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North Korea, Sanctions, and Kim Jong-un
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Looney Tunes just about. Only that it's not all that funny...
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Saw this too, nothing gets the ideas flowing like a game of despot volleyball.
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M1: "Hey, Mook2, want to play volleyball?"
M2: "Not now. We're waiting for the Glorious Leader to authorize the test."
M1: "If you win, you can press the button."
M2: "...You're on."
(Just what I imagine the premise for the volleyball games is.)
That said, things really have gone sideways over there...
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Remember, if you hit the ball at them, they will hit back with devastating force!
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According to my sources, there has been "planned" delay while a second banner saying "Trump's Armada" is printed.
The first sign wasn't large enough once it was installed on the USS Carl Vinson, so the Carl Vinson had to do some ocean donuts while waiting for the second banner. I think the banner is being hung today, so... mission accomplished!
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Is it wrong that I thought of Top Gun? After all, North Korea is a danger zone for dissenters.
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That can't be right. They're Russians, so clearly they're up to something sinister.
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Why a military intervention in North Korea would be a disaster:
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...solution-required-not-military-action/8458444
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...solution-required-not-military-action/8458444
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From the article cited:
Unfortunately, Mr Trump's penchant for military posturing does little to increase the likelihood of denuclearising North Korea, or improving human rights outcomes for its citizens.
Instead, the Trump administration's bellicose rhetoric inadvertently legitimises North Korea's justifications for its nuclear weapons program, along with the domestic coercive apparatus that persecutes North Korean citizens.
I agree. But the need for Mr Trump to use the military to raise his image and poll numbers goes on. So he needs new and better targets to bomb. His house generals are now making threatening noises against Iran. Even though we and everybody else agrees Iran is living up to its treaty obligations, it may now suit us to unilaterally abrogate the treaty and start bombing hell out of them. Or someone. Almost anyone will do, really. Once we run out of terrorist regimes (Iran is - today - the worst!
) we may need to invoke dragons or aliens to slay.China tees up bombers and cruise missiles for quick action over the Korean peninsula:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/20/politics/us-north-korea-china/
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Let's be honest, where has the last 8 years of 6 nation talks lead us? A brazen NK regime who has a leader brazen enough to assassinate his own brother in broad daylight.
You know that I am a Republican, but I also despise Trump too. But he is right when the only solution with NK is a show of force.
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Yes, a show of force by the Chinese might do the trick, perhaps accompanied by a shutoff of
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The one thing that is guaranteed to trigger a military response from the North? It's easy to dismiss them as irrational and unstable, but if nothing else, they have always been consistent. They have always warned that anything they see as provocative will be met with force.
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What else would they say. "Okay, you can can do some provocation but not too much, ok guys? Once you do too much we will be mad and meet it with force?" I wonder if they'll see the massing of Russian troops and equipment that's apparently taking place on the northern border as we speak, as provocation and launch a nuke towards Vlad?
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They do and they'll see a wrath that no nation has seen since April/May '45...
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Solution to what exactly, and why is it America's place to jump in?
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Because we have somebody insane pretending to be president.
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A solution is needed to the threatened use of yet-to-be-developed NK nuclear ICBMs.
It is America's place to do it because we are the indispensable policeman of the world, unique, special and exceptionally exceptional. Basically, everybody else is a pimple on our ass when it comes to power, force, authority, right, might, regime change and enforcement of democracy and human rights. It's a heavy burden we bear.
Too bad you're not in a position to do much to help us set it down.
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The flippant answer is "South Korea". Of course from a moral/ethical position, anyone can jump in to defend the abused people of North Korea. Is it a good idea for us to get involved? I'm not at all convinced.
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It's America's place to jump in because we never formally ended the Korean War. We just signed an armistice with NK, not an actual treaty.
That isn't to say that if we can get the Chinese and the Russians to do our dirty work for us, then all the better since less American lives would be lost if Kim decides to pull the trigger on conflict.
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But that wasn't the US, that was the UN... what makes it the US's sole place now?
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If America get involved it puts the South and Japan in the firing line, then more tension with the South/US having a border with China.
Best case scenario is that China does all the dirty work and takes control. NK wouldn't dare bite the hand that feeds them. South Korea remains unharmed and everyone loves happily ever after. Or at least with minimal catastrophe.
Could it perhaps be that simple?
Best case scenario is that China does all the dirty work and takes control. NK wouldn't dare bite the hand that feeds them. South Korea remains unharmed and everyone loves happily ever after. Or at least with minimal catastrophe.
Could it perhaps be that simple?
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At the risk of being rude, Russia and China are permanent members of the Security Council too, if you want to play schematics.
That said, I think we can pretty much all agree that the 6 nation talks have failed significantly.
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No, because China wants them gone (and probably wouldn't care now about South Korea being on their border being that they aren't as commie insane as they were in the 50's), but at the same time doesn't want to deal with the mess either because of the nukes. It's a disgusting situation in any case, because while every single military around the world could wipe the floor with North Korea and their T-34's/MiG-17's, the terrain would make it a painful WWI siege assault almost.
Solution - Chinese special forces sent in to destroy North Korean government and North Korea becomes part of China.
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And in that scheme Russia and China were members of the UN when the UN went to war against them in North Korea. The question stands; why is it America's sole place to act militarily now of all times?
That's what I think China would like to happen. The West like (imo) the buffer zone between the East and the West and, also imo, Russia would like a part of the annexing. I think China and Russia are tiptoeing around each other as they peer over the fence into NK and wonder what's to be done.
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And that's worth going to war and killing thousands of people for, is it?
Sometimes you can't do anything without committing a greater wrong. See Iraq, where the war destroyed a functional country and killed an order of magnitude more people than the corrupt regime it displaced ever did. Results wise, that was not a good thing for Iraq and it will likely be decades at the very least before the country will break even on that deal. In which time any number of things might have happened within the country legitimately to improve the situation had there not been a foreign invasion.
OK, I'm going to assume that you misworded that. A show of force is obviously not the only solution, I'm going to assume you meant the best solution.
How is that so? What is the intended outcome from a show of force, and why is that unachievable with any other course of action?
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Very simply, Donald Trump has tumbled to the fact he can pump his numbers - and fix his political difficulties - by bombing.
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