North Korea, Sanctions, and Kim Jong-un

Dennisch
North Korea claims that they've successfully detonated a Hydrogen bomb, triggering an earthquake hitting 6.3 on the Richter scale.
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Holy ****.

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Ok... now this is just getting terrifying.

Lets just pretend this never happened and leave NK alone (just kidding, I know that wouldn't work, NK seem like the guys to do it once they feel like they can win)
 
We nuked Japan in order to secure a cheap win in the great war of global empires. Bad precedent; monkey see, monkey do. Prepare to bend over and kiss your peace, freedom, prosperity or even life itself away. It's what we do best.
 
TenEightyOne
Analysts believe NK's next step may be a (very illegal, as if that matters) aerial test. BBC.
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Where could they do it though? The US and Russia have vast territories where they could test weapons. I doubt NK would be stupid enough to detonate one over their own country.

Oh wait...
 
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DQuaN
Where could they do it though? The US and Russia have vast territories where they could test weapons. I doubt NK would be stupid enough to detonate one over their own country.

Oh wait...
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An exo-atmospheric test wold be very fun and interesting. We did that in Starfish Prime. Those were the good old days.
 
Just curious. What do you guys think would be the best case scenario to handle a situation like we're facing with NK? I'm lost right about now.
 
Dotini
Ignore it and go on with your own life and business.
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After the missile entering the other countries airspace fiasco, I'm not too confident that NK is a country that'll ignore us if we ignore back.
 
Maybe we should all just pray NK away... People seem to think that helps kidnapping victims and those suffering illness and what not....

Personally.... I am a fan of destroying a hornets nest before it gets big enough to cause a serious swarm. In truth, I am typically humanistically minded, but I'm not much for being a pacifist either. I think it's time to start considering taking NK's leadership out.
 
RESHIRAM5
After the missile entering the other countries airspace fiasco, I'm not too confident that NK is a country that'll ignore us if we ignore back.
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Alternatively, you could settle into watching the movie, Dr Strangelove; How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb.
 
Rallywagon
Maybe we should all just pray NK away... People seem to think that helps kidnapping victims and those suffering illness and what not....

Personally.... I am a fan of destroying a hornets nest before it gets big enough to cause a serious swarm. In truth, I am typically humanistically minded, but I'm not much for being a pacifist either. I think it's time to start considering taking NK's leadership out.
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Wouldn't they treat that as an open act of war? Guess it doesn't matter if we're all screwed anyway, might as well hasten armageddon if we can't prevent it right? *shrug*

Perhaps we could try the regime change thing again, that's always worked well in the past.
 
UKMikey
Wouldn't they treat that as an open act of war? Guess it doesn't matter if we're all screwed anyway, might as well hasten armageddon if we can't prevent it right? *shrug*

Perhaps we could try the regime change thing again, that's always worked well in the past.
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I would consider firing a missile through Japan's airspace and over Japanese territory an act of war.
 
Dotini
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An exo-atmospheric test wold be very fun and interesting. We did that in Starfish Prime. Those were the good old days.
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Which knocked out half the lights in Hawaii with the EMP. That would be great though. Let them detonate a couple of hundred miles out and see all their electrical infrastructure fry! That would set their programmes back a few years!

Unfortunately it would probably do the same for South Korea.
 
This whole situation is starting to scare me really badly.

To put the destructive power of this last test in comparison, it would absolutely devasate LA but not flatten it. A more likely target, Seoul, would lead to (from what I read) 4.5 million dead and a further 2 million irradiated although I'm not sure if that's an accurate guess.
 
Rage Racer
Citation needed.
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...Apologies for a belated response. Been swarmed with work and couldn't find free enough time to search through my old browser history and locate months-old articles. Regrettably, though, most of those are Korean and Google Translate ends up butchering the words in them, so I had to find the alternative English articles instead.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/anders...program-from-warheads-to-trucks/#332781c36f2f

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...elping-north-korea-nuclear-program/440029001/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ntities-for-helping-north-korea-idUSKCN1B21OG

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/article167337082.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...th-korea-to-build-up-russia-as-a-great-power/

These were the results that popped up first in Google search. Admittedly, two of them are op-eds, but they still provide links to original news articles that formed the basis of the opinions reflected. Hope they help.

