Nissan Silvia Fan Club

[Moriquendi]

earlier 180sx's didn't come with ABS =\

and that SR is a redtop from it LOOKS LIKE a 92. like i said before, somebody must have put a redtop in a later model car.

well, it`s nto really a 180sx. it`s the european version. RS13 is the "codename" of them.

and my ABS saved me 3 times. wonder how that happened if it wasn`t there!


and so to say every other european s13 i`ve seen has ABS in it. when i think of it, i don`t know if i`ve seen anyone without it....

 

[Jay]

lol I have seen any earlier RS13/RPS13's with it, must be a euro thing.

 

[Delphic Reason]

Yea, 90. SR swap was pretty straight forward, I've done two before (one not owned by me, and then one in my late S14, which got wrecked), so its no prob. We did the SR swap and the 5 lug conversion in the same weekend, team of 5 of us working on it. All the main work on my vehicle, short of my drive-shaft fabrication, was done by myself and my crew.

edit: Good choice on the coupe. Rear end is more stable than the hatches, as all they are is a glorified roadster. That huge rear window doesnt really help with frame stability. They're also lighter than hatches =)

Nice... Do you have access to a lift, or did you just drive it up on ramps to install the exhaust?... I will definitely be swapping the KA24DE for an SR20DET in the future (as funds allow) and I will be doing it myself... I am looking forward to it... However, it is a while off.. I need to deal with the suspension first... I'm in an Automotive Program at the moment (#1 in the US), so my funds are low (I just had to shell out a bunch of money for tools)... However, this next summer I will have more money, so hhopefully I will be able to get the swap done... I was thinking of swapping in the S14 blacktop.. Is there anything different about this swap, as opposed to the red top swap?...

Sorry for all the questions... I try to get all the information I can out of fellow S13 owners.. I hope you don't mind...

 

[flohtingPoint]

Nice... Do you have access to a lift, or did you just drive it up on ramps to install the exhaust?... I will definitely be swapping the KA24DE for an SR20DET in the future (as funds allow) and I will be doing it myself... I am looking forward to it... However, it is a while off.. I need to deal with the suspension first... I'm in an Automotive Program at the moment (#1 in the US), so my funds are low (I just had to shell out a bunch of money for tools)... However, this next summer I will have more money, so hhopefully I will be able to get the swap done... I was thinking of swapping in the S14 blacktop.. Is there anything different about this swap, as opposed to the red top swap?...

Sorry for all the questions... I try to get all the information I can out of fellow S13 owners.. I hope you don't mind...

Yea, I'm in the military, so we all have access to lifts. Be it at the motorpool or at the auto-hobby shop.

Suspension huh? What are you thinking of doing there? I have Cusco Zero2's, and I have nothing but good things to say about them. Little rugged for everyday driving, but get it out there in autox, and you're a beast. Other than these, I was going to get either JIC Magic's FLT-A2's or Tein RA's. I had Flexes on my S14 for a while, bought them used and had them rebuilt, they were decent.

S14 Blacktop, had that in my S14. Was a great motor, but the process to install is a little more extensive than a S13 redtop/blacktop. Nothing you need McGuyver for though, its just a few things due to the motor having VVT. One downside to the VVT Blacktop is its lowport head, which limits cam size. Most people that I know, that are going to go beserk with their Nissan, get a S13 motor, due to the fact that you can stick some honker cams in.

Dont sweat the questions, ask away if need be =)

 

[Moriquendi]

Yea, I'm in the military, so we all have access to lifts. Be it at the motorpool or at the auto-hobby shop.

Suspension huh? What are you thinking of doing there? I have Cusco Zero2's, and I have nothing but good things to say about them. Little rugged for everyday driving, but get it out there in autox, and you're a beast. Other than these, I was going to get either JIC Magic's FLT-A2's or Tein RA's. I had Flexes on my S14 for a while, bought them used and had them rebuilt, they were decent.

