Non-Race car Super Lap - Willow Springs International Raceway: Streets of Willow

[Woodski_427]

Firstly tried my Spitfire at 500pp, just to see where I could get - a solid 1:26 Bronze. I couldn't see me making silver in it.

Then I used @CyKosis1973 05' Imprezza and got 1:18.6xx after 10 laps of hoonery. This is a Nordschleife tune though, so I re-jigged the gears to be very close and short-shifted (kept me busy, and I'm not sure how much advantage it gave).

Then I tried my own Range Rover Evoque (despite PDs suggestion of using small cars ). That was fun, I got 1:18.003 and should see another 0.5 with a tidier lap.

I do grow to like this track after a few laps - frustrating at first but once I shout 'slow-is-fast!' at myself a few times, the improvements come.

 

[CyKosis1973]

Firstly tried my Spitfire at 500pp, just to see where I could get - a solid 1:26 Bronze. I couldn't see me making silver in it.

Then I used @CyKosis1973 05' Imprezza and got 1:18.6xx after 10 laps of hoonery. This is a Nordschleife tune though, so I re-jigged the gears to be very close and short-shifted (kept me busy, and I'm not sure how much advantage it gave).

Then I tried my own Range Rover Evoque (despite PDs suggestion of using small cars ). That was fun, I got 1:18.003 and should see another 0.5 with a tidier lap.

I do grow to like this track after a few laps - frustrating at first but once I shout 'slow-is-fast!' at myself a few times, the improvements come.

Glad the Scoobaroo is earning its keep, it's not a flat track specialist, I expect it struggles a little in the wide, fast corners. Much happier on tracks with fast direction changes. I'll have to have a look at this event, after the in-laws have gone

You can set the gearbox in the same fashion I did, but to suit different speeds quite easily. You'll need to ascertain your desired top speed first, then follow the gearbox instructions as per the tune, but when you set the 'Max Speed', set it to close to what you want to be doing.

Set Default
Set FD to max (full right)
Set desired speed
Reduce FD by 0.500

It's a Mickey Mouse way to set gears, but it means you end up with a high final drive, which suits driving auto quite nicely 👍

{Cy}

 

[et_]

You should have done at least 2 (two) laps, braking points are always wrong in the first lap (to say the least).

Well, it was only a quick run to get the prize money while I have the login bonus up, will do serious attempts towards the end. I just found it odd that I managed 13'th after it had been up for almost 24 hours. in contrast, the single lap I ran with the FGT ended up 92'nd

You bastard
So take an old car, new tune, drive your ass off over there@sweden, push to the limits - an then quote me again my old friend 👍

heeeey! Cenno_Lebedev my old friend! I did'nt realize that was you. I have'nt heard from you in ages! when did you join GTP?
And how is BATracer going? are you still playing?

 

[eclipsee]

Well, it was only a quick run to get the prize money while I have the login bonus up, will do serious attempts towards the end. I just found it odd that I managed 13'th after it had been up for almost 24 hours. in contrast, the single lap I ran with the FGT ended up 92'nd

I understand now, I would have done two laps though.

 

[nExx]

I understand now, I would have done two laps though.

First lap and #13?
Wow....!
But, I did #83 on my first session, so also ok. Still, I have yet to finish an event in the Top100! I always get bored towards the end and then knocked out of the Top100

 

[Silvia S14]

Managed Silver with a bone stock (No Oil change) 86BTR. I'm definitely not an alien driver, so there is much room for improvement. May have to break out my Miura if all else fails. I try to do all the challenges with stock cars if possible

 

[Gallagher]

dheeeey! Cenno_Lebedev my old friend! I did'nt realize that was you. I have'nt heard from you in ages! when did you join GTP?
And how is BATracer going? are you still playing?

Ive been here for months now, not very active but still here reading. Im playing Batracer there and then, managed to get my WR up to 201st.

 

[nExx]

Can anybody help me a little with my tune? I can't manage to be as fast as the Top10 ghosts on the start/finish line.
Before coming to the first corner, I loose 0.3 seconds. I have full power upgrades, oil change, then ballast to match PP limit...

