NFL 2014 Season
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Pineda's fail (the one I'm pretty sure you are bringing up) was a textbook example of how not to cheat. His pitching sucked before he put the pine tar, and he stupidly had it in a very noticeable place. Now, John Farrell might have caught onto it even if the tar wasn't noticeable, but Pineda deserved a Darwin Award for that one.
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The sad thing is that this is all about integrity of the game and is completely irrelevant to the outcome of the game in question. The Pats would have beaten the Colts with a properly inflated ball but the problem is that they had to resort to "skirting the rules".
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Look what I found: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...-footballs-were-under-inflated-043620937.html
So... now what?
So... now what?
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Can the Pats win anything without doing something shady? Even if it has zero affect? 
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I hope the Pats get penalized somehow, but I don't know how. Everyone in south florida knows how much the stupid Pats cheat. They are cheating bastids. They are prima facie cheaters because they exploit every technicality bullcrap thing they can think of.
What they do reminds me of how baseball players hide the ball in their gloves and then pretend to give it to the pitcher. Then, when the runner steps off the bag they tag the runner out. That's technically legal, but it is complete bullsquat and could even be considered unsportsmanlike.
Don Shula calls the Pats coach "Belicheat" for a reason.
What they do reminds me of how baseball players hide the ball in their gloves and then pretend to give it to the pitcher. Then, when the runner steps off the bag they tag the runner out. That's technically legal, but it is complete bullsquat and could even be considered unsportsmanlike.
Don Shula calls the Pats coach "Belicheat" for a reason.
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I didn't even know that teams get their own balls for when they are on offense, hence why I didn't grasp the significance of this whole debate as well as I might have.
Deflating the balls might confer a significant advantage in the wet, in which case it would seem fair to DQ the offending team, regardless of whether or not they were the better side.
Incidentally, according to ESPN, Aaron Rodgers likes his balls a little over-inflated...
Deflating the balls might confer a significant advantage in the wet, in which case it would seem fair to DQ the offending team, regardless of whether or not they were the better side.
Incidentally, according to ESPN, Aaron Rodgers likes his balls a little over-inflated...
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Nor when. Those balls were approved 2.5 hours before the game by the officials. Someone deflated them between then and when the officials noticed During the second quarter that the balls were deflated.
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- I_Fail_At_FPS
If the NFL confirms that someone on the Patriots staff deflated the balls, they'll most likely take away a draft pick or two, but it'll require some serious proof for the NFL to even consider the thought of forcing the Patriots to forfeit their Super Bowl appearance. I don't think that that will happen though, and to be honest, I can't see the Colts having a chance against Seattle.
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@AnthonyD1993: The Colts having a chance against Seattle is irrelevant. This has become that the Patriots have twice in less than 10 years flaunted the integrity of the game to get an edge over an opponent. Goodell needs to man up and actually have a spine for once.
Oh, by the way, think real hard about the fact that 11 of the 12 game balls that the Pats have used were under inflated, and the allegation that they under inflated the "K" balls in the Raven's game, and try to tell me with a straight face that the Patriots deserve that Super Bowl spot.
Oh, by the way, think real hard about the fact that 11 of the 12 game balls that the Pats have used were under inflated, and the allegation that they under inflated the "K" balls in the Raven's game, and try to tell me with a straight face that the Patriots deserve that Super Bowl spot.
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If the game was a field goal affair, then this could happen. Odds are though it will not happen.
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Did you miss where I said that it will require serious proof for the NFL to toss the Patriots out of the Super Bowl? That is literally all that I said on the matter. I damn well guarantee that this wouldn't be a big deal at all if this was any team other than the Patriots. I won't comment on the matter because I don't have any information other than that. This case is still very much ongoing. Give me evidence that shows that a prominent Patriots member was involved with this, and then I might actually say outright that they should be tossed. Until that, I'll sit on the sidelines and watch the train wreck that is Deflategate unfold.
By the way the game was 17-7 with the deflated balls. When the backup set that happened to be the NFL's legal air pressure were used to replace the deflated ones-the balls used in the second half, the Patriots scored 28 points with balls of legal pressure. This game was over even without deflate gate. The only way that the NFL will forfeit the game is if Bill Belichick or some other prominent member of the Patriots authorized this.
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BALL SUPPLY
Each team will make 12 primary balls available for testing by the Referee two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of
the game to meet League requirements. The home team will also make 12 backup balls available for testing in all
stadiums. In addition, the visitors, at their discretion, may bring 12 backup balls to be tested by the Referee for games
held in outdoor stadiums. For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to
the Referee, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes prior to the starting time of the game.
These balls are to be specially marked by the Referee and used exclusively for the kicking game.
Only the refs have access to the balls used for kicking.
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http://nypost.com/2015/01/22/ex-players-react-bradys-cluelessness-unbelievable/
Ex-players react: Brady‘s cluelessness ‘unbelievable’
By Howie Kussoy
Tom Brady, Brian Dawkins (top right) and Mark Brunell (bottom right) Photo: AP (2); Getty Images
For more than a decade, Tom Brady has established himself as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, one of the sport’s most popular and respected players. On Wednesday, Brady may have jeopardized his credibility for good.
Like Patriots coach Bill Belichick, Brady denied having anything to do with footballs being deflated in the AFC Championship Game and denied knowing it had occurred until the next day, but to the quarterback’s former peers, the NFL’s golden boy lost some of the luster he had earned in his 15-year career.
“I did not believe what Tom had to say,” former quarterback and ESPN analyst Mark Brunell said. “Those balls were deflated. Someone had to do it and I don’t believe there’s an equipment manager in the NFL that would on his own initiative deflate a ball without the starting quarterback’s approval. I just didn’t believe what Tom Brady had to say.”
Former Steelers running back Jerome Bettis added, “I’m so disappointed because I thought this was a perfect opportunity for Tom Brady to go and say, ‘You know what? I made a mistake. I blew it. It’s on me. I’ll take the blame here, and this will go away.’ He didn’t do that … I’m disappointed in you, Tom Brady.”
Fellow ESPN analyst Brian Dawkins said it was “unbelievable” for Brady not to be aware when he touched the balls every play, while Hall of Famer Troy Aikman agreed that the balls would not be altered unless Brady had instructed an equipment manager to do so.
“It’s obvious that Tom Brady had something to do with this,” Aikman told a Dallas radio station — before either of Brady’s or Belichick’s denials. “For the balls to be deflated, that doesn’t happen unless the quarterback wants that to happen, I can assure you of that. Now the question becomes: Did Bill Belichick know about it?”
Incredibly, the already tarnished Belichick left his press conference earlier in the day with more plausible deniability, particularly to quarterbacks familiar with the ball-picking process.
“I listened to Bill Belichick and I believed every word he said,” eight-year NFL pro Matt Leinart told The Post. “Not once did a head coach ever have any input in that. It’s strictly a quarterback-to-equipment-manager thing and that’s pretty universal. Those are the only two guys that have any part of that process.
“You go through the whole bag and you literally handpick them and say, ‘This one is good, this one’s too hard, put a little bit of air in that one, take a little bit out. … It’s a full 20-minute process to make sure on Sunday you have the exact football you want to be throwing. Quarterbacks are very, very picky about how they want their ball and that goes on everywhere.”
Leinart, now an analyst with Fox Sports, said he saw numerous things done to balls in his career, including being rubbed with varying substances and thrown in dryers, to get the right feel. He said he didn’t consider it cheating because “every team doctors up the ball to the liking of their quarterback” and that while deflation would help Brady with his grip, it would take away velocity and distance on throws.
Nevertheless, Ravens defensive end Chris Canty — whose team lost to the Patriots in the AFC divisional round — thinks it is just another example of New England’s willingness to do anything to gain an unfair edge.
“The Patriots are habitual line-steppers,” Canty said while appearing on NBCSN on Wednesday. “If the allegations are true, then you are talking about attacking the integrity of our game and I have an issue with that.
“What I’m going to say about the deflating of the balls, to me there is no difference than performance-enhancing drugs. You are cheating at that point. You are getting a competitive advantage outside of the rule book and there has to be some sort of consequences for that.”
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Aikman thinks the consequences should be harsher than the suspensions handed to the Saints for Bountygate in 2012, when NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell claimed ignorance was not an excuse.
“Sean Payton did not cheat,” Aikman said of the Saints coach who was suspended an entire year. “There was nothing that Sean Payton and the Saints did that was illegal. And they did not give themselves a competitive edge.
“Now twice, under Bill Belichick and possibly a third time, they’ve cheated and given themselves an advantage. To me, the punishment for the Patriots and/or Bill Belichick has to be more severe than what the punishment was for the New Orleans Saints.”
After a season filled with scandals — including Goodell’s indefensible decision to initially suspend Ray Rice two games in the former Ravens running back’s domestic violence case — Aikman thinks enormous pressure is on Goodell, especially due to his friendship with Patriots owner Robert Kraft.
“There’s a lot of coaches and a lot of people that look upon the Patriots as a team that’s been favored in some of the things that have happened — I thought the punishment he got for Spygate was a slap on the wrist, was next to nothing — so we’ll see,” Aikman said.
Ex-players react: Brady‘s cluelessness ‘unbelievable’
By Howie Kussoy
Tom Brady, Brian Dawkins (top right) and Mark Brunell (bottom right) Photo: AP (2); Getty Images
For more than a decade, Tom Brady has established himself as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, one of the sport’s most popular and respected players. On Wednesday, Brady may have jeopardized his credibility for good.
Like Patriots coach Bill Belichick, Brady denied having anything to do with footballs being deflated in the AFC Championship Game and denied knowing it had occurred until the next day, but to the quarterback’s former peers, the NFL’s golden boy lost some of the luster he had earned in his 15-year career.
“I did not believe what Tom had to say,” former quarterback and ESPN analyst Mark Brunell said. “Those balls were deflated. Someone had to do it and I don’t believe there’s an equipment manager in the NFL that would on his own initiative deflate a ball without the starting quarterback’s approval. I just didn’t believe what Tom Brady had to say.”
Former Steelers running back Jerome Bettis added, “I’m so disappointed because I thought this was a perfect opportunity for Tom Brady to go and say, ‘You know what? I made a mistake. I blew it. It’s on me. I’ll take the blame here, and this will go away.’ He didn’t do that … I’m disappointed in you, Tom Brady.”
Fellow ESPN analyst Brian Dawkins said it was “unbelievable” for Brady not to be aware when he touched the balls every play, while Hall of Famer Troy Aikman agreed that the balls would not be altered unless Brady had instructed an equipment manager to do so.
“It’s obvious that Tom Brady had something to do with this,” Aikman told a Dallas radio station — before either of Brady’s or Belichick’s denials. “For the balls to be deflated, that doesn’t happen unless the quarterback wants that to happen, I can assure you of that. Now the question becomes: Did Bill Belichick know about it?”
Incredibly, the already tarnished Belichick left his press conference earlier in the day with more plausible deniability, particularly to quarterbacks familiar with the ball-picking process.
“I listened to Bill Belichick and I believed every word he said,” eight-year NFL pro Matt Leinart told The Post. “Not once did a head coach ever have any input in that. It’s strictly a quarterback-to-equipment-manager thing and that’s pretty universal. Those are the only two guys that have any part of that process.
“You go through the whole bag and you literally handpick them and say, ‘This one is good, this one’s too hard, put a little bit of air in that one, take a little bit out. … It’s a full 20-minute process to make sure on Sunday you have the exact football you want to be throwing. Quarterbacks are very, very picky about how they want their ball and that goes on everywhere.”
Leinart, now an analyst with Fox Sports, said he saw numerous things done to balls in his career, including being rubbed with varying substances and thrown in dryers, to get the right feel. He said he didn’t consider it cheating because “every team doctors up the ball to the liking of their quarterback” and that while deflation would help Brady with his grip, it would take away velocity and distance on throws.
Nevertheless, Ravens defensive end Chris Canty — whose team lost to the Patriots in the AFC divisional round — thinks it is just another example of New England’s willingness to do anything to gain an unfair edge.
“The Patriots are habitual line-steppers,” Canty said while appearing on NBCSN on Wednesday. “If the allegations are true, then you are talking about attacking the integrity of our game and I have an issue with that.
“What I’m going to say about the deflating of the balls, to me there is no difference than performance-enhancing drugs. You are cheating at that point. You are getting a competitive advantage outside of the rule book and there has to be some sort of consequences for that.”
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Troy Aikman
Aikman thinks the consequences should be harsher than the suspensions handed to the Saints for Bountygate in 2012, when NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell claimed ignorance was not an excuse.
“Sean Payton did not cheat,” Aikman said of the Saints coach who was suspended an entire year. “There was nothing that Sean Payton and the Saints did that was illegal. And they did not give themselves a competitive edge.
“Now twice, under Bill Belichick and possibly a third time, they’ve cheated and given themselves an advantage. To me, the punishment for the Patriots and/or Bill Belichick has to be more severe than what the punishment was for the New Orleans Saints.”
After a season filled with scandals — including Goodell’s indefensible decision to initially suspend Ray Rice two games in the former Ravens running back’s domestic violence case — Aikman thinks enormous pressure is on Goodell, especially due to his friendship with Patriots owner Robert Kraft.
“There’s a lot of coaches and a lot of people that look upon the Patriots as a team that’s been favored in some of the things that have happened — I thought the punishment he got for Spygate was a slap on the wrist, was next to nothing — so we’ll see,” Aikman said.
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