New Seasonal: NR-A Roadster Cup

[Tornado]

"I've got a JDM motor in my Miata" doesn't mean anything here.

It may be true for the 2001 cars having less power

Does not compute.

My point is, take a regular Miata from the USA up to maybe 2000 and find the exact example anywhere else in the world, and other than it being left or right hand drive, the drivetrain is the same.

And? Fail to see where I said otherwise. That's not strictly true anyways, because LSD availability varied depending on the market you were in, but that's not my point in the first place so I don't really care.

Yes, the NB got a 1.6, but it's not part of my point so don't bring it up again.

I'll bring up whatever I damn well please, thank you very much. You don't get to basically ignore my posts and then bitch when I reiterate what they actually said rather than what you made them out to say.

I get it: You know Miatas. I knew this long before this topic existed. You're condescending attitude over this matter has still been rather annoying, though; particularly considering you don't seem to be actually reading my posts before you respond to them, so you are using that extensive knowledge to debate statements that I never made in the first place.

 

[rhys159]

I don't like driving these Mazda Mx-5/Miata/Roadster cars...I was hoping for something a bit faster.

Then again, using comfort tires could make it an interesting challenge. 💡

 

[CodeRedR51]

Does not compute.


And? Fail to see where I said otherwise. That's not strictly true anyways, because LSD availability varied depending on the market you were in, but that's not my point in the first place so I don't really care.


I'll bring up whatever I damn well please, thank you very much. You don't get to basically ignore my posts and then bitch when I reiterate what they actually said rather than what you made them out to say.

I get it: You know Miatas. You're condescending attitude over this matter has still been rather annoying, though; particularly considering you don't seem to be actually reading my posts before you respond to them.

Nevermind, you're not understanding me. Just forget it.

Conversation can go nowhere else but downhill.

 

[Christian_C]

Just because the game is sticking the name 'Miata' in front of them doesn't necessarily mean they are US models of the car, I think the game just names them as Miata's for the sake of easiness and recognizability.

Lets be honest now, how many people (outside the owners or people with high knowledge of the car) knew that the MX-5/Miata was called a Eunos Roadster in japan?

I know because I own one in RL but for sake of easiness I call it an MX-5 in conversation because people wouldn't know what the bloody hell I was talking about if I said Eunos Roadster.

 

[N91KB]

What the heck!?!

I just went from a standard transmission in my '89 Miata to a 5 Speed Close-Ratio and lost time! How is that possible?

I do have to shift more frequently now and the application of power seems a bit different. Fastest lap at Tsukuba slowed to 1:09.757 with a race time of 5:52.094. That's about half a second slower per lap! So much for better acceleration. I too drive with all aids off including no ABS. Using a G27 with H Shifter.

 

[shirakawaa]

It depends much on the power delivery of your car. You might have to shift at slightly lower rpm since gears are closer between each other with it. Also the H shifter in GT5 is almost always slower than the sequential mode, and if you use it more often due to closer gear ratios you might end up being slower overall.

 

[magawolaz]

Also, I'm not near my PS3 so, anyone tell me how many laps each one is?

All 5 laps except Autumn Ring Mini (8 laps)

 

[NEPALII]

You guys actually thought that PD had put fake cars in the game? They are just different models of the Miata(correct if im wrong). Oh and btw the races were pretty easy...

 

[N91KB]

It depends much on the power delivery of your car. You might have to shift at slightly lower rpm since gears are closer between each other with it. Also the H shifter in GT5 is almost always slower than the sequential mode, and if you use it more often due to closer gear ratios you might end up being slower overall.

I think you are right. 👍 Almost feels like a bit of wheel spin at times, so shifting at a bit lower RPM may help. Will also use the paddle shifters next time around.

 

[N91KB]

Oh and btw the races were pretty easy...

It's all relative my friend.

 

[BlindZenDriver]

What the heck!?!

I just went from a standard transmission in my '89 Miata to a 5 Speed Close-Ratio and lost time! How is that possible?

