart and hang them upside down (check the cockpit forum for tips) and they have more weight to them. They also have more travel for more precision.

The wheel itself is leather and nicely constructed (smells good too, for a while) It also has RPM lights that F1-2010 and GT5 (should) utilize. Really helpfull for F1.

Verdict: Worth the money! Period.

 

[JB Motorsports]

That was really my fault and I apologize...

Me think this thread is more appropriate here: Steering Wheels and Racing Cockpits

 

[Fame_Mcswagg]

Yea the thread got a little derailed but we were just trying to help someone out. The original thread itself is in the proper location I believe.

 

[Gids]

I could be wrong but to use the clutch on the G27 it is not necessarily the triangle button. It is whatever button you designate for reverse. Was playing around with my setup and found this out.

 

[MidianGTX]

This might be a long shot, but has anyone here used both the Xbox 360's wheel and the DFGT? I've only ever tried the MS wheel, I'm no pro so if it sucks I didn't have a clue because it seemed quite good to me, minus the lack of 900 degrees rotation.

Anyway I want a wheel for GT5 and the DFGT is around the same kind of price I paid for the 360 wheel, so I'm hoping it's as good if not better. Seeing all the G25/27 praise makes me think I'm kinda buying the crappy model, but I'm not a hardcore GT gamer so in the long run it probably won't make much of a difference to me.

 

[shortboi]

I'd like to join! I used to use a DFP wayyy back when I was playing GT4, but now I have a G27 sitting in the box just waiting for GT5. I plan on building my cockpit this weekend so I'll open it up then.

I'm also a noob when it comes to driving with no assists and all but I'd like to give it a shot and see where I go with it.

Anyone else in the same boat as me with the driving assists?

 

[Zuel]

We've only seen one video of someone using the G series wheel with GT5 and it wasn't even that long to see what can and can't be done with the G wheels. As of RIGHT now all we now is that the G25 is the only G series wheel that is listed to work with GT5 not the G27. Even though the 27 is an upgrade from the 25 we still don't know if it will work. Plus we have no idea what programs have been work into GT5 for the G wheels. So we actually don't know if the clutch would even work. So starting this group would be pointless at the time until we can find out what's up. Remember Kaz had the Driving Force GT designed just for GT5P and GT5 and it HAS NO CLUTCH. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[Antti-san]

Not having a clutch doesn't really bother me... The fact is, controls can't mimic a clutch and it doesn't really offer anything for game play... if you could stall your car leaving a pit box or something, maybe it would mean more to me... fact is, most cars don't need a clutch and you could probably drive a car with out a clutch after you've launched anyway so I don't really feel that I'm "cheating" or not being as authentic without a clutch.

I bought the G27 a few months ago and having played Prologue with it I have to say using the clutch makes driving in the game much more involving and rewarding IMO. Shifting without the clutch just feels so unnatural!

 

[a.r.a.b_2nv]

Sorry for all the questions guys! Just want to make an informed purchase and don't want to be dissapointed if I find out I didn't really upgrade at all...Just spent more money...

So far, the G27 has some deadzone problems, but might not be that bad! The FF sounds better... Has anyone used both the Driving Force and the G27 that could compare the two? How about the Gas Pedal - Is it tight so that it doesn't feel like your go from 100% to 50% to 0% way too quickly, a tighter gas pedal, as I'm used to with the TSW on my PC, would allow for better throttle control than the Driving Force...

Thanks again guys!

I've tried both the DFGT and I own a G25 and I'll give you my opinion.

The DFGT I tried this out on the actual GT5 demo at the Sydney International Motorshow driving the Toyota FT-86G Concept and I have admit I liked it it's a fun and an easy wheel for people who are looking for a first wheel. There were a couple things I didn't like about it though, the brake pedal is really really soft you can't rest your foot on it without it braking slightly and it gets really annoying but overall I must say it's a pretty good wheel.
The G25 has got to be the best wheel I've ever had and tried in my life it's perfect. I play it with every racing game I have especially GT5P, I can't stand playing with the dualshock anymore. Everything is exactly how a steering wheel is meant to be I don't have any problems with the shifter, the force feedback when put on 10 in GT5P is just fierce it feels astonishing, the pedals are perfect stiffness, the paddle shifts are excellent and so is the tip-tronic. If I were to buy a wheel newbie or not newbie I'd buy the G25 it's cheap, it's reliable very very very fun and trust me you won't regret it, but the DFGT isn't so bad either it's fun but it's nowhere near as good as the G25.

 

[JB Motorsports]

I may have been quick to say that...

I didn't really think you could properly heel and toe, which is interesting and if true (which I'm sure it is), I would be dead wrong.

The clutch in a car just has more "feeling" than a gas or brake pedal and it's a feeling that a game can't simulate at this point. The clutch pedal isn't really a pedal...but more of a button that looks like a clutch pedal (if that makes any sense?)... However, I could be way off based on what some have said and I look forward to seeing how well it actually works away from a real car.

As far as shifting without a clutch... in most cars today you can shift without a clutch anyway. You could sit in my car and I could drive you around and you'd never know if I used my clutch or not...I can easily shift without the clutch and match the revs rather easily.

