this is late, but it's in reply to the questions about the SR8's legality: by European law any car street legal in the UK is by definition street legal in Germany, but the nurburgring owners don't recognise the time because they say they'll only recognise times run by cars wearing German plates (and the sr8 was on British plates, as you can see in the PR photo of the whole team standing next to it). but if we're just using the criteria that the car be street legal, then yes, the sr8 was.
Nordschleife road car lap times.
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so the new 997 turbos' time equals that for the Z06 vette that the GM crowd was so pleased with just a few months ago?
and its not the GT3 version either????
back to the drawing board GM. or get a ringmeister to drive it there for you. theres got to be a second or two just from that.
also, how does the X5 lemans qualify as a road car? its powered by a detuned formula one engine innit? not quite production. as far as i know, only the one was made.
and its not the GT3 version either????
back to the drawing board GM. or get a ringmeister to drive it there for you. theres got to be a second or two just from that.
also, how does the X5 lemans qualify as a road car? its powered by a detuned formula one engine innit? not quite production. as far as i know, only the one was made.
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thats my car...i wish...but what a f'n great time
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Despite the faster time from the 997 Turbo, I'd hardly call the Z06's laptime "slow."
However, ya gotta wonder, because the 997 Turbo is almost 400 pounds heavier and 20hp less powerful...The X5 Le Mans has the McLaren F1 V12, which was also placed in BMW's V12 LMR Le Mans racer. You're right, though, it was never really "produced"...I think the only reason why its time is mentioned so much is because of how ridiculous it is.
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Yeah I mentioned the X5 on the list for two reasons, 1 because I believe it was actually road legal, and 2 just to be able to compare that super SUV to everything else.
And no, I wouldn't by any means call the Z06 time slow, we just have to wait and see how many of it's competitiors have picked up the pace as well now.
And no, I wouldn't by any means call the Z06 time slow, we just have to wait and see how many of it's competitiors have picked up the pace as well now.
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In all fairness, the X5's engine was more of the V12 LMR.Wolfe2x7Despite the faster time from the 997 Turbo, I'd hardly call the Z06's laptime "slow."
The X5 Le Mans has the McLaren F1 V12, which was also placed in BMW's V12 LMR Le Mans racer. You're right, though, it was never really "produced"...I think the only reason why its time is mentioned so much is because of how ridiculous it is.
The V12 LMR engine was built of the F1's, however, it is a lot more techology advanced (being a race car). Instead of shoehorning the F1's, BMW took the LMR's.
I still think the Cayenne Turbo S can't touch this beast.
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i didnt mention slow anywhere in my post. i was just amused that the mark that GMs fanboys were crowing about just recently, has been moved forward. and not by the most extreme model either.
i didnt mention slow anywhere in my post. i was just amused that the mark that GMs fanboys were crowing about just recently, has been moved forward. and not by the most extreme model either.
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now i have a question. the radical cars and the "other road cars" arent they just "slightly" more modified than say the carerra gt or m3 csl? i mean looking at the vid of the radical r8, it looks too damn much like a race car to me.
any other people feel this list should be modified to have only real road cars?
any other people feel this list should be modified to have only real road cars?
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As far as I'm concerned, the Radical is a real road car, it's road legal, it's a road car, it goes on the list. You see, if you start picking and choosing cars because that one's a bit too built for the track than that one you'll get loads of people arguing "this car shouldn't be there if that is" and "you can't put that in, it's too track focused". Taking them out complicates the deffinition of what goes on the lsit a thousand fold and it will cause argument's, for example if the Radical should go, then what about the Edo 996? And if the Edo 996 goes, what about the Pagani Zonda F? Each of thoes cars is highly track focused.
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astra VXR/OPC 8:35
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That's not a very good time for that car, I'd have expected a lot more. It's a concept car though, and the only reason the X5-LM is on there is because it is road legal and is so unusual I thought it was interesting to see how it compared. That's the single exception to the rule.
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nop 2 different enginesBlazinXtreme
cobalts 200bhp from a supercharged 2litre
astra is 240bhp from a turboed 2litre
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Actually I tihnk I've got the car your talking about wrong in my head, I was thinking of that DTM style concept that came out a couple of years ago.Holdenhsvgtsr
Do you have a source for that time (magazine name or website) and I'll check it out and add it to the list?
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check the video forumlive4speed
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it wasnt it was 8:35.93live4speed
and what better evidence is there than video evidence with telemetry
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I think its the same video as the one Im talking about but with the telementary slapped on top. Im gonna have to check the other version and match up the times.
Basically in the version Ive seen the astra goes around the ring and the video is cut so it makes it seem like a timed hotlap. However you can see the dials of the car and the fuel gauge was all over the place so we knew that the video was doctored.
Im gonna dig up the video 2morrow, Ive got to get ready for college so havent got the time right now.
Basically in the version Ive seen the astra goes around the ring and the video is cut so it makes it seem like a timed hotlap. However you can see the dials of the car and the fuel gauge was all over the place so we knew that the video was doctored.
Im gonna dig up the video 2morrow, Ive got to get ready for college so havent got the time right now.
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I wouldn't say the Astra's time of 8'35" was bad--it's only about 20 ticks slower than a Dodge Viper. Look at the immediate cars before it--I'd say it's a respectable time. And is it just me or am I most disappointed in the Exige for not posting a much faster time? The Exige should wipe the floor with the 8'00" mark.
8'28 - BMW M5 - 1999
8'28.93 - Subaru Impreza WRX - 1992
8'29 - Audi S4 4.2 Avant - 2003
8'31 - Cadillac STS-V - 2005,
8'32 - Lotus Exige - 2004
8'32 - BMW Z4 3.0 SMG - 2003
8'32 - Porsche Boxster S - 1999
8'32 - Volkswagen Golf R32 -
8'34 - Vauxhall VX220 Turbo - 2004
8'35 - BMW 130i ? 2005
8'35 - BMW M3 SMG E36 - 1997
8'35 - Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé - 2002
8'35.9 - Vauxhall Astra VXR - 2006
8'28 - BMW M5 - 1999
8'28.93 - Subaru Impreza WRX - 1992
8'29 - Audi S4 4.2 Avant - 2003
8'31 - Cadillac STS-V - 2005,
8'32 - Lotus Exige - 2004
8'32 - BMW Z4 3.0 SMG - 2003
8'32 - Porsche Boxster S - 1999
8'32 - Volkswagen Golf R32 -
8'34 - Vauxhall VX220 Turbo - 2004
8'35 - BMW 130i ? 2005
8'35 - BMW M3 SMG E36 - 1997
8'35 - Brabus-Mercedes Benz C V8 Sportcoupé - 2002
8'35.9 - Vauxhall Astra VXR - 2006
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not really,i would say the nurburgring is mainly a "power track" if you follow me,as it has alot of long flat out areas which would help the more powerfuler cars which will in turn harm the exige,like for example i was at a track day the other week and was passengering in a chipped leon 180 and an exige over took us and no question round the corner we couldnt even think about touching him but on the straights the leon was considerbly faster and we did gain on himJCE3000GT
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lol like i said it wasnt a standard leonJCE3000GTI refuse to believe that a non-Cupra Seat can beat an Exige! I reuse I tell you!
Speaking of Seat--when the hell will the US get that car brand...the Cupra is super sexy along with the new Leon. GIVE AMERICAN SEATS CAR GODS NOW!
it had been chipped to 220bhp and just had its suspension overhauled,but it was just the lack of power that "slowed" it down no matter what the weight differenceand soon noone will get them as vag are thinking about killing them off
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Holdenhsvgtsrlol like i said it wasnt a standard leon
and soon noone will get them as vag are thinking about killing them off
If VAG kills Seat off I'm not going to be pleased. I think they are a cracking car--and should be either marketed better and or brought overseas to gain more exposure.
