OFC-1 Concept '07 for Lightweight K-Cup; Eifel 104A(Seasonal)

[shifty1]

Arguably the best car for the short Eifel 104A Seasonal, though I would love to see a similar tune for the Cappuccino RM to compare Thank you..

420 PP limit
Race Soft tires

 

[dr_slump]

There are so many tunes available and you open a new thread for it?

 

[XDesperado67]

Arguably the best car for the short Eifel 104A Seasonal, though I would love to see a similar tune for the Cappuccino RM to compare Thank you..

420 PP limit
Race Soft tires

The Copen active top is the better choice of the Daihatsus available as premiums. The Daihatsus are the best premiums by quite a bit for k Eifel but there are several standards that are better.

Not saying that I have the best tune for it but the Daihatsu Cuore/Mira TR-XX is the best car for the k Eifel, and I have a good tune for one in my garage.

Oh by the way the Cappuccino is possibly one of the slowest cars for that race. Only thing it has going for it is the way it looks RMed.

 

[shifty1]

The Copen active top is the better choice of the Daihatsus available as premiums. The Daihatsus are the best premiums by quite a bit for k Eifel but there are several standards that are better.

Not saying that I have the best tune for it but the Daihatsu Cuore/Mira TR-XX is the best car for the k Eifel, and I have a good tune for one in my garage.

Oh by the way the Cappuccino is possibly one of the slowest cars for that race. Only thing it has going for it is the way it looks RMed.

I have seen some posts that talk about the cars for Eifel; Copen, Midget II, Cervo, Capp RM, OFC, Mira if you can find it etc.. I agree the OFC is way better than the Capp RM for this race, about 3 seconds per lap better so far (57.9 - 1.00) But I know it can do better, that's why I'm still trying to figure out this specific tune.. I've seen OFC-1 and other K-cup tunes for top-speed, but not for shorter tracks.. In-fact, most tunes I've found since I joined the site YESTERDAY look like they are designed for max speed? IDK if this is just a matter of keeping all the settings the same(suspension, brakes, LSD) and just adjusting the gear-ratios and final gear to match the course? Is it always better to reduce power and add weight to meet PP restrictions? If a tune is for sports-hard tires should it be changed when you put on race-soft? I still have a lot to learn but this one I was wanting to throw out there because it's a bit confusing and people get off-topic or start arguing..

I want the Mira so bad, I'm looking for it every day(GT day) in the used lot. Found that Zonda this morning

If I find the Mira I will check out your tune for sure.

Until I can get answers on my tuning Q's above , or figure it out on my own, it's just a guessing game..

 

[XDesperado67]

I have seen some posts that talk about the cars for Eifel; Copen, Midget II, Cervo, Capp RM, OFC, Mira if you can find it etc.. I agree the OFC is way better than the Capp RM for this race, about 3 seconds per lap better so far (57.9 - 1.00) But I know it can do better, that's why I'm still trying to figure out this specific tune.. I've seen OFC-1 and other K-cup tunes for top-speed, but not for shorter tracks.. In-fact, most tunes I've found since I joined the site YESTERDAY look like they are designed for max speed? IDK if this is just a matter of keeping all the settings the same(suspension, brakes, LSD) and just adjusting the gear-ratios and final gear to match the course? Is it always better to reduce power and add weight to meet PP restrictions? If a tune is for sports-hard tires should it be changed when you put on race-soft? I still have a lot to learn but this one I was wanting to throw out there because it's a bit confusing and people get off-topic or start arguing..

I want the Mira so bad, I'm looking for it every day(GT day) in the used lot. Found that Zonda this morning

If I find the Mira I will check out your tune for sure.

Until I can get answers on my tuning Q's above , or figure it out on my own, it's just a guessing game..

Send me a friend request on PSN. I'll give you a fully tuned Cuore TR-XX (same car as the mira, Cuore was the export name, Mira the name used in Japan) when I get home in couple hours. A tune made for a car on sports softs should need very little adjustment to perform okay on race soft, however the opposite is not always true.
Adjusting max speed on a transmission to match the track can give a small boost in acceleration, but I'm not a gear specialist and that can get tricky.
In my personal opinion, and like certain body parts everyone's got one, using weight to meet PP restrictions is the best option. I try to use as little power limiter as possible. Don't have time at the moment to go into all my reasons, but the short version is better weight distribution helps handling and better power to weight ratio for better acceleration and top end.

 

[CyKosis1973]

Arguably the best car for the short Eifel 104A Seasonal, though I would love to see a similar tune for the Cappuccino RM to compare Thank you..

420 PP limit
Race Soft tires

I prefer to hack around this track in my CERVO. It'll put in sub 0:59s on SS tyres, I'm sure you can knock a few seconds off of that by slapping RS tyres on. Use aero, power restriction and ballast to hit 420PP.

The Copen active top is the better choice of the Daihatsus available as premiums.

