North Korea, Sanctions, and Kim Jong-un
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Thanks for the source, I'll save it for later use in other stuff. I rather most of us use sources because it actually helps people debate offline at times. So thanks again 👍
The world has a right to dislike us as much as we have a right to dislike them, not sure why their angst is your worry.
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NEWSFLASH: Soldiers use the enemy's likeness to practice firing! More at 6.
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It's called damned if you, damned if you don't & the US has been one of those countries that gets fit the description since, I don't know, probably the last 50-60 years.
In this instance though, the only reason we're making the news so much is because of how protective we are of South Korea. The UN though, is just as concerned as we are & want do anything possible to avoid conflict.
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Do you guys remember when the Russians where down there heavy with Hugo Chavez? Probably not, not sure if I really do or not either lol.
My point? I do have one, those guys liked to run exercise and so forth which we considered a threatening action. So we do the same thing with SK and wonder why we come off wrong, see what I'm saying?
We can't back down, NK has to and will, I'm just thinking out loud but I hope at some point we can leave the peninsula.
My point? I do have one, those guys liked to run exercise and so forth which we considered a threatening action. So we do the same thing with SK and wonder why we come off wrong, see what I'm saying?
We can't back down, NK has to and will, I'm just thinking out loud but I hope at some point we can leave the peninsula.
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Looks like the Cold War still isn't over...
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If Kim doesn't shut up with the nukes, the US will have to resist. Lots of people hate America for some reason or another. Serbs hated America and NATO for supporting Kosovo. Now most NKs hate America for fighting them with SK. Now, I'm not sure if you hate America, but...
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The difference being I can't recall the US then threatening to launch nuclear weapons at Venezuela and Russia or declaring war on either.
Objecting to the otherside's war games is just saying 'we know what your doing and we are just as prepared' in diplomatic language, threatening to start a nuclear war is a tad more of an overeaction.
Given that one of NK's stated aims is the unification of Korea as a single communist state, I find it had to see that happening while NK exists as a state.
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I'm assuming that was intended as sarcasm.
Most North Koreans hate us because they are told to; the govt. propaganda most likely passes on information about our involvement during the Cold War era.
The rest simply don't like us because of the Korean War.
Here's an article for the genius as well that referred to N. Koreans fleeing in the sense of "moving out".
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/14/opinion/lee-north-korea-refugee/?hpt=hp_c3
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Just saber rattling from North Korean military elite to give the folks at home a pep rally. I think sonny Kim wants to match the legacy of his father. But to go and even make China mad? He backed himself into a corner.
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They say that they will be a responsible nuclear power....... It's like they are not even trying.
It's almost like promising to murder you, burn your house down, but now he says he'll buy a gun, and he'll be very responsible with it. People think North Korea is crazy, because they act it.
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China is riding a very fine line in that it's being pressured by the US to impose more influence, but they can't threaten too much otherwise North Korea get desperate and push the button. On the other hand if they don't do enough, North Korea can then say "See, look, China's on our side!", which it isn't.
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I'm not sure about that. Relationship between China & North Korea has shared some similarities to the relation between the U.S. & Israel. They are bond that goes little beyond alliance.
China has started to say the right things in recent years, but we are not CIA, we have no idea what kind of dialogues are taking place between China & North Korea behind closed doors.
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"North Korea ready to develop relations, ensure stability ‘as a responsible nuke state"
What an oxymoron.
What an oxymoron.
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Tomorrow is Kim Il-sung's birthday. If the North does anything, I'd expect it would be tomorrow.
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I think you've forgotten to factor in the time differences. It might be the 14th where you are, but it's already the 15th this side of the date line.
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Judging off what you have posting on the last few pages, the only thing going in your mouth is your foot !
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Perhaps you could start by reading up on the actual subject matter. You've rushed into this thread, claiming that America is some schoolyard bully who won't rest until everyone is living in a way they see fit, and you've completely embarrassed yourself.
North Korea is an oppressive regime. Perhaps the most oppressive regime on the face of the planet, and certainly one of the most oppressive in history. The people there have no freedoms. They are brainwashed into beliving that they are living in paradise, when they are really living in a place that is probably more unpleasant than Hell itself. They must absolutely obey the regime, and the slightest slip of the tongue - however accidentaly or unintentional it might be - can see a person and their family condemned to a hard labour camp for life without trial. There, they are woked to death, or used as unwilling test subjects for medical experiments so that the government can develop chemical weapons that are banned under the rules of war. While the people are starving to the point where they will eat bark and grass (or, in some unconfirmed cases, each other) just to survive, the government is busy pouring all of their money into the development of nuclear weapons, and building their army. The country is being run by an unstable, unpredictable and inexperienced child, who now has nuclear bombs and is going around pointing them at people and threatening them. If the North ever manages to get a nuclear warhead working, then once joined with their longest-range missile, over three billion people will be within targeting range.
But you're totally right. America is the aggressor here. They're the ones we should be criticising.
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I think this was certainly true during the Korean War and even for many years afterwards while China was still very much a communist nation. However, with China having drifted away, and now is nothing more than communist by name only, there are vast ideological differences that are driving political differences between China and North Korea. I really think China puts up with North Korea only because they have to, and there isn't a better alternative.
If the news articles that I'm reading are correct, then there is none going on right now.
China is obviously pretty upset with Kim Jong-Un. My understanding is that he never paid his respects to China, unlike Kim Jong-Il and Kim Il-Sung, and now China just feels disrespected, that North Korea isn't paying its dues and if anything, is biting the hand that feeds.
a6, you know how Asian cultures work. The fact that China is publicly criticizing a friend instead of saving face and privately criticizing them is very telling in and of itself how unhappy the current Chinese government is with North Korea.
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When this is over with, Trey Parker and Matt Stone should make an entire play based solely on what happened. That, would be comical.
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Sounds about right. China as you say has clearly lost a large degree of patience with NK, the UN vote was clear evidence of that. However China is stuck between a rock and a hard place with NK for a number of reasons.
The will not actually enforce the UN sanctions in any meaningful way without the China/NK border region being flooded with a huge number of refugees, so publicly backing them and being openly critical of NK is a big step for them.
China's biggest concern I think is the fall of NK, as its acted as a nice buffer zone between the west and China (part of the reason why the USSR and China assisted the NK's during the Korean war), something that China would be reluctant to loose.
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For UK residents BBC's Panorama programme go undercover in North Korea tonight.
There is a bit of a controversy surrounding the programme. Higher ups have asked the BBC not to show it because it could put lives in danger. The show has used students as there cover and they fear repercussions. As it stands its being aired though that may change.
There is a bit of a controversy surrounding the programme. Higher ups have asked the BBC not to show it because it could put lives in danger. The show has used students as there cover and they fear repercussions. As it stands its being aired though that may change.
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