Rage Racer
Why?
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JKgo
Their current policies, prior actions, their stated desires and goals leads me to believe so.
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Rallywagon
And Congress, since Trump is a president, not a king, that makes up only 1 third of the power of the US government. Even if he wants war, it still has to go to vote in front of Congress.
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Although that requirement - which I believe in - is still in the constitution, it has been entirely abrogated by the congress. Not once since WWII has congress declared war, despite the fact that the US has obviously engaged in numerous wars, invasions, interventions, assassinations of national leaders and election interventions since then. De facto, the president has appropriated the war-making authority into his own hands for several generations. The Founders are still rolling around in their graves, deeply troubled in their eternal sleep.
 
Dotini
Although that requirement - which I believe in - is still in the constitution, it has been entirely abrogated by the congress. Not once since WWII has congress declared war, despite the fact that the US has obviously engaged in numerous wars, invasions, interventions, assassinations of national leaders and election interventions since then. De facto, the president has appropriated the war-making authority into his own hands for several generations. The Founders are still rolling around in their graves, deeply troubled in their eternal sleep.
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Except that it did? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
 
Rallywagon
Except that it did? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
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...from your link:

"I am very interested also in the process that we are pursuing. This is not a resolution to declare war. We know that. This is a resolution that does something much different. This resolution transfers the responsibility, the authority, and the power of the Congress to the President so he can declare war when and if he wants to. He has not even indicated that he wants to go to war or has to go to war; but he will make the full decision, not the Congress, not the people through the Congress of this country in that manner.

It does something else, though. One-half of the resolution delivers this power to the President, but it also instructs him to enforce U.N. resolutions. I happen to think I would rather listen to the President when he talks about unilateralism and national security interests, than accept this responsibility to follow all of the rules and the dictates of the United Nations. That is what this resolution does. It instructs him to follow all of the resolutions."

- Congressman Ron Paul
 
BobK
Oh agreed, but it's the Japanese opinion that truly matters.
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I'm not so sure, American bases and installations are considered "sovereign", I think.

Rallywagon
And Congress, since Trump is a president, not a king, that makes up only 1 third of the power of the US government. Even if he wants war, it still has to go to vote in front of Congress.
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That's to declare war, something that he won't necessarily do. As we've seen recently he's quite prepared to launch strikes in a foreign country without that approval.

He would need congressional approval to invade Venezuela if he follows through on his statements, I doubt that any offensive against NK would be of a similar type.
 
DQuaN
Which knocked out half the lights in Hawaii with the EMP. That would be great though. Let them detonate a couple of hundred miles out and see all their electrical infrastructure fry! That would set their programmes back a few years!

Unfortunately it would probably do the same for South Korea.
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And a reasonable chunk of China I'd imagine, may even reach Japan.
 
We have gone through North Korea attacking South Korean Island years ago. We have gone through actual North Korean terrorism on South Korean Airplane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_858

But to think that NK now threathens Nuclear attack. Russia and China has made a decision that let US attack if NK attacks first. So that's something atleast.
 
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FoRiZon
We have gone through North Korea attacking South Korean Island years ago. We have gone through actual North Korean terrorism on South Korean Airplane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_858

But to think that NK now threathens Nuclear attack. Russia and China has made a decision that let US attack if NK attacks first. So that's something atleast.
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Do you have a source for that by chance? It's interesting bit of info, but is China really going to stand back and let the US attack its lap dog as long as NK attacks someone else first?

I like the comment by one member who said China is the key element and as soon as they wipe their hands of NK, something could be done without China reacting.
 
McLaren
Do you have a source for that by chance? It's interesting bit of info, but is China really going to stand back and let the US attack its lap dog as long as NK attacks someone else first?

I like the comment by one member who said China is the key element and as soon as they wipe their hands of NK, something could be done without China reacting.
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Its from this piece.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/08/china-remain-neutral-north-korea-attacks-170811064530204.html

It's basically says China only intervene US if they attack first, but remain neutral if NK did first instead.
 

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