I bought the G27 a few months ago and having played Prologue with it I have to say using the clutch makes driving in the game much more involving and rewarding IMO. Shifting without the clutch just feels so unnatural!

 

[a.r.a.b_2nv]

Sorry for all the questions guys! Just want to make an informed purchase and don't want to be dissapointed if I find out I didn't really upgrade at all...Just spent more money...

So far, the G27 has some deadzone problems, but might not be that bad! The FF sounds better... Has anyone used both the Driving Force and the G27 that could compare the two? How about the Gas Pedal - Is it tight so that it doesn't feel like your go from 100% to 50% to 0% way too quickly, a tighter gas pedal, as I'm used to with the TSW on my PC, would allow for better throttle control than the Driving Force...

Thanks again guys!

I've tried both the DFGT and I own a G25 and I'll give you my opinion.

The DFGT I tried this out on the actual GT5 demo at the Sydney International Motorshow driving the Toyota FT-86G Concept and I have admit I liked it it's a fun and an easy wheel for people who are looking for a first wheel. There were a couple things I didn't like about it though, the brake pedal is really really soft you can't rest your foot on it without it braking slightly and it gets really annoying but overall I must say it's a pretty good wheel.
The G25 has got to be the best wheel I've ever had and tried in my life it's perfect. I play it with every racing game I have especially GT5P, I can't stand playing with the dualshock anymore. Everything is exactly how a steering wheel is meant to be I don't have any problems with the shifter, the force feedback when put on 10 in GT5P is just fierce it feels astonishing, the pedals are perfect stiffness, the paddle shifts are excellent and so is the tip-tronic. If I were to buy a wheel newbie or not newbie I'd buy the G25 it's cheap, it's reliable very very very fun and trust me you won't regret it, but the DFGT isn't so bad either it's fun but it's nowhere near as good as the G25.

 

[dfv2]

As far as shifting without a clutch... in most cars today you can shift without a clutch anyway. You could sit in my car and I could drive you around and you'd never know if I used my clutch or not...I can easily shift without the clutch and match the revs rather easily.

Your synchros would know, until they die, and they will - they are doing ALL of the work in this scenario, not you (no matter how well you *think* you're matching revs! Or, go from 1st to reverse, rev match a downshift, start your car, etc etc etc. A clutch, even on a dogbox is 100% mandatory at some point, and hell, it's an INTIMATE part of driving a manual trans car - how can anyone use a DFGT without the ol' clutch on the "ultimate driving sim"???

I digress, but point is I sincerely look forward to using a fully functional G27 in GT5. We've seen the paddles working, even the rev indicator lights work, and the G25 is fully functional. There really is no reason to believe it won't also be a fully compatible peripheral.

 

[flubbachany]

Might be a bit off topic, but thought I could use this for help...

I currently have the Driving Force wheel that I bought years ago (It's the same one as the DFGT without the additional knobs for brake bias, etc.) and hate it. It's the worst wheel I've ever used and found myself never really using it in the past.

In the past, I've raced in several different online series for N2003, iRacing, Arca and RFactor with a TSW wheel... some may scratch their head about TSW, but it's by far the best wheel for the PC - I PROMISE! It doesn't have FF, but it's a tightly sprung wheel that gives a super smooth feel.

I'm looking to upgrade, but don't know where to go. The current problem I have with the Driving Force is the FF and how horrible it feels and the give it has at around 12 o'clock - its basically impossible to go left and right or right to left quickly without it being delayed. The FF feels "grainy" almost as if you can feel the gears moving within the wheel.

I like the idea of the DFGT and the ability to control brake bias, but am afraid that it's basically the same wheel and will feel exactly the same.

That leaves me with the G25 or the G27... Can any compare or tell me about either one and how smooth it is? Is there any give around 12 o'clock? Is it much better than the Driving Force or will I just be throwing money away buy upgrading...only to find that it has the same problem?

Any help would be amazing!
J.B.

Actually, the DFGT is much improved in terms of force feedback. I have had a DFP and DFGT and I love the DFGT so much more, it's a huge improvement and I've heard it's nearly on par with the G25 in terms of FF

 

[JB Motorsports]

Starting your car, going into reverse and going into 1st... yes you need your clutch, but we don't start the car in GT5... and I don't believe you can stall the car at the light from a standing start if you don't use the clutch.

I've got this thread way of topic already... but I think I was off in my original thoughts on the clutch and GT5, but I still stand that the clutch isn't perfect because we aren't their yet in the sim world.

As for my clutch in my car... Aside from the above, you can easily drive without a clutch and not cause any problems if you know what you are doing. I've never owned an automatic and have never had clutch problems in any car I have ever had.

Your synchros would know, until they die, and they will - they are doing ALL of the work in this scenario, not you (no matter how well you *think* you're matching revs! Or, go from 1st to reverse, rev match a downshift, start your car, etc etc etc. A clutch, even on a dogbox is 100% mandatory at some point, and hell, it's an INTIMATE part of driving a manual trans car - how can anyone use a DFGT without the ol' clutch on the "ultimate driving sim"???