 

[JamesLSn1]

ok this one was just too easy lol even sliding around in my ruf turbo I still got 1:19.736 on first lap

 

[et_]

Can anybody help me a little with my tune? I can't manage to be as fast as the Top10 ghosts on the start/finish line.
Before coming to the first corner, I loose 0.3 seconds. I have full power upgrades, oil change, then ballast to match PP limit...

Well, you probably need to take more height out of final turn. (last time there was a TT on this track, I even went outside the cones to get maximum speed out over the straight).

On top of that, here is how I set it up last time there was a 500PP TT using the suzuki:

edit: scratch that, here is my final tune for this event, got me 2'nd place worldwide:

Suspension:
Ride height: 100/85
Spring rate: 6.00/5.70
Dampers compression: 5/5
Dampers extension: 4/4
Anti-roll bars: 7/7
Camber angle: 0.0/0.0
Toe angle: 0.00/0.20
Brake balance: 7/4

Transmisson:
Same as @SW__10 :
first reset to default, then final gear to 4400, then max speed to 180kmh
1'st: 5.508
2'nd: 4.083
3'rd: 3.450
4'th: 2.900
5'th: 2.478
6'th: 2.113
Final gear: 3.000

Differential:
Initial torque: 8
Acceleration sensitivity: 10
Braking sensitivity: 18

Power:
Do oil change, install all power upgrades, and set limiter @97.3%

Body:
No weight reduction
Install a wing and improve body rigidity
Downforce: /20
Ballast weight: 170kg
Ballast position: +8%

Driving Aids:
Active Steering: Strong
ABS: 1
Everything else: off.

 

[Silvia S14]

ok this one was just too easy lol even sliding around in my ruf turbo I still got 1:19.736 on first lap

BTR is getting to be my favourite car. I finally figured out (mostly) how to drive it and am able to get amazing results from it. That said, It will use any mis-step on my part as an excuse to kill me. Evil, evil and beautiful car. One minute you're drifting a curve like a super-hero, the next you are slamming tail first into a wall

 

[Roweer1]

Can anybody help me a little with my tune? I can't manage to be as fast as the Top10 ghosts on the start/finish line.
Before coming to the first corner, I loose 0.3 seconds. I have full power upgrades, oil change, then ballast to match PP limit...

I don't use top 10 ghosts -so i don't know if i match their top speed, but I'll say this:

First of all if i apply all power upgrades, my figures are 250BHP and 795kg with 155kg ballast -i'm quite sure i didn't change oil but your figures oughta' be in that neighbourhood.

In the final hairpin before start/finish, make sure you go extra wide to have a good run up to the start: You can actually go quite far OUTSIDE the cones on the left! This is why -in my opinion- this track isn't suited for continuous TT-laps: When you come round there to FINISH your lap, the fastest line is tighter....

EDIT: Ah well; @et_ beat me to it -AND offered a tune; Thanks et!

 

[JamesLSn1]

BTR is getting to be my favourite car. I finally figured out (mostly) how to drive it and am able to get amazing results from it. That said, It will use any mis-step on my part as an excuse to kill me. Evil, evil and beautiful car. One minute you're drifting a curve like a super-hero, the next you are slamming tail first into a wall

yeah now im going to tune it, got a 1:16.867 after couple laps.

 

[nExx]

Outside the cones??? Crazy GT world :-)

Thanks @Roweer1 and @et_

Edit: Down to 01:12:095 just because of this trick..amazing!

 

[Roweer1]

I just found out that in this TT, you can go WAY beyond the cones! You can almost go all the way over to the fence in the background and start your lap from there!! And if you make a bendy approach to the start-/finish straight, you'll be putting it into sixth just about when you hit the line!!! Stupid thing 'coz now we all have to start every lap with this timeconsuming manouvre if we want to be competitive. I'm sorry but i could hardly keep it to myself, could i?

 

[nowcontrol]

Have just beaten my 'Lamborghini Miura' time by .130 in the 'Ford RS200'..... with a 1:14.274 lap, I am resisting using the Suzuki in favor of trying out some other likely contenders for now.