Unlike most cars the Miata does not have a long fifth gear, so the close-ratio box and the standard box could likely be pretty close. I'm guessing the close-ratio may have a slightly longer fifth gear or maybe the standard transmission just happens to fit better with a crucial corner or two.

In real life the downside to this is that high way traveling takes place at pretty high revs and a Miata needs not to be tuned much to make running out of revs the limiting factor with regards to top speed. On anything but highway traveling I love it.

 

[BlindZenDriver]

http://www.madabout-kitcars.com/kitcar/kb.php?aid=451

What I was going off of.

Thx. I can see my books and the site does not agree on all things. Some key Mazda people has helped writing the books but knowing for sure if they looked over the model detail lists is impossible to know.

It seems to me that since Mazda them self has never put out a complete list then we are left judge data as best as we can.

It doesn't matter. There is no such thing as a USDM Miata VR-Limited. There is no such thing as an EDM MX-5 VR-Limited. There may have been USDM/EDM equivalents of those cars (though other than the Limited Edition Sunburst Yellow sold in the USDM, I can't seem to find any information saying that there were), but they still weren't called that when they were sold here so they still never existed.

I must say that to me it is not ideal if the name is not right however it is not the same as it not existing, especially when I can find references to said cars in written material about the different models. For instance by matching info on color, equipment, rims and so on the 95' VR-limited looks to be the 95'M edition in the US.

Something like this is normal in the car world and it goes as far as brand names. An example with a US make would be that the Dodge Viper was sold in Europe as the Chrysler Viper (just as many other Dodge cars). Another example is that Opel are called vauxhall in the UK only I think some Australian cars (Holden?) are also sold under the vauxhall name and they are all GM's :-)

And, again, this thing with the Miatas is far from the only cars PD did this with in GT5. Look at the dozen or so Mitsubishi 3000GTs. Only about a third of those existed in real life too.

I'm sorry but I know pretty much nothing about the 3000GT's.

Yes. However, non-USDM models had more horsepower, non-USDM models could be had with the 1.6L engine, and non-USDM models could be had with the RS trim level.

So it is problematic that there is a car in the game with the non-USDM engine specification and a non-USDM trim level is labeled in the game as a USDM car. And, in the case of the 1600 NR-A, is labeled as a USDM car despite coming with an engine that was never available in the USDM.

As for the NB generation I think Mazda may have stopped using the Eunos name so that may explain something.

Which is not an NB and thus is meaningless to my original point. I know that they shared everything when the NA was on sale (except the U.S. stopped getting the 1.6L, I believe, as soon as the 1.8 came out), but they did not when the NB was refreshed in 2000.

USDM cars had less power. Mazda was nearly sued over this. USDM cars could not be had with the 1.6. And yet there are supposed USDM Miatas that break both of these facts, and are labeled as being non-USDM trim levels.

I thought that power issue thing was only for California cars. Regardless it was with the 2001 cars and here is a quote from MX-5 wiki for all to see: "The 1.8 L (110 cu in) BP-Z3 engine was slightly modified and now featured variable valve timing on the intake camshaft. The intake and exhaust system also received a minor upgrade. These modifications resulted in a power output of 113 kW (152 bhp) (Japan, UK and Australia) or 107 kW (143 bhp) (US only). In the United States, Mazda erroneously quoted the power figure for the Japanese and Australian model in early catalogues. Car and Driver magazine and numerous owners confirmed the missing power, and Mazda offered to buy back the 2001 cars due to those misleading power claims. Owners who did not take up the buy back offer were offered an apology and free servicing for the warranty period."


Maybe I should put together a cross reference list

 

[Nielsen]

I like this one more than the last one for compact cars.

 

[NewfieBangaa]

I'd like them a lot more if we got something other than Helmets and racing suits, but meh. I can't complain, I've had fun with the new seasonal.

 

[N91KB]

My '89 Mazda Miata is finally victorious at Tsukuba!

My initial time deficit when switching from the stock transmission to the close-ratio transmission was baffling. To improve my time I did shift a bit earlier out of the tight corners to prevent wheel spin and used the sequential gearbox instead of the H pattern to reduce shift time. With the technique changes I still came a bit short of my best time compared to the stock transmission. ???