I digress, but point is I sincerely look forward to using a fully functional G27 in GT5. We've seen the paddles working, even the rev indicator lights work, and the G25 is fully functional. There really is no reason to believe it won't also be a fully compatible peripheral.

 

[dfv2]

Fair enough! I was playing a dirt 2 demo and found that you didn't/couldn't use the G27 clutch (it was mapped to brake)... I ended up stabbing it during shifts anyways because it was the only way I could naturally operate the pedals.

G25/G27!! The 27 is getting to be very hard to find in my area. I got mine through an employee purchase at BB for $208 (meaning current markup is roughly $100 bucks!!).

 

[Zuel]

We've seen the paddles working, even the rev indicator lights work, and the G25 is fully functional. There really is no reason to believe it won't also be a fully compatible peripheral.

Yes we did see the paddles and the lights work. But we did see any use of the clutch what so ever. Did he even attempt to use the clutch in the video? (No) The fact still remains that no knows if the CLUTCH from the G27 will work with GT5, we do know that the G25 will. If I went out a spent $300 on the G27 which is a updated version of the G25 and it didn't work I would be really pissed. I would just have one other thing gathering dust. I say this to who ever is thinking about getting a G27 for GT5. Don't get it until we (you) know for a fact that it will work with GT5.

 

[JB Motorsports]

I can't imagine that it doesn't... From what I understand and as you said, it's just an updated G27, I can't imagine that the output for the clutch would be completely foreign to the game to not work when the G25 does.

You have a point that "we don't know", but I think it's safe to assume it does.

As for this thread... I too would like to be a part the track day. Track days are going to be great, no matter why they are there, but just the ability to drive around in a none race atmosphere, but at the same time taking it serously is going to be great.

It'll be great to see more of these Track Days pop up here in the boards.

Yes we did see the paddles and the lights work. But we did see any use of the clutch what so ever. Did he even attempt to use the clutch in the video? (No) The fact still remains that no knows if the CLUTCH from the G27 will work with GT5, we do know that the G25 will. If I went out a spent $300 on the G27 which is a updated version of the G25 and it didn't work I would be really pissed. I would just have one other thing gathering dust. I say this to who ever is thinking about getting a G27 for GT5. Don't get it until we (you) know for a fact that it will work with GT5.

 

[Lillee]

I got my G27 delivered today and my initial impression is boy it's worth every cent! the build quality (for a game periferal) is way up there. Having owned wheels in the past for past iterations of GT, this one is by far the most solid. The pedals alone are the business!

If it doesn't work with GT5 (though I doubt that it won't fully work as G25 works) I will extremely disapointed at the prospect of having to use an more inferior wheel...

 

[Bigbazz]

My G27 was perfect until it broke, my 2nd G27 is perfect at the moment, not sure what you mean by deadzone issues, it depends on the game your playing and the centre spring settings. To be honest its a fantastic wheel, have no complaints about it apart from the first one breaking.

 

[kiwami]

I may have been quick to say that...

I didn't really think you could properly heel and toe, which is interesting and if true (which I'm sure it is), I would be dead wrong.

The clutch in a car just has more "feeling" than a gas or brake pedal and it's a feeling that a game can't simulate at this point. The clutch pedal isn't really a pedal...but more of a button that looks like a clutch pedal (if that makes any sense?)... However, I could be way off based on what some have said and I look forward to seeing how well it actually works away from a real car.

As far as shifting without a clutch... in most cars today you can shift without a clutch anyway. You could sit in my car and I could drive you around and you'd never know if I used my clutch or not...I can easily shift without the clutch and match the revs rather easily.

On the G27 the clutch It's not an on/off. Switch but the engament point is low & it feels like a twin disc very narrow. It feels & behaves like the twin disc on my real race car. So ones u get the engament point down. heel to toe comes very naturally. If you have expirience with twin or tripple disc clutches in real life then you will get used to it in very fast.
All this info is in the G25/G27 thread. Also pretty much zero dead zone for the G27 & extremely quiet wheel + stiff brake pedal. Long travel on the pedals for easy thottle management for powerful cars specially when aids are turned off.

I'm not so used to the steering yet so I need some practice with how it behaves when counter steering it. & I lent GT5P to a friend so he can get used to the GT5 gameplay so I only used the G27 for 2 days to me this thread is very useful.

 

[FLIGHT50]

My G27 purchase was my first wheel. To add to that, I have only been driving a manual for two years. I bought my wheel this past summer with GT5P for practice for the GT5 release. It was a pretty penny to bite but Amazon had a rebate at the time so it wasn't too bad. Based on reviews and the warranty available with an Amazon purchase it was the better buy. If you do not have a wheel and you are on the market for one, you may as well get the latest and greatest. The G27. There is really one one con vs the G25. No sequential shifter. If your a H shifter guy, it won't matter anyways. A huge plus for the G27 over the G25 is the gears in the wheel itself. The G27 is wayyy more silent than the G25. Now if you already have a G25, it may not be worth the upgrade. Although the G27 is alot more expensive, there are deals on them left and right. Logitech, Amazon and other retails are cashing in because of GT5. If you can't find a deal now, wait til after GT5 releases.