Whilst the Copen has more plastic bits to stick on it, I prefer the Concept due to its 7 speed gearbox. I've got a build that, unsurprisingly, works with both.

{Cy}

 

[XDesperado67]

I prefer to hack around this track in my CERVO. It'll put in sub 0:59s on SS tyres, I'm sure you can knock a few seconds off of that by slapping RS tyres on. Use aero, power restriction and ballast to hit 420PP.



Whilst the Copen has more plastic bits to stick on it, I prefer the Concept due to its 7 speed gearbox. I've got a build that, unsurprisingly, works with both.

{Cy}

If your slapping plastic bits on (I.e. aero of any sort) you are just adding unnecessary PP and drag to the car slowing it down.

As for the gears that extra gear is just something to make you work harder if you use a manual transmission, and since you get a better power to weight ratio out of the copen its faster.) I like the OFC but if your going for speed its not the best choice.

 

[CyKosis1973]

If your slapping plastic bits on (I.e. aero of any sort) you are just adding unnecessary PP and drag to the car slowing it down.

As for the gears that extra gear is just something to make you work harder if you use a manual transmission, and since you get a better power to weight ratio out of the copen its faster.) I like the OFC but if your going for speed its not the best choice.

I don't consider it unnecessary, I run minimal amounts of downforce. I find it useful for cornering and braking. I favour handling over outright speed on this track.

I drive AT, so there's no extra effort required and I find the acceleration is better. It's also why I prefer the CERVO over the Copen and Concept. It’s ugly as sin and fun to drive.

Horses for courses...

{Cy}

 

[XDesperado67]

I don't consider it unnecessary, I run minimal amounts of downforce. I find it useful for cornering and braking. I favour handling over outright speed on this track.

I drive AT, so there's no extra effort required and I find the acceleration is better. It's also why I prefer the CERVO over the Copen and Concept. It’s ugly as sin and fun to drive.

Horses for courses...

{Cy}

The Cervo is a very nice car for this event have one in that beautiful factory purple. With proper tuning of the suspension you don't need any additional downforce as the car gets plenty of grip without. Not to mention placing extra downforce on the rear of a front drive vehicle generally defeats the whole purpose...but to each their own.

 

[CyKosis1973]

The Cervo is a very nice car for this event have one in that beautiful factory purple. With proper tuning of the suspension you don't need any additional downforce as the car gets plenty of grip without. Not to mention placing extra downforce on the rear of a front drive vehicle generally defeats the whole purpose...but to each their own.

I copied HKS for the suspension, so that's pretty well sorted. The extra downforce does serve a purpose, as per my previous. If down force on a FWD car defeats the whole purpose, why does Jason Plato have a plank strapped to the rear of his Seat. Stop beating that drum dude, it's boring...

{Cy}

 

[XDesperado67]

I copied HKS for the suspension, so that's pretty well sorte d. The extra downforce does serve a purpose, as per my previous. If down force on a FWD car defeats the whole purpose, why does Jason Plato have a plank strapped to the rear of his Seat. Stop beating that drum dude, it's boring...

{Cy}

Don't know who Jason Plato is but my guess is he is driving a very high powered race car with speeds approaching 200 mph where a properly set up wing helps the car maintain stability. It probably also creates little actual downforce unless the front of the car is similarly equipped with aerodynamic aids that create significant downforce in the front as well. Trust me if your suspension tune is as good as you claim then your cervo will make better lap times and corner at least as good if not better without the wing. Suggest you at least try it before spouting the merits.

 

[CyKosis1973]

I have. I run between 5 and 8 on downforce, just about enough for half your 200mph, ta...

{Cy}

 

[-raVer-]

raVer

 

[XDesperado67]

Thanks raVer nice video
So where's the massive plank? Was expecting to see a WRC or F1 size rear wing instead you have a relatively small wing that I'm guessing is adjusted to provide little downforce but helps stabilize the car and improves overall aerodynamic flow. Also would say the air dam on the front is actually functional as opposed to what you tack on to a non RM car in GT5.

 

[-raVer-]

Thanks raVer nice video
So where's the massive plank? Was expecting to see a WRC or F1 size rear wing instead you have a relatively small wing that I'm guessing is adjusted to provide little downforce but helps stabilize the car and improves overall aerodynamic flow. Also would say the air dam on the front is actually functional as opposed to what you tack on to a non RM car in GT5.

This is some nice offroad racing 👍

I LOL`d a bit.

btw this was the first vid I found on Youtube searching for Jason Plato


raVer

 

[CyKosis1973]

Thanks raVer nice video
So where's the massive plank? Was expecting to see a WRC or F1 size rear wing instead you have a relatively small wing that I'm guessing is adjusted to provide little downforce but helps stabilize the car and improves overall aerodynamic flow. Also would say the air dam on the front is actually functional as opposed to what you tack on to a non RM car in GT5