North Korea, Sanctions, and Kim Jong-un

Dennisch
Or a premature detonation.

"Great Leader, this is the device that will stir up emotions around the globe, and especially the United Sta..."
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You weren't too far off:

North Korea launches missile, but it blows up 'almost immediately'

http://usat.ly/2oeHo0a
 
So I'm just going to say I think this is hilarious, Atleast when Assad aims at something he hits it, Kim Jong is more likely to blow himself up before anybody else, Its like watching a monkey ****ing a football.
 
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ghostrider135
So I'm just going to say I think this is hilarious, Atleast when Assad aims at something he hits it, Kim Jong is more likely to blow himself up before anybody else, Its like watching a monkey ****ing a football.
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It's part of the process of development. We laugh at them, but they'll learn from it. North Korea isn't pouring all of their resources into one missile, and now that it's blown up, that's it. They're known to have nuclear weapons, and they're estimated to have between ten and twenty warheads. What they lack is an effective delivery system, which is precisely what they are trying to develop.
 
ghostrider135
So I'm just going to say I think this is hilarious, Atleast when Assad aims at something he hits it, Kim Jong is more likely to blow himself up before anybody else, Its like watching a monkey ****ing a football.
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I do find it odd that people continue to belittle NK. It's like people have to keep reminding themselves that the "enemy" is stupid and incompetent, lest they find out that they're people just like the rest of us. Except they're in danger of taking a cruise missile to the face, which most of us probably are not.

Not so long ago the western nations were doing exactly the same, testing missiles and having failures. We got there. So will they.
 
Northstar
Or, you know, we're supposedly adults meaning we can have discussions without using stupid things like intentionally misspelled words. 💡
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It's difficult when a particular personage has a name that means "fart" in some countries, but the point is taken. I think @prisonermonkeys was wondering why this seems to be particularly unacceptable for trump but not for other world leaders whose conduct might be being questioned in any given discussion.
 
TenEightyOne
It's difficult when a particular personage has a name that means "fart" in some countries, but the point is taken. I think @prisonermonkeys was wondering why this seems to be particularly unacceptable for trump but not for other world leaders whose conduct might be being questioned in any given discussion.
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Precisely. How many people refer to Recep Tayyip Erdogăn as "the Goatlover"? Sure, it's a reference to his reaction to a German comedian making up an offensive song about him, but let's just put things in context here: it's apparently okay to repeatedly refer to someone and insinuate that he engages in acts of beastiality, but it's not okay to refer to someone whose name is a fart joke by said fart joke. Am I the only one who thinks that's backwards?
 
prisonermonkeys
Precisely. How many people refer to Recep Tayyip Erdogăn as "the Goatlover"? Sure, it's a reference to his reaction to a German comedian making up an offensive song about him, but let's just put things in context here: it's apparently okay to repeatedly refer to someone and insinuate that he engages in acts of beastiality, but it's not okay to refer to someone whose name is a fart joke by said fart joke. Am I the only one who thinks that's backwards?
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Have you reported any of those instances?

Because frankly if you haven't I really don't see why you're complaining.
 
prisonermonkeys
Precisely. How many people refer to Recep Tayyip Erdogăn as "the Goatlover"? Sure, it's a reference to his reaction to a German comedian making up an offensive song about him, but let's just put things in context here: it's apparently okay to repeatedly refer to someone and insinuate that he engages in acts of beastiality, but it's not okay to refer to someone whose name is a fart joke by said fart joke. Am I the only one who thinks that's backwards?
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You know, I have often referred to Trump as the big mouth, loud mouth, orange man, or little hands, especially with a Canadian guy I race with often. He lives way up in northern BC. He hates Trump, but I always told him not to worry, after the orange man wins the election, he will annex Western Canada for the oil, he will be put up in a nice re-education camp until he gets his mind right.

But maybe I can say that because I support Trump, much like a rapper can say things I would never dare say.
 
The Carl Vinson carrier attack fleet should have arrived on station days ago. Instead they have been sighted steaming aimlessly in circles off the coast of Indonesia. Why? Trump may be rethinking the whole thing on the fly. What possible good is an aircraft carrier (or 3) off the coast of North Korea? Perhaps the South Koreans and Japanese have asked Trump to keep them well away?
 
Dotini
Trump may be rethinking the whole thing on the fly
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I'm reminded of an episode of Blackadder where the Duke of Wellington sends Lord Nelson to Alaska in case Napoleon decides to attack via the Arctic Circle. He is unenthusiastic when Blackadder suggests Trafalgar instead.
 
Dotini
The Carl Vinson carrier attack fleet should have arrived on station days ago. Instead they have been sighted steaming aimlessly in circles off the coast of Indonesia. Why? Trump may be rethinking the whole thing on the fly. What possible good is an aircraft carrier (or 3) off the coast of North Korea? Perhaps the South Koreans and Japanese have asked Trump to keep them well away?
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Maybe he is waiting for NK to give him a reason to move in (if cyber attacking the launches fail and they actually do get one in the air). He doesn't want to go down in history as the man who made the first move in WW3!
 
Robin.
Maybe he is waiting for NK to give him a reason to move in (if cyber attacking the launches fail and they actually do get one in the air). He doesn't want to go down in history as the man who made the first move in WW3!
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First or preemptive attack/use of nukes is accepted in US war doctrine. But we are rationally held political hostage to the safety of ~30 million South Koreans in the Seoul area. NK says it will launch a missile every week, daring us to attack. But our hands are tied. Our military bluff isn't working, and neither is somehow getting China to de-claw the Kim regime. We are steaming in circles in a cul-de-sac.

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I'm now assuming that China is not going to force Kim to give up his nukes. Confronted by our own aggressive bluster with the choice of either attacking (and bringing down great suffering on South Korea) or backing down (and losing credibility and "face"), we are left with only one rational course that I can think of. We must seek secondary economic sanctions against China.
 
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Dotini
First or preemptive attack/use of nukes is accepted in US war doctrine. But we are rationally held political hostage to the safety of ~30 million South Koreans in the Seoul area. NK says it will launch a missile every week, daring us to attack. But our hands are tied. Our military bluff isn't working, and neither is somehow getting China to de-claw the Kim regime. We are steaming in circles in a cul-de-sac.
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Actually, that isn't true and it is working. Here's why:

1. Where they are circling is in International Waters. That is the closest that they can get to the Theater of Operations without SK giving us explicit permission to patrol South Korean waters. And while SK is in the middle of a corruption scandal, that permission is very likely not coming for a while.

2. China is building up their forces along the NK border. The reason is very much open to interpretation. Whether their their to stop NK from shipping coal to China to buy coal from the US, preventing NK refugees from reaching China, whatever the reason, the fact remains that this is the most responsive that China has gotten in the last 20 or so years when it came to NK.

3. NK has suddenly taken a step backward in cyber security, and the proof is in the missile test. We didn't know the horrors of chemical weapons until World War I. Nuclear in World War II. We honestly won't know the horrors of cyber warfare until a actual war hits, and I feel like that this is a precursor to that war.
 
Dotini
The Carl Vinson carrier attack fleet should have arrived on station days ago. Instead they have been sighted steaming aimlessly in circles off the coast of Indonesia. Why? Trump may be rethinking the whole thing on the fly. What possible good is an aircraft carrier (or 3) off the coast of North Korea? Perhaps the South Koreans and Japanese have asked Trump to keep them well away?
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They've actually travelled further away, the carrier group has passed through the Sunda Strait and is still heading to Australia as planned. BBC.
 

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