No Love For The Oldies?
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I guess I blamed his ingnorence on maybe the fact he was too young (I was born 73') but i guess stupidity has no age barrier
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Erm... nope.
Why are they "useless" just because you don't want to race them? Firstly, GT4 had plenty of race series for the older cars, so including them wasn't useless as you were able to race them. I'm sure GT5 will be the same.
Secondly, they add variety. I will literally die if GT5 is full of only modern cars, because it'd be a crying shame to exclude so much. Drive the 512BB and F430 back to back in GT5P and you'll see how different classics can be to modern cars even with a similar layout, and yet how fun the 512 is. You can apply that right down and up the power spectrum too, so your classic race cars would feel different, and your classic city cars would too. Doesn't make them less worthy. Especially gorgeous classics like Alfa Romeos.
Thirdly, GT5 is a driving simulator, not a racing one. I'll gladly drive every single car in the game, but I don't have to race them all for them to be worthy of being in the game.
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- Germany at Nürburgring
i don´t realy thing they will make old race cars in it, just like the 2 alfas. i take about old normal cars. yes they had race series for old cars, but only one or two series you can drive with an alfa or so. and at the other series you have new cars. so many race series were in gt4, and only one or two are with classic cars, i don´t talk about the muscle cars events. so in that point they were usless for me.
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That's the important bit of what you just said - useless "for me". Doesn't by any means mean they don't have as much right to be in the game as any other car. Personally, I probably drove a 50/50 mix of older and newer cars. Okay, there weren't many classic series in the game but there were plenty of time trials, race meetings at each track, free runs, photo modes etc, all of which could be used with the classics.
I'm sure if there are more classics in GT5, there will be more places to use them too.
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- Buckeye Nation
Computers,traction control,anti-lock,rev limiters and all the such driving aids are fine aids to enhance the drivers experience,regardless of his / her driving skills , but as I mentioned in a previous thread somewhere ," they are only as good as the person holding the steering wheel " . Where I am going with this is : who personally has ever driven an older car of any such make ,model , horsepower , no power steering , no power brakes , no creature comforts ( power windows,locks,tilt telescoping wheel,a/c,any goody goodies ) . I myself can say that I have driven, muscle cars , British MG ,Healy's,Triumph TR4,6,7 , once for a very - and I say very short trip , a Countach ,these cars are a true pleasure to drive , and unless you have driven them yourself , you really have no legs to stand on , other than what you read or hear about !!! ( journilistic opinions are way too biased ) , you need to do it for yourself , then you will realize what classics are all about.Secondly , go to races of various types and compare the driving skills involved - ( watch the driver in the cockpit,not the car itself ), refering to vintage racing of all makes - sawing the wheel back and forth to keep control,grabbing gears,mirroring to keep their position,the struggles alone in an older car make you appreciate what these cars are , and the driving skills involved,makes you appreciate the drivers as well. These cars will be around 'till the end of time , so why not pay tribute to these fine machines , put more of them in the game !!!!
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- Potsdam-Germany
- Loonie_GTRP
I would like to see as many classics in GT5 as possible!
I really love the raw look ( and sound ) of the 60s & 70s racing cars.
And I think, they just don't have to be missed in a *museum simulation racing game*, which GT5 wants to be.
Think of the Capris, the Vettes, the Shelbys, the Porsches, the Elans, the BMWs and so on....
Nothing to say about this era's the road cars as well....just love them, just want to drive them.
I really love the raw look ( and sound ) of the 60s & 70s racing cars.
And I think, they just don't have to be missed in a *museum simulation racing game*, which GT5 wants to be.
Think of the Capris, the Vettes, the Shelbys, the Porsches, the Elans, the BMWs and so on....
Nothing to say about this era's the road cars as well....just love them, just want to drive them.
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- Danville/VA/US
- japan_gator
get rid of those old ugly cars and bring in the new sleek looking cars, those old rust buckets have got to go
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I thought your response in the other thread was a joke, but wow.
