New Update Incoming on 27th of April

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From what I referenced, the "and..." part expired, but not the "Regular updates will be released throughout 2018" part, so I agree that the 50 cars in 4 months schedule is over. I don't think the meaning of "regular updates" is just bug fixes, seems odd that they would essentially be saying it will take them a year to fix the known issues. Don't you think the meaning is that they will be adding some sort of content on a regular basis?

Well if they are aiming for 400 to 500 cars in GTS lifetime, they would need to keep pumping them out! Maybe not quite 12 a month, but still at a rate where keeping up monthly updates would make sense, at least for a while longer.
 
Nobody is really saying that, the point is that people like you are getting ridiculously overbearing over the concept that PD somehow owes us more content than what we're getting, free or paid for. There's always criticisms to go around concerning the game but the pettiness over 1.18 is taking it a bit far.
So much this.

I just can't understand the train of thought that makes so many this way. Why can't you all relax and take what comes, as it comes.
 
Anyway, bought the Supra, made a stealth/test livery for it, did the endurance race and sold it. Been doing Gr.4 Custom Races on both DT Gardens tracks since.
 
What May update?


I genuinely don't understand the expectation here.

GT Sport launched in October 2017. Neither Sony nor Polyphony said anything about DLC apart from that it was coming, and you wouldn't have to wait a year for it. There was no content update in October.
Neither Sony nor Polyphony said anything about DLC until the end of November. In November, Sony published a road map for DLC up to March 2018. In it, Yamauchi (and various regional brand managers) said that "approximately 50 cars" would come, along with unspecified new tracks, with no set schedule except "from now to March 2018" - contrary to popular belief, the word "monthly" was not in this article. The first update, it said, would come at the end of November, with three cars. In November there was a content update with three cars. It added that 12 more cars - which it named - would come in December.
Neither Sony nor Polyphony said anything further about DLC in December. Then a maintenance period, with update, was announced in-game on December 21st. The update, containing the 12 specified cars, arrived on December 22.
Neither Sony nor Polyphony said anything further about DLC in January. Then Kazunori Yamauchi made a Tweet on January 20 about an update arriving the next week. His Tweet had silhouettes - like the blog post - of 10 cars. The update arrived within the week, containing 10 cars. Oh, and a track no-one had said anything about.
Neither Sony nor Polyphony said anything further about DLC in February. Then Kazunori Yamauchi made a Tweet on February 24 about an update arriving the next week. His Tweet had silhouettes - like the blog post - of 12 cars. The update arrived within the week, containing 12 cars. Oh, and a track no-one had said anything about.
Neither Sony nor Polyphony said anything further about DLC in March. Then Kazunori Yamauchi made a Tweet on March 23 about an update arriving the next week. His Tweet had silhouettes - like the blog post - of 13 cars. The update arrived within the week, containing 13 cars. Oh, and a track no-one had said anything about.

This marked the delivery of all 50 cars, and the end of the road map published in November.

Ahead of April, the official GT Twitter account, along with both manufacturers, mentioned the GR Supra Concept and Audi Vision GT arriving in April updates. No other content was mentioned or teased in any way. The Audi arrived on April 9, the Supra on April 27. Oh, along with a track no-one had said anything about.

Neither Sony nor Polyphony said anything further about DLC in April. Or beyond April.

No announcements have been made for any other DLC in April, but for some reason people believe there should have been a 10+-car pack that was never mentioned. No announcements have been made for any DLC in May or any other month, but for some reason people believe there will be a "May update" with further DLC.


The 50 car DLC promise was announced and delivered on time. The Audi Vision GT was announced and delivered on time. The Supra was announced and delivered on time.

There's no reason to expect anything that hasn't been announced.
IMO, You think like a logician and you're right.
It's just surprising that they don't even unveil the new road map. I was sure there would be a big April update given all the signs. If 1, 2 and 3 exist, probably the next number is "4" and I don't need a proof to a certain extent.

https://www.gtplanet.net/gt-sport-could-eventually-feature-up-to-500-cars/
“In the end, there will be around 4 to 5 hundred cars. All cars have been re-modeled, and there won’t be standard cars.”

I can't see how they will reach this number if they take hiatus for an unknown time.
 
No, pessimism would be the belief that things that have been promised won't be delivered - which isn't justified with GT Sport either.

I'm realistic. Thus far, PD, Sony or Kazunori himself have announced things that are coming and then delivered them, on time. There is no reason to expect content that hasn't been announced - and as yet, no May content has been announced.

There may be an announcement on it, but there's no reason to expect that either.

It's like all the complaints leveled at Kaz or PD are completely unfounded based simply on previous prejudice.