S14 Blacktop, had that in my S14. Was a great motor, but the process to install is a little more extensive than a S13 redtop/blacktop. Nothing you need McGuyver for though, its just a few things due to the motor having VVT. One downside to the VVT Blacktop is its lowport head, which limits cam size. Most people that I know, that are going to go beserk with their Nissan, get a S13 motor, due to the fact that you can stick some honker cams in.

Dont sweat the questions, ask away if need be =)

and again: in the "nissan-language" it`s VVL

and it works like this:

Pic 1

Pic 2

Pic 3

Pic4

Pic 5

Pic 6

Here is a quick explaination of how the VVL valvetrain works. If you notice in pic#5 (The shaft in the center). This shaft runs through the head from one end to the other. This shaft does not spin and is staked by a small bolt at the cam gear side of the head. There is a Channel that runs the length of the shaft. The end of the shaft is blocked off. There are four feed holes, which are located at each rocker arm location. The rocker arms are located on a pair of valves. The other end of the rocker arm pivots on the shaft. Notice The "whole" or the channel the shaft runs through (Pic#1). As the solenoid(top of pic#5) is activated, there is a passage in the head that opens and allows the oil to pass through the shaft. At this point the oil passes through the feed wholes (Notice pic#2) into the rocker arms. This pushes the pin foward in the rocker arm. (notice pic#3) This locks the center part of the rocker arm which enables the center cam lobe. Notice pic #4. This engine works completely different than a DE. There are no "lifters" pushing the rocker arms up. The shaft is machined at the proper height for the rocker to swivel or rotate on. The lash adjustment is adjusted by the shims on top of the valves. This is a completely mechanical operating system. The only hydraulic part of this set up is the pin which enables the center part of the rocker arm to activate.

I hope this is a good explaination for those of you who do not understand how this works.

 

[flohtingPoint]

and again: in the "nissan-language" it`s VVL

eh... sorta dude. The first nissan turbo motor to come out with VVL was the SR20VET. When reference to a SR20DET (S14/S15), its VVT or VTC. Dont believe me? Ask around on nico. Variable Valve Timing adjusts the timing at lower RPMs for a stronger low-end but it doesn't increase the valve lift.

 

[Moriquendi]

eh... sorta dude. The first nissan turbo motor to come out with VVL was the SR20VET. When reference to a SR20DET (S14/S15), its VVT or VTC. Dont believe me? Ask around on nico.

when it`s about the sr20det it`s VVL and the SR20VET it`s VVT or whatever. thats atleast what the people in the norwegian owners group has found out.

and the intake-cam on the s14 blacktop is the same as the one on that pic.

VVT is what toyota has? isn`t it? the new celica VVT-i and stuff like that?

 

[flohtingPoint]

when it`s about the sr20det it`s VVL and the SR20VET it`s VVT or whatever. thats atleast what the people in the norwegian owners group has found out.

and the intake-cam on the s14 blacktop is the same as the one on that pic.

VVT is what toyota has? isn`t it? the new celica VVT-i and stuff like that?

No lift control on DE's. VE's came with Nissans Neo-VVL system.

 

[Moriquendi]

your right those pics i posted is not from a s14/s15 blacktop.

but when the sr20det blacktop gets over 5k rpm`s or something it`s something with the oil pressure that twists the intake cam or something?

*needds to sit down and read more*

 

[EludeR]

Nice... Do you have access to a lift, or did you just drive it up on ramps to install the exhaust?... I will definitely be swapping the KA24DE for an SR20DET in the future (as funds allow) and I will be doing it myself... I am looking forward to it... However, it is a while off.. I need to deal with the suspension first... I'm in an Automotive Program at the moment (#1 in the US), so my funds are low (I just had to shell out a bunch of money for tools)... However, this next summer I will have more money, so hhopefully I will be able to get the swap done... I was thinking of swapping in the S14 blacktop.. Is there anything different about this swap, as opposed to the red top swap?...