EDIT: Another .376 faster still, in the 'Lotus Elise '11' this time, and now at 1:13.898.

 

[Growling]

FML.. Just spent over an hour cursing and raging. Couldn't better a 1:16.3...

.. I was on comfort softs

Edit: I like the cone trick! Down to 1:11.530 for 63rd

 

[WhoosierGirl]

Used some alternative cars to get comfortable with the track, without killing my ears listening to the Suzuki . Short of the first 2 cars most were just a couple laps.

Miura P400 1:12.9
Garaiya '02 1:13.3
RX500 '70 1:13.5
Ruf 3400s 1:13.6
CZ-3 Tarmac 1:13.9
Dino 246GT 1:13.9
Ferrari 512 1:15.6
Berlinette '99 1:15.9
Honda Odyssey 1:17.2

 

[332i]

I just found out that in this TT, you can go WAY beyond the cones! You can almost go all the way over to the fence in the background and start your lap from there!! And if you make a bendy approach to the start-/finish straight, you'll be putting it into sixth just about when you hit the line!!! Stupid thing 'coz now we all have to start every lap with this timeconsuming manouvre if we want to be competitive. I'm sorry but i could hardly keep it to myself, could i?

There are actually a few spots where you can put all four over lol. I'm used to hardly being able to put two over. The FGT seasonal is pretty lenient as well. You can cross all four over the track edge, but as long as you keep the inside tires on the outside of the rumble strip...no DQ. Basically a 180 compared to how they used to be with track limits.

 

[Roweer1]

There are actually a few spots where you can put all four over lol. I'm used to hardly being able to put two over. The FGT seasonal is pretty lenient as well. You can cross all four over the track edge, but as long as you keep the inside tires on the outside of the rumble strip...no DQ. Basically a 180 compared to how they used to be with track limits.

That is also true. But what i wrote about is an entirely different thing, don't you think?

I remember in the last TT here, where you could go something like two or three carwidths outside the cones in the last turn. This time around you can -once given free- slowly drive your car over to the fence in the background and start your lap from a different point, enabling you to pass the startline, one Whole gear up, compared to not using this "trick"...

 

[332i]

That is also true. But what i wrote about is an entirely different thing, don't you think?

I remember in the last TT here, where you could go something like two or three carwidths outside the cones in the last turn. This time around you can -once given free- slowly drive your car over to the fence in the background and start your lap from a different point, enabling you to pass the startline, one Whole gear up, compared to not using this "trick"...

Was needed for the last TT. You're coming down a hill and would have more speed by the start line if you came around the last turn at speed, rather than launching from said corner.

This is what you should be doing in a lot of time trials. It's not a practice session. You are trying to get the fastest lap possible and that is it. It is not a trick. All you're doing is swinging last turns very wide. Same with the 97T time trial. Swing last turn super wide and spin wheels to the top of third and hook up in forth not long before the start finish line. You do the same thing in real life for a qualifying lap. Whatever you can do to enter the front straight with the highest speed possible.

 

[Roweer1]

Was needed for the last TT. You're coming down a hill and would have more speed by the start line if you came around the last turn at speed, rather than launching from said corner.

This is what you should be doing in a lot of time trials. It's not a qualifying session. You are trying to get the fastest lap possible and that is it. It is not a trick. All you're doing is swinging last turns very wide. Same with the 97T time trial. Swing last turn super wide and spin wheels to the top of third and hook up in forth not long before the start finish line. You do the same thing in real life for a qualifying lap. Whatever you can do to enter the front straight with the highest speed possible.

No i would not! That last corner is so tight, it brings the car Down to a lower speed, than you get from launching by the fence. I'm sorry but have you even tried this? Do you know, which launchingpoint, i'm talking about? It doesn't help you much, being able to "hook up in fourth not long before the start finish line" when i pass that line shifting into 6'th!
Just checked and my speed going over the starting line is around 175km/h! You can't beat that going round the last corner...