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- Danville/VA/US
- japan_gator
Reventón;3096753I thought your response in the other thread was a joke, but wow.
my grandpa took a long talk with me about those old cars and now I take everything back about them, I think I might be hanging around too many cyborg freaks, he told it was about passion but how do I feel passion?
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- gtp_jimprower
If you ever get the chance, Drive one in anger. You'll find out.
It's impossible to convey in words the feeling one gets when driving one of those old cars...it's also impossible to convey it through an electronic box.
It's impossible to convey in words the feeling one gets when driving one of those old cars...it's also impossible to convey it through an electronic box.
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my grandpa took a long talk with me about those old cars and now I take everything back about them, I think I might be hanging around too many cyborg freaks, he told it was about passion but how do I feel passion?
The best way I can suggest is go to an old car show.
I've never disliked classic cars but I didn't use to have the appreciation I have for them now, that is something that's built up over time. I used to find nothing special with old motorcycles, but I went to a classic bike race and discovered what beautiful machines they were, the gorgeous smell of Castrol R two-stroke oil and the sounds. I went to a classic hillclimb a while ago too, there were cars from the 1920s and 1930s there again again I fell in love. I saw a car there that's become of of my favourites of anything, a 1930s Austin 7 special:
Now you may think it's nothing special, maybe even ugly, and that's fair enough. But when you're next to it, peering at every single mechanical element that's exposed, the engine, the gear linkage, the copper fluid pipes weaving their way around, you just know how much effort has gone into creating even such a small car as that, and how it's undoubtably a proper racing car even though it's only got a 400cc engine and rickety wire wheels. And it was drawing a crowd like no other car on the day, even next to the 1970s Brabham single seaters, Lotuses, Alfa Romeos and Morgans.
When you go to an old car show, you get the aroma of petrol and oil, all the beautiful glinting paintwork and chrome, amazing shapes, and the passion of the people who own these pieces of automotive art and who love to tell you all about them. Old cars have a personality in a way modern machines never could, to drive they're more full of feel, you hear the sounds more than you do cocooned in modern cars, they require delicacy and effort at the same time.
Above all, you have to remember that without lessons learned throughout the years, all the way through classics to today, the cars today would not be the same as they are.
This is a rather long post... but then perhaps it's a perfect example of the sort of passion that I have for old cars, and a large number of other users of this forum do too. It does take time to appreciate classics like this, but you'll understand the "passion" concept when you do.
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- ULTRA-FLOW
I love this oldie!
In 1976, film makers Byron Kennedy and George Miller began pre-production on Mad Max. They needed a vehicle to feature in the film as the black police 'Interceptor' - a high performance, evil looking Australian car and they create this fantastic machine:
The Ford Falcon (XB) GT Coupe V8 Interceptor '73
In 1976, film makers Byron Kennedy and George Miller began pre-production on Mad Max. They needed a vehicle to feature in the film as the black police 'Interceptor' - a high performance, evil looking Australian car and they create this fantastic machine:
The Ford Falcon (XB) GT Coupe V8 Interceptor '73
I thought classic American Muscle got screwed big time in GT4. The Japanese don't give our cars enough credit. They all sounded the same, and tuning them was just like tuning anything else.
If the US is getting into GT5, then maybe we have a shot, but if not... We're screwed again.
If the US is getting into GT5, then maybe we have a shot, but if not... We're screwed again.
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I think we're screwed again.
and I too, was very disappointed with the Classic Muscle in GT4.
and I too, was very disappointed with the Classic Muscle in GT4.
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- United Kingdom
I was quite impressed by the classic muscle, but then maybe being a Brit my expectations weren't as high and I was just happy to be able to race some old US muscle cars.
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- AERO_HDT
- AERO_HDT
This is perhaps one of the most entertaining threads I've ever read on this Forum and and over the last hour or so, my emotions have been on a bit of a rollercoaster! Fantastic!
I'm not going to jump on anyone's backs, but I can't think of a Japanese car that would match an American equivalent prior to 1975. 1980 onwards, I think the Japanese might just have the wood over the US scene. But as for classic muscle, the Americans had the best cars in the world, drag, oval or track.