Sorry for all the questions... I try to get all the information I can out of fellow S13 owners.. I hope you don't mind...

Wich school is that ? iam considering a school to study at myself ...as far as a s14motorset into a s13 the main diffrences are wiring and the speed sensor location (dont know the exact details) but why would you want a s14 motorset in your s13 ? the s13 engines are less complicated ,afaik give a better bang per a modification , all while being cheaper then a s14 motorset. Drifting.com has a pretty good sr20det swap video (wich i have possession of) wich may want to check out http://store.driftingshop.com/sh180sswandm.html

 

[Delphic Reason]

Yea, I'm in the military, so we all have access to lifts. Be it at the motorpool or at the auto-hobby shop.

Suspension huh? What are you thinking of doing there? I have Cusco Zero2's, and I have nothing but good things to say about them. Little rugged for everyday driving, but get it out there in autox, and you're a beast. Other than these, I was going to get either JIC Magic's FLT-A2's or Tein RA's. I had Flexes on my S14 for a while, bought them used and had them rebuilt, they were decent.

S14 Blacktop, had that in my S14. Was a great motor, but the process to install is a little more extensive than a S13 redtop/blacktop. Nothing you need McGuyver for though, its just a few things due to the motor having VVT. One downside to the VVT Blacktop is its lowport head, which limits cam size. Most people that I know, that are going to go beserk with their Nissan, get a S13 motor, due to the fact that you can stick some honker cams in.

Dont sweat the questions, ask away if need be =)

Wonderful... That's exactly the kind of info I need... I was planning on installing much larger cams in the SR, so the red top sounds like a better option, and much more cost effective... I was thinking about the Teins or the JIC Magics, as well as the Cusco's... It just depends on what I can find a good deal on... Thankyou for the information it is greatly appreciated...

Wich school is that ? iam considering a school to study at myself

It's a 2 year technical program at Skagit Valley College (Mt. Vernon, WA)... It covers everything from mechanics to electronics to welding... It was rated #1 in the nation recently... It's an amazing program... I just started on the 20th of September, but already I am learning a lot...

Drifting.com has a pretty good sr20det swap video (wich i have possession of) wich may want to check out

This is exactly the kind of thing I have been looking for... This is perfect... Thankyou...


This has been a very informative day at GTP... Nissan owners rule...

 

[EludeR]

, so the red top sounds like a better option,


This has been a very informative day at GTP... Nissan owners rule...

the redtop is also the sexiest looking of the bunch nissans p4wn i'll make a new thread showing pics of mines

 

[Delphic Reason]

i'll make a new thread showing pics of mines

Please do...

 

[EludeR]

Please do...

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=49436 already did , should be showing up in my sig btw have some more pics to post 2morrow posted a album of other stuff i have laying around too

 

[flohtingPoint]

Wonderful... That's exactly the kind of info I need... I was planning on installing much larger cams in the SR, so the red top sounds like a better option, and much more cost effective... I was thinking about the Teins or the JIC Magics, as well as the Cusco's... It just depends on what I can find a good deal on... Thankyou for the information it is greatly appreciated...

FLT-A1's are decent, if you're looking for bang for your buck. Tein's RA and above are great, but hard to find due to the fact that everyone buys HE's (which are ballsack in my opinion). As far as anything other than JIC, Tein, or Cusco, I cant really be of much help, thats all I've driven on. Somethings you want to look for when suspension shopping is:

-independent height adjustment (so you dont have to jack with spring tension)
-refurbishable (yea, we all jack up our coilovers from time to time)
-adjustable dampening
-english support (for if you have issues with a certain coilover)
-Price

 

[pRaHjeC]

yeah, flt-a1's aren't really all that great, my friend had some for a while and didn't like them at all. then he got cusco zero2r's, and he couldn't be happier. and i must say, his car handles like a damn beast.

i would suggest the cusco zero2r coilovers, or tein RA's. everybody knows that RA's are crazy O_O

 

[Delphic Reason]

I am installing Brembo cross drilled/slotted rotors and Metal Master brake pads in the next few days... 300ZX or Q45 Alluminum calipers will come later... I will post pics of before and after, for those who are interested...

 

[Jay]

Yes very interested.

 

[Dorifto]

Alright so I have about $1500 to spend on my car. I'm thinking about a Silk Road Racing turbo manifold, Blitz or Apex i downpipe, and then some sort of cat back exaust system. What do you all think?

 

[Delphic Reason]

Yes very interested.

Well, I finished my brake upgrade project... The removal of the old, and the installation of the new was the easy part. The hard part was cleaning the calipers that were to be reused. Years of dirt and baked on brake dust makes for a difficult cleaning process. However, thanks to a little Simple Green, some steel wool, a wire brush (drill bit), and a lot of elbow grease, they were ready for paint.... I decided to paint them a cast alluminum color so they would look good but still be relatively understated...

Rotors: Brembo cross drilled/slotted and vented
Pads: Axxis Metalic

Before:

After (rear):

Front:

Rotors, before and after:

Calipers, before and after:

I also debadged the rear of the car... I will have more pics soon...

 

[flohtingPoint]

Alright so I have about $1500 to spend on my car. I'm thinking about a Silk Road Racing turbo manifold, Blitz or Apex i downpipe, and then some sort of cat back exaust system. What do you all think?

Alot easier to do an exhaust manif at the same time you do a turbo upgrade. If you dont have coils yet, I'd get them now. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Delphic Reason]

Alot easier to do an exhaust manif at the same time you do a turbo upgrade. If you dont have coils yet, I'd get them now. Just my 2 cents.

Indeed... If I had $1500 I would definitely be getting some coilovers on my S13...

 

[Dorifto]

I have Tein Flex coilovers with the EDFC...

 

[flohtingPoint]

i said skivieighty
note the ivie part :-D RB20/25 powered rps with a s15 front end and kouki tails ....

I love these stupid nicknames that people debate over.
Guy 1: D00d I have a silviline!
Guy 2: NoZ dude! You have a Skitan!
Guy 1: Oh yea, didnt notice that truck rear end.

You have a 240SX, that name is sufficient.

 

[flohtingPoint]

I have Tein Flex coilovers with the EDFC...

Id upgrade from the TB first, then do turbo + exhaust mainf in one swoop.

 

[Dorifto]

Tb?

 

[flohtingPoint]

Tb?

Turbo back. Start with your exten, then work your way to dp, straight, and cbe.

 

[EludeR]

I love these stupid nicknames that people debate over.
Guy 1: D00d I have a silviline!
Guy 2: NoZ dude! You have a Skitan!
Guy 1: Oh yea, didnt notice that truck rear end.

You have a 240SX, that name is sufficient.

i was just having fun

 

[flohtingPoint]

i was just having fun

No worries dude, I was just f-in around =P

 

[flohtingPoint]

looks quite lovely man!

one of my friends has zero-2's on his S13 fastback, i love the way you can feel every rock you roll over while driving =D

stiffness = magnificent

oh i just noticed you have the SE wheels from an S14, looks pretty nice man. what did you use to make your car 5 lug? i hear alot of people using the Z32 ****s for 5 lug, but there are companies that make 5 lug conversions right?

Just noticed this. Sorry about the delay. I left for my deployment the day after I posted the zero2 post, and this site was proxied at that area, so thats why I didnt reply sooner.

I use S14 wheels cause they clear my 300ZX brakes, and I only really use them for road driving, as they are only 6.5 wide. I have 5Zigen FN01RC's for track usage (cheap off phase2).

For the front I used Z32 lugs, rear I have lugs from a S14 (rear suspension mounting is the same as S13, 300ZX is diff). Brakes/calips are from a 300ZX. There are a few companies that make the 5 lug swap, but its cheaper to just visit your bone yard and harvest some.