EDIT: Came to think about it and perhaps we´re not that far apart.I mean, i'm not bringing the car to a COMPLETE standstill when i get to my "launching point" either, so i guess you could call it taking the turn VERY wide. And i also understand and agree with your point about TT's/Qualifying sessions. But i'll maintain this is totally different from what we'we seen before

 

[Biebs74]

It's not a qualifying session. You are trying to get the fastest lap possible and that is it.

That is strange, because I could have sworn the point of any qualifying session is to get the fastest lap, lol.

 

[332i]

No i would not! That last corner is so tight, it brings the car Down to a lower speed, than you get from launching by the fence. I'm sorry but have you even tried this? Do you know, which launchingpoint, i'm talking about? It doesn't help you much, being able to "hook up in fourth not long before the start finish line" when i pass that line shifting into 6'th!
Just checked and my speed going over the starting line is around 175km/h! You can't beat that going round the last corner...

EDIT: Came to think about it and perhaps we´re not that far apart.I mean, i'm not bringing the car to a COMPLETE standstill when i get to my "launching point" either, so i guess you could call it taking the turn VERY wide. And i also understand and agree with your point about TT's/Qualifying sessions. But i'll maintain this is totally different from what we'we seen before

I was exiting that turn and hitting 7th gear in my mp4-12c before crossing the start line. Idk, man. I was zipping through that last turn, because of the camber and toe settings I was running. That and late apexing into it.

 

[332i]

That is strange, because I could have sworn the point of any qualifying session is to get the fastest lap, lol.

I meant it is not a practice session. I had a brain fart lol.

 

[Biebs74]

I meant it is not a practice session. I had a brain fart lol.

Sorry bud, I had to give you a hard time, your way faster than me and I'm jealous!

 

[332i]

Sorry bud, I had to give you a hard time, your way faster than me and I'm jealous!

haha don't worry about who is faster or slower. I'm always trying to get better. Best way I got better than the in past was racing with guys who were rockets to begin with. Beau, mini stiggy, agro, weider, chris93x, trl_jb, duffyc87, etc. Haven't raced with immortal, but I'm sure that is inevitable. Find people who are better and try to carch 'em! Watch during practice and note technique, their line around the track...parts of the track that you would normally think to use and so on. You may not beat them, but you'll surely improve. Then you'll go into a random lobby and smash everyone, because you're used to racing with people who are on another planet. I'm on a lot, if you ever want to race with us. My psn is yadeegson. Not sure what you like to race, but I'll race anything on any tires and am down to share setups with some people. Just love to race anything We drive the lotus a LOT, but lately I've been...experimenting I guess you could say haha.

 

[Roweer1]

I meant it is not a practice session. I had a brain fart lol.

And i was talking 'bout the difference between TT's and continuos fast laps.

 

[332i]

And i was talking 'bout the difference between TT's and continuos fast laps.

I know This is why I more or less do every other lap as a hot lap, unless I'm getting in a serious groove, getting faster every lap for a while. I know what you mean, though. It depends on the car and last corner. There's is nothing wrong with setting up for a hot lap at the last turn. It's done in all forms of circuit racing where necessary. It is nothing dirty or a display of poor sportsmanship lol. Idk how else to put it. No one would get a penalty IRL qualifying sessions, so long as you don't stop/don't hold anyone else up. I know which launch point you were talking about. I didn't bother, because I was carrying more speed out of that turn and over the crest, compared to my speed from launching at 0mph/kmh by the fence and over the crest. If you hit that last turn right, you can blow out of it. I would go partial throttle out of the turn and as soon as the car was nearly straightening out, I would flat foot it and counter steer to the outside on the way out to right it. Spin through 3, 4 and 5 then take off in sixth, shifting in to seventh before I hit the start line. Then I was hitting the rev limiter at my braking point, because that is the fastest section of the track. Leaning the car there made or broke lap times. There were laps where I would lose a good second or two, because I screwed up my line and had to crawl so I didn't understeer into the barrier.

 

[Badger66]

Have a Look at this car if you want to use something different on this seasonal and a guaranteed gold...Love this car and a wicked tune...

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...le-3000gt-27-8-14.293506/page-3#post-10034781