To experiment, I tried the racing transmission. Same ratios/top speed as the close-ratio transmission (nothing different between the two) and low and behold my lap times and total race time came back down to my original stock transmission times. There is a lot to be said for the stock transmission.

It's interesting the time difference between the close-ratio and racing transmission of about 0.6 sec/Lap. All the gear ratios were the same between the two but something is different. Wonder if it's some glitch?

Once I tuned the racing transmission for the track to utilize all 5 gears and installed the dual clutch, carbon driveshaft, and semi-racing flywheel then my fastest lap came in at 1:08.846 with a race time of 5:46.498 which was good enough for the win. 👍 (I've noticed a time range between 5:42 - 5:50 for the winning time by the AI Miatas)

What started out as a '89 110HP Miata in need of TLC was transformed into a 160 HP / 391PP car that can win on sport hard tires.

The fun in all of this was the journey to the final victory. 👍

Now on to Autum Ring Mini with my race prepped '89 Miata

 

[N91KB]

Unlike most cars the Miata does not have a long fifth gear, so the close-ratio box and the standard box could likely be pretty close. I'm guessing the close-ratio may have a slightly longer fifth gear or maybe the standard transmission just happens to fit better with a crucial corner or two.

In real life the downside to this is that high way traveling takes place at pretty high revs and a Miata needs not to be tuned much to make running out of revs the limiting factor with regards to top speed. On anything but highway traveling I love it.

The funny thing, with the stock transmission I never got past 3rd gear! I got around the whole track using gears 2 and 3.

With the close-ratio transmission, gears 2, 3, and 4 were used.

With the tuned racing transmission gears 2, 3, 4, and 5 were used. Although I think my best time came in using 3, 4, and 5 only. Staying in 3rd seemed to work a bit better in the tight corners.

 

[seadog777]

I know I'm going to get flamed, but.... just tried it (Trail Mountain) and what a snorefest!

Those last 3 laps were like watching paint dry.

I suspect a PD programmer has this "sports car".

I won a pink helmet.... no surprises there then.

 

[CyKosis1973]

Thought I'd try with the Mazda Roadster RS (NC) ‘07, using only Sport Hard tyres and custom suspension. Turned out to be a proper hoot. Most events you'll be heading the pack with a lap or two to spare, not so on the Clubman SRR5 track

I'm not going to have enough time to polish this little monster before I go on my own holidays, but it'll still raise a few grins...

{Cy}

 

[Moot]

Lets be honest now, how many people (outside the owners or people with high knowledge of the car) knew that the MX-5/Miata was called a Eunos Roadster in japan?

Everyone who has ever played Gran Turismo knows.

 

[axletramp]

Everyone who has ever played Gran Turismo knows.

True. Plus there are loads of Japanese imports in the UK badged as Eunos Roadsters. I'd say the less commonly known one in Europe is the Miata.

 

[exiledfrenchy]

Mazda Eunos Roadster (NA Special Package) '89
Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited (NA) '91
Mazda Eunos Roadster J-Limited II (NA) '93
Mazda Eunos Roadster SR-Limited (NA) '97
Mazda Eunos Roadster S-Special Type I (NA) '95
Mazda Eunos Roadster VR-Limited (NA) '95
Mazda Eunos Roadster V-Special Type II (NA) '93
Mazda MX-5 (NA) '89
Mazda MX-5 1.8 RS (NB, J) '98
Mazda MX-5 1600 NR-A (NB, J) '04
Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '00
Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
Mazda MX-5 J-Limited (NA, J) '91
Mazda MX-5 J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
Mazda MX-5 Miata (NA) '89
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1.8 RS (NB, J) '98
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1600 NR-A (NB, J) '04
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) '00
Mazda MX-5 Miata 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited (NA, J) '91
Mazda MX-5 Miata J-Limited II (NA, J) '93
Mazda MX-5 Miata SR-Limited (NA, J) '97
Mazda MX-5 Miata S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95
Mazda MX-5 Miata VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
Mazda MX-5 Miata V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93
Mazda MX-5 SR-Limited (NA, J) '97
Mazda MX-5 S-Special Type I (NA, J) '95
Mazda MX-5 VR-Limited (NA, J) '95
Mazda MX-5 V-Special Type II (NA, J) '93
Mazda Roadster 1.8 RS (NB) '98
Mazda Roadster 1600 NR-A (NB) '04
Mazda Roadster 1800 RS (NB) '00
Mazda Roadster 1800 RS (NB) '04
Mazda Roadster RS (NC) '07

Wow, 34?!?!

I might be missing some, but I think that is close to all of them.

Oh my god... And I see N91KB started doing just that. Hang in there man! Great work on winning with the '89 Miata.

 

[UnshavenYapper]

Anyone wanna share laptimes on Tsukuba @ 450pp??

Im doing between 0:59:4 and 0:59:6, and i wont stop tweakin and tuning my miata's untill i reach the 58's, maybe even 57's if possible?

 

[Daltonlim]

Don't know what the hell PD is thinking.im sleeping over their latest 2seasonal events. Hmm will only play then again if u can't get into sleeping mode

 

[176OES]

ergh... well that was tedious

thanks PD

/sarcasm

In other news, Hairdressers and Interior Decorators worldwide are singing the praise of Gran Turismo for all these fabulous Miata events... if only they included Cafe Latte's on pit stops, the game would be perfect for them

/end sarcasm

 

[maxpontiac]

All I know is if I worked a PD, I would make another Miata Seasonal race for all the non-fans of the car in this thread.

 

[Tornado]

Just because the game is sticking the name 'Miata' in front of them doesn't necessarily mean they are US models of the car, I think the game just names them as Miata's for the sake of easiness and recognizability.

This would only be valid if the other two names for the car weren't also in the game as separate models. Miata has only ever been used in the USDM, so any car labeled as such in the game is supposed to be a USDM car.

 

[GoSpeedRacer]

My thinking was that this Miata, Eunos, MX-5, Roadster race series would have been much better if it were done as an Expert Series of races with tighter restrictions on hp and tires. That way, there would have been more of a challenge to find the right car/setup to win with. Sure, we can challenge ourselves, like others are doing in this thread, but there is something to be said for having to complete a challenge by someone else's rules.

I remember way back in the beginning when they had the RX-7 challenge. I spent a good amount of hours tuning that RX-7 to finally win 1st place and it was such an exhilirating feeling when I passed that final car for the victory on SS5. 👍

I don't remember if I got the chance to win all 5 races before they took it down, as each track required a different tuning for me, and in some of them, I only managed 2nd or worse. I also liked the payout structure where you would get the cr/xp for every place below where you finished the first time. 👍

 

[Morgoth_666]

All I know is if I worked a PD, I would make another Miata Seasonal race for all the non-fans of the car in this thread.

+1

The whining is a bit ridiculous, it's a great car driven and raced competitively by non-hairdressers the world over. So it doesn't have 400 horsepowers or the most "masculine" look, big deal. It's 1,000,000 times nicer than a minivan or a giant sedan or 99% of SUVs.
My only stupid complaint is yet another race at Tsukuba.

 

[N91KB]

Thought I would try a bone stock Mazda Roadster RS (NC) '07 from the new car dealership at Tsukuba and just put sport hards on to be the same as the rest of field. No mods of any kind. Had one in my garage from early in the game.

It took me a few tries but won. It was a really close race. Did not pass the leader until the final straight. Don't really get people saying these events are a pushover. If you don't max out the PP allowed, these races can be quite fun. Maybe I'm just slow compared to most others.

My win race time was 5:46.441 with a best lap at 1:08.685. Most of the laps were in the 1:09.3XX range.

By the way, I see that I gained about 6 HP from stock due to being driven previously. I'm showing 173HP and 398PP

 

[Lambob]

I went to the GT5 Mazda Dealership this morning, and I was floored to see no Mazda Miata amongst all those cars, WTH? (Currently Grinding B-Spec until next seasonal or DLC hopefully sometime in 2011, )