People need to wake up; how may racing games in the last decade have offered continuous, always free DLC and communicated that from more or less the word go?
 
No, pessimism would be the belief that things that have been promised won't be delivered - which isn't justified with GT Sport either.

I'm realistic. Thus far, PD, Sony or Kazunori himself have announced things that are coming and then delivered them, on time. There is no reason to expect content that hasn't been announced - and as yet, no May content has been announced.

There may be an announcement on it, but there's no reason to expect that either.
To be blunt, if Kaz thinks the pathetic roster of cars and tracks are adequate, GT Sport doesn't have much of a future. I would hope GT Planet and posters would understand what a predicament the game is in, rather than this passive, "Oh, Kaz will be Kaz", attitude.

It was quite obvious DLC plans upto March where damage control after the games reception and resistance to the new direction. To their credit, the online racing has proven itself and the car lineup has steadily grown. But the track lineup, the heart and soul of a competitive racing title, cannot be defended. GT Sport is being suffercated by the lack of fresh, new track offerings. To think this game can hobble along without iconic circuits like Le Man's, Spa, Silverstone.....and PD's own creations, is laughable.

I'm targeting the Platinum, and have got so far, I'll complete it. But beyond that, without very significant DLC updates, that will be it for me. I'll pick up a One X and get into Forza 7 and the Horizon titles.
 
To be blunt, if Kaz thinks the pathetic roster of cars and tracks are adequate, GT Sport doesn't have much of a future. I would hope GT Planet and posters would understand what a predicament the game is in, rather than this passive, "Oh, Kaz will be Kaz", attitude.

It was quite obvious DLC plans upto March where damage control after the games reception and resistance to the new direction. To their credit, the online racing has proven itself and the car lineup has steadily grown. But the track lineup, the heart and soul of a competitive racing title, cannot be defended. GT Sport is being suffercated by the lack of fresh, new track offerings. To think this game can hobble along without iconic circuits like Le Man's, Spa, Silverstone.....and PD's own creations, is laughable.

I'm targeting the Platinum, and have got so far, I'll complete it. But beyond that, without very significant DLC updates, that will be it for me. I'll pick up a One X and get into Forza 7 and the Horizon titles.

'I'm targeting the Platinum' - says it all really...

CJ
 
To be blunt, if Kaz thinks the pathetic roster of cars and tracks are adequate, GT Sport doesn't have much of a future. I would hope GT Planet and posters would understand what a predicament the game is in, rather than this passive, "Oh, Kaz will be Kaz", attitude.
Did you mean to quote a different post, as I'm not seeing any relation between what I said and your response to it.
 
Can you explain this predicament in terms of a business case?
GT Sport is a games as a service with the most atrocious community management in the industry. To retain, and grow, the user base, they need plentiful, regular DLC. With The timeframes involved, significant monthly updates may not be possible. But this is where your community management comes into play. It’s 2018 and PD have the worst community management in the entire industry.....bar none. The smallest of indie games value their customers while PD and Kaz show nothing but, at best, complacency, at worst, contempt for their customers.

GT Sport dodged a bullet at launch thanks to a loyal customer base, prompt (damage control) DLC plans, heavy discounting, and a lack of credible AAA competition on PS4. We are now in April and Kaz and PD have once again gone back into their shell. All we get is a frankly pathetic couple of tweets per day with a screenshot and silly comment. It’s as if they are in a bunker with no access to the outside world.

Fans will give PD a break for April’s underwhelming update. But if this continues, with a continued lack of communication, the playerbase will move on. Leaving GT Sport as an empty shell.
 
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IMO, You think like a logician and you're right.
It's just surprising that they don't even unveil the new road map. I was sure there would be a big April update given all the signs. If 1, 2 and 3 exist, probably the next number is "4" and I don't need a proof to a certain extent.

https://www.gtplanet.net/gt-sport-could-eventually-feature-up-to-500-cars/
“In the end, there will be around 4 to 5 hundred cars. All cars have been re-modeled, and there won’t be standard cars.”

I can't see how they will reach this number if they take hiatus for an unknown time.

There was no proof of an April update the size of the Jan–Mar ones, though. There was a mention of an "April Update", but all that could really mean is that PD sees one patch as the "main" for the month. Sure enough, the content update with the Supra covered a lot of similar ground; revisions to Sport Mode, expansions of GT League and Circuit Experience, and an expansion of the car lineup (yes, a single car :P).

It's entirely possible the plan at the time that was said — August 2016, before a year's delay — was the 500 car goal.

Six months later, the total isn't even at 250, and more recent interviews from Kaz have suggested the next GT game will absorb Sport Mode but potentially return to the numbered approach. Contrast that to pre-GTS interviews about the game being the start of a new era for the franchise, and it seems plans may have changed at some point. Or not. But we just don't know.

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It's like all the complaints leveled at Kaz or PD are completely unfounded based simply on previous prejudice.

People need to wake up; how may racing games in the last decade have offered continuous, always free DLC and communicated that from more or less the word go?

Racing games? Not many. Other games? There's been some.

One could also make the argument that GT Sport was in the sort of position where it made more sense to offer the DLC for free. It launched with far less cars and tracks than its main console competition, and a much less diverse lineup of both as well. Sure, the game was targeting a different niche of the genre with its largely class-based system — but then, why has the vast majority of the DLC not conformed to any of those classes?

You remember the debacle with FM5's DLC, right? Paid for, and most of it was returning cars from the previous generation? Most of the cars in GT Sport's post-launch phase have been cars we saw in GT6. Charging for them might not've went over swimmingly with the fans that waited four years for a current-gen GT title.

On the flip side, PD has such a reputation in the genre and with Sony that it's entirely possible it insisted on the DLC being free. Who knows — perhaps the business model argues extensive free DLC translates into more profit via full-game purchases than a smaller take rate of paid DLC.

Relating to that...

It was quite obvious DLC plans upto March where damage control after the games reception and resistance to the new direction.

That's an admittedly common theory, but it's just that: a theory. It's very unlikely the team was able to bash out the three dozen or so GT6 revisits — nevermind the new cars — within mere weeks of the game's launch reception. Unless you're suggesting the original plan was to make the monthly additions paid versus free, but even that seems a stretch. If the original plan was for paid DLC after the original release in autumn 2016, would you (in Sony's shoes) sign off on making it all free after a year's worth of additional costs for development?

IMO, the diversification of GT Sport over a long period of time was intentional. We're seeing the same thing elsewhere in the genre; when I talked with Dan Greenawalt about FM7 last October, one of the first questions he was asked was about the much smaller online hopper selection. He said that was from community feedback: some players were overwhelmed by too many options. GT Sport's steady roll-out of features and content allows players to focus on specific aspects of the game over time. Sport Mode had two months in the spotlight before GT League popped in, and reading the forums, quite a few offline career mode traditionalists used that time to hop into the eponymous mode. Some people didn't like it, but some did.

Also, again only a personal opinion, PD must've known it couldn't rely on winning the numbers game like it did in the PS3 era. Reframing the Gran Turismo franchise via Sport Mode made sense; there's no way the team will match Forza 7's 770 cars even if it focused solely on car models from now until PS5 launches. I've been replaying GT5 for Platinum purposes and it's, comparatively, a mess. GT Sport is lean and focused, and while that's bound to turn off the kitchen-sink portion of the playerbase, I think it was the right move.
 
I'm targeting the Platinum, and have got so far, I'll complete it. But beyond that, without very significant DLC updates, that will be it for me. I'll pick up a One X and get into Forza 7 and the Horizon titles.

The speech you've made is so meaningless that answering it seriously would be a waste of time, so I'll just say:

By:D
 
GT Sport is a games as a service with the most atrocious community management in the industry. To retain, and grow, the user base, they need plentiful, regular DLC. With The timeframes involved, significant monthly updates may not be possible. But this is where your community management comes into play. It’s 2018 and PD have the worst community management in the entire industry.....bar none. The smallest of indie games value their customers while PD and Kaz show nothing but, at best, complacency, at worst, contempt for their customers.

GT Sport dodged a bullet at launch thanks to a loyal customer base, prompt (damage control) DLC plans, heavy discounting, and a lack of credible AAA competition on PS4. We are now in April and Kaz and PD have once again gone back into their shell. All we get is a frankly pathetic couple of tweets per day with a screenshot and silly comment. It’s as if they are in a bunker with no access to the outside world.

Fans will give PD a break for April’s underwhelming update. But if this continues, with a continued lack of communication, the playerbase will move on. Leaving GT Sport as an empty shell.

Hmm.. they've already sold a boatload of copies and anything they do now for free is simply costing them money and potentially reducing the impact of the next title... if we treat GTS as a GAAS how are they monetising the ongoing free content and the ongoing maintenance of sport mode?
 
Hmm.. they've already sold a boatload of copies and anything they do now for free is simply costing them money and potentially reducing the impact of the next title... if we treat GTS as a GAAS how are they monetising the ongoing free content and the ongoing maintenance of sport mode?
It gives a positive image to PD/GT, thereby increasing sales for the next game.
 
The speech you've made is so meaningless that answering it seriously would be a waste of time, so I'll just say:

By:D
I know it’s impossible to justify Sony and PD’s mismanagement of the GT franchise. But at lease give it a try.

The track list, the car list, the patched in single-player campaign, the lack of weather options, night racing, tuning, cosmetic upgrades. The list is so numerous, most of us have given up on features that where once a staple of the series.

So let’s come back to the fundamentals, cars, tracks and communication. It’s 2018, the genre has moved on, as has the way you treat customers. Kaz may well be the heartbeat of GT, but he’s also the reason the franchise is slowing becoming a shadow of its once great self.

Just look at the recent relaunch of the God of War franchise. How Cory Barlow was front and centre promoting his title and interacting with the community. Then look at Hideo Kojima, a limited English speaker, but out and about at events, active on social media, behind the scenes photos, info etc.

When’s the last time Kaz posted anything from behind the curtain, giving us a sneak peak at what’s in the works. When’s the last time he answered fan queries, when’s the last time anyone from PD so much as acknowledged the community?

And who’s the idiot operating the official GT Twitter account? It has to be a bot, surely. That would explain the tedious tweets and lack of community interaction. If no one challenges this outdated approach, we’ll continue to be treated like ****.

Hmm.. they've already sold a boatload of copies and anything they do now for free is simply costing them money and potentially reducing the impact of the next title... if we treat GTS as a GAAS how are they monetising the ongoing free content and the ongoing maintenance of sport mode?
They’ve sold a fraction of what a mainline GT should be doing and need to cling onto current users. They are pitifully short of content and need to be supporting both GT Sport and building up their content library for GT7.

If they need to monetise new content, by all means do it. It’s the bare minimum people expect from such a title.
 
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"Once i've played this game for 300 hours, i'll probably get bored of it because of the lack of content"
 
again ' most of us' err no! replace with 'I'

'the genre has moved on' - can't see much evidence of that. PC2 is a buggy mess in comparison. AC is pretty good but the graphics have not moved on and there are still outstanding bugs several years after release. GTS has a sense of being there on the track.

Personally don't care if the game developers interact with the community - much prefer they simply made the best game and PD has done that at the moment as GTS is the benchmark.

GTS sold three times as many copies as Forza 7 at launch
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-10-23-gran-turismo-sport-finishes-first-in-uk-chart

CJ
 

That's to be expected when PS4 gamers were waiting for 4+ years for it and PS4 has more users than Xbox. It also received lackluster reviews at launch, a reason it's called "GT Short" by some, hence the "free" content we've been getting.

It is better now than it was at launch but we all want more. Hopefully, we get some of the old school tracks in down the line. I am definitely happy with it now that we have a competent single player mode, that's all I really wanted in GT, don't really play the online modes. I am glad when we get patch updates/DLC, we get new events as well.
 
To be blunt, if Kaz thinks the pathetic roster of cars and tracks are adequate, GT Sport doesn't have much of a future.
I'm sure he intends to add more cars and tracks in the future. It's just that this kind of stuff takes a considerable amount of time (and I wouldn't be surprised if most of the content added from December-March was completed fairly early on if not before launch).
 
They’ve sold a fraction of what a mainline GT should be doing

Do you have a source on this? We'd love to run an article on it.

Going by partial sales figures in various regions, it's unlikely the game has sold in the eight-figure range again, but it could very well be matching GT6's numbers. Is that bad? Possibly, but only if Sony/PD was targeting eight-figure sales numbers.

again ' most of us' err no! replace with 'I'

It's weird that you take issue with that sort of statement, only to make a similar one the same post:

much prefer they simply made the best game and PD has done that at the moment as GTS is the benchmark.

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While impressive, that statement comes with a massive asterisk:
  • It's a single region.
  • It's physical only — while both games offer different digital packages with some perks, FM7's Ultimate Edition was only available digitally, and the digital version is the only one that allows cross-play on XB1 and PC (IIRC).
  • One week =/= lifetime sales. After their debuts, at least on the GfK charts, FM7 and GT Sport have been pretty neck-and-neck. We've even covered it for months. Without hard numbers available, it's hard to tell where they fall in comparison to one another. But considering how much more consistent FH3 has tracked (again, only in the UK, not globally), it's unlikely either one of them has matched its lifetime sales (in the UK).
...So, how 'bout that April update?
 
...I'll pick up a One X and get into Forza 7 and the Horizon titles.

...don't wanna shunt FM7 and FH3 (have both games), but you will be disappointed with those two... Even though there is a lot more content then GTS has, it is far from what FM was before... sadly... and I still rather turn on PS4 and play GTS than any of those titles...
 
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