North Korea, Sanctions, and Kim Jong-un

Stage one B-2's and F-22's wipe out all SAM's, fighters, and the most critical ground targets (missile silos, etc).

Stage two, B-1's and B-52's 24 hours a day.

All carrying precision weapons to minimize the amount of bombs needed to wipe out NK's military.



The US has MOAB's for that.
We have a very limited supply of those. The current total is estimated at around 15.

EDIT: And I found this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massive_Ordnance_Penetrator, which seems to be the bunker buster equivalent of the MOAB. The article states that there have been orders from the USAF for 16, and is reportedly a stockpile at Whiteman Air Force Base.
 
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Guys, we don't need to nuke the entire country. Just bombing and killing Kim Jong Un is enough... I'm sure everyone else in that country would love to see him go.
 
So China has spoken up again and issued a warning to N.K. (article)
You can always count on the Chinese:

"We oppose provocative words and actions from any party in the region and do not allow trouble-making on China's doorstep," Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said, according to a ministry statement on its website late on Saturday, relating a telephone conversation with U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

Territorial disputes don't count, right, because they all belong to China? Thank you for being the responsible party when you've been the biggest player in the game called DPRK from the beginning. Yeah, sit down.

Don't get me wrong. Communist China is clever, and I respect them greatly. They seem to be throwing their hands up, but I don't buy it. Chinese are still the only one who possess the true direct line to Pyongyang.
 
We have a very limited supply of those. The current total is estimated at around 15.

But it's a lot more attractive than using nukes.

Also I realized I some how missed a number of posts when making my last reply and my own reply was made without understanding the context completely.

Conventional weapons are enough to cripple a country, especially one like NK, but cruise missiles won't be leveling cities unless they are nukes or fired en masse.
 
Guys, we don't need to nuke the entire country. Just bombing and killing Kim Jong Un is enough... I'm sure everyone else in that country would love to see him go.

It won't be enough. Don't you know the extent of the brainwashing that goes on in NK? Kim Jong Un is revered as a hero by most. Those who don't are either in prison or too afraid to speak out.

As for those immature people who believe the US should obliterate NK with nuclear weapons, have you ever visited Hiroshima or Nagasaki? I wonder if you'd feel the same after doing so. You spout off the "America **** yeah" attitude but the fact of the matter is, there are too many innocent civilians involved and no one wants to be remembered as the guy who authorized that. Not in this day and age. If you really feel that that is an acceptable option, you are either lacking in compassion or just plain stupid.

My 2c.
 
I agree with the latter part of your post. The first part however, I want to bring into question. I think that we simply don't know enough about what goes on in North Korea regarding "brain-washing," and so I don't think we can conclude that most North Koreans are brainwashed people.
 
State controlled media is never a good thing. Enough has been shown over the years to support the brain washing claim. Such as the footage of North Korea's World Cup victory and the tall tales of un's father. Remember the hole in one story? Or the one about Kim Jong il single handedly fighting the spy sent to kill him? He was portrayed to the nation as a hero. I've no doubt that his son will receive the same treatment.
 
The South believe the North is preparing for a second nuclear test, possibly to be held later this week:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-08/n-korea-showing-27signs27-of-preparing-nuke-test/4616098

Apparently Kim prefers Groucho, Chico and Harpo's brand of Marxism when it comes to naming streets.

I'm sure everyone else in that country would love to see him go.
Nope.

Jong-un has what is called a cult of personality, where he is venerated by the population to the point where he has a god-like status. He inherited it from his father, Jong-il, who in turn inherited from his father, Il-sung. They are able to do it because they are the sole authority in the country, and have absolute control over the media, who will report whatever Kim tells them to report. Every now and again, you will hear an absurd story, like Kim Jong-il hitting eleven holes-in-one in a single round of golf; these stories are designed and intended to reinforce the idea that the Kims are pretty much perfect. For instance, the North Koreans are taught that Kim Jong-il was born on the slopes of a holy mountain, with his birth being foretold by a swallow, and marked by the appearance of a double rainbow in the sky. In reality, he was probably born in a Soviet military camp on the outskirts of a dirty industrial city in the middle of Siberia (can you blame him for wanting to change that story?). Footage of Kim Jong-il's funeral was shown with North Koreans packed ten deep down the streets of Pyongyang, showing genuine grief at his death. That's because of his cult of personality, which is effectively brainwashing on a national scale.

Furthermore, the regime in Pyongyang cracks down on dissidents swiftly and brutally. They and their families are forcibly removed from their homes and sent to gulags without trial for what is quite literally a life sentence. Most of them are worked to death, whilst others are used as guinea pigs for human experimentation to test the development of the North's chemical weapons programme.
 
When did we no longer hold a peoples responsible for their government's actions and why do we accept representation that is not?
 
You made it pretty clear that the North Korean people should be held responsible for the actions of their government.

The problem is that the North Korean people didn't elect the Kims. They didn't ask the Kims to do anything that has been done. They've been brainwashed for sixty years to the point where worshipping the Kims comes as naturally as breathing. They've lived under the threat of being dragged away and being condemned to a life of hard labour and/or horrific medical experimentation just because they knew someone who said something the government didn't like.

To suggest that they are responsible for their own situation is nothing more than victim blaming.
 
We're not in range for their missiles anyway, and William Hague has said our intelligence has found no signs of them actually setting up for an attack.

That's not the same intelligence sources that said Sadam has weapons of mass destruction is it?

Wouldn't send them to the shops lol.
 
DK
TBH the goalie didn't need to move, but the scale of how much Beckham missed by is a good analogy for NK's rockets. :lol:

The joke was about Beckham shooting that ball so high in the air, it could hit the missile and destroy it. :P
 
To suggest that they are responsible for their own situation is nothing more than victim blaming.


You are still missing the point(big surpise lol)

I'm asking a general question regarding civilization as a whole, I'm not 'blaming' any victims at all.
 
I'm not so sure about this.
The mainstream media seems to think otherwise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

It would be helpful to me if you could supply an authoritative link, please.

Thank you, and respectfully yours,
Steve

WikiLeaks isn't working for me right now, but if you type "WikiLeaks Iraq WMD" into a search engine, you'll get page after page on the subject.

Since when would you fully trust the mainstream media? They cherry-pick the bits that make a good headline, and discard the rest, which is exactly what they did with Hussein having WMDs, and the reasons why Iraq was invaded (if you think it was due to WMDs alone, you're wrong).

EDIT: Let's take any more discussion about WMD's in Iraq here
 
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