And don't someone say Ferrari, because we all know how Ford made that scenario turn out, hehe!
On the GT-R: Too big, too heavy, not enough soul. Sorry to say this, but I am a huge GTR fan and I run a Nissan-powered car, but the R35 is... too clinical.
It's like a nurse. Some people find nurses sexy, but I'd much rather go for a half-nekkid Brazilian on a beach!
There is no denying that the GTR is astonishingly quick. Well perhaps that's no surprise, given it's Nissan's finest, but how many people are going to be talking about this car when the next Supra and NSX hit the roads?
And on the subject of ugly Alfas.... yeah, they're an acquired taste for some. Hence my acquired taste of an Aussie Alfa that you guys probably never even heard of before....
The Alfa Giocattolo was an Aussie creation which used the Alfa GTV6 as the base car and everything was thrown out in favour of a 5.0 litre Holden V8 engine. 15 of these cars were built before the project died and one bloke, Todd Wilkes (RIP) killed himself in this car after he fitted a 1200bhp twin turbo Holden motor to it which he took out of his beloved Horsepower Heroes machine. His 2nd run down the quarter mile in this car resulted in brake failure and the rest as they say... is history.
I'd love to see this car in GT5. I've detailed one (of 15!) and was never allowed to drive it, but the sheer joy of listening to an Alfa on steroids whenever it came around was... orgasmic.
Five litre road eater....
I'm not going to jump on anyone's backs, but I can't think of a Japanese car that would match an American equivalent prior to 1975. 1980 onwards, I think the Japanese might just have the wood over the US scene. But as for classic muscle, the Americans had the best cars in the world, drag, oval or track.
And don't someone say Ferrari, because we all know how Ford made that scenario turn out, hehe!
On the GT-R: Too big, too heavy, not enough soul. Sorry to say this, but I am a huge GTR fan and I run a Nissan-powered car, but the R35 is... too clinical.
It's like a nurse. Some people find nurses sexy, but I'd much rather go for a half-nekkid Brazilian on a beach!
There is no denying that the GTR is astonishingly quick. Well perhaps that's no surprise, given it's Nissan's finest, but how many people are going to be talking about this car when the next Supra and NSX hit the roads?
And on the subject of ugly Alfas.... yeah, they're an acquired taste for some. Hence my acquired taste of an Aussie Alfa that you guys probably never even heard of before....
The Alfa Giocattolo was an Aussie creation which used the Alfa GTV6 as the base car and everything was thrown out in favour of a 5.0 litre Holden V8 engine. 15 of these cars were built before the project died and one bloke, Todd Wilkes (RIP) killed himself in this car after he fitted a 1200bhp twin turbo Holden motor to it which he took out of his beloved Horsepower Heroes machine. His 2nd run down the quarter mile in this car resulted in brake failure and the rest as they say... is history.
I'd love to see this car in GT5. I've detailed one (of 15!) and was never allowed to drive it, but the sheer joy of listening to an Alfa on steroids whenever it came around was... orgasmic.
Five litre road eater....
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- VIPERGTS01
Nissan powered car?.... Aero HDT?.......Nice VL.
Me, hopefully when I am driving one, but really I wouldn't expect the GTR to just be forgotten about that easily, especially as they will/are at a price people can afford and we will see them around (unlike the Veyron for example). not to mention how it is dominating Super GT.
The Alfa Giocattolo was an Aussie creation which used the Alfa GTV6 as the base car
Actually that car is a Alfa Romeo sprint based, I know them well as I used to drive one a fair bit (Sprint). I remember well when Todd Wilkes killed himself in one, reminded me when the inboard brakes failed in the Sprint I was in (no BS), was just gald there wasnt 1200hp in that one at the time.
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- B_Spilner_BNR34
Don't call your self a GTR fan if you don't like the R35. Because it has the same spirit as the R32/33/34.
And i think you mean the LF-A and not supra. And belive me no one will forget the GTR when the NSX and LFA arive. The LF-A is gonna be faster than the GTR and the NSX maybe too. But with a price tage of +$200000 i don't think you can compare them with the GTR.
The V-spec GTR is gonna be out by the end of the year, and will be faster than those two.
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- AERO_HDT
- AERO_HDT
The GTR is too big and too ugly to be called a Skyline. Doesn't have the famous straight six engine too which has been in these cars since day dot.
Round headlights, fat arse and all-wheel drive do not a Skyline GTR make!
Nice to see someone knows what a Commodore is! LOL!
Round headlights, fat arse and all-wheel drive do not a Skyline GTR make!
Nice to see someone knows what a Commodore is! LOL!
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- Amsterdam
- B_Spilner_BNR34
First of all it isn't a skyline but a GTR, the V36 is the skyline. And no they don't have a straight 6 but the new VR38 V6 is much lighter than the RB and has a better weight distribution. And you may find it ugly but lets stay with the facts here. And not opinions.
And another thing, the R35 is about the same size as the R34. And its the same length as the R33, so go check you facts next time.
R33 GTR
4,640mm, 1,720mm, 1,340mm
R34 GTR
4,580mm, 1,720mm, 1,340mm.
R35 GTR
4655 mm, 1895 mm, 1370 mm
Its a GTR if you like it or not!
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- JDA1982
I think you'll find it's not the same size as the R34, it's almost the same lenth as the R33 but still 1.5cm longer, so that's close but they arn't the same. However it's a whole 17.5cm's wider than both cars. That's a big difference. you said stick to the facts, the facts are the R35 is the R35 is bigger in every dimension and notably so in width.
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- AERO_HDT
- AERO_HDT
Geee STJ88, I've never seen someone so defensive before about Japanese cars. Especially the GTR.
What facts mate? The fact is the GTR is BIGGER than the R34, plain and simple. It's wider, longer, heavier, that's the FACT.
You make it sound like people are uneducated here. I remember you calling a KPGC race car a standard road car with plastic headlights a few pages ago. I also recall you saying that US Iron was no good against Japanese cars of the time and weren't any good on a track. Now I've got you saying that a GTR is the same size as previous R-series Skylines?
Look I reckon you've copped enough flak in this thread and you're a one man army, but maybe you should read my posts a little more carefully next time. And I'm not a GTR hater, it's the best thing to come out of Japan for a long long time. I just think it's too cold-hearted in it's approach.
I've had plenty of time to warm to it as well. 8 years in fact, hehe. But it still doesn't grab me.
What facts mate? The fact is the GTR is BIGGER than the R34, plain and simple. It's wider, longer, heavier, that's the FACT.
You make it sound like people are uneducated here. I remember you calling a KPGC race car a standard road car with plastic headlights a few pages ago. I also recall you saying that US Iron was no good against Japanese cars of the time and weren't any good on a track. Now I've got you saying that a GTR is the same size as previous R-series Skylines?
Look I reckon you've copped enough flak in this thread and you're a one man army, but maybe you should read my posts a little more carefully next time. And I'm not a GTR hater, it's the best thing to come out of Japan for a long long time. I just think it's too cold-hearted in it's approach.
I've had plenty of time to warm to it as well. 8 years in fact, hehe. But it still doesn't grab me.
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Didn't I post pictures proving that very fact?
Dan Neil of the LA Times agrees with you. http://www.drivesouth.co.nz/news/5735/nissan-gtr-039more-like-two-tons-of-fluffy-kitten039-dan-neil-la-times
"...for all its pants-ripping performance, the GT-R is surprisingly - amazingly - not all that exciting to drive.
Oh yeah, there's epic velocity here, and yet, because there is so much assurance, so many layers of electronic self-preservation, there isn't much frisson or fear. Without fear, there is no fun.
Nissan doesn't even blush. Here's a direct quote from the product briefing: "GT-R offers supercar performance to a broad range of customers for the first time without intimidation.''
Despite the GT-R's official nickname, "Godzilla,'' it's more like 2 tons of fluffy kitten."
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Maybe this will solve some problems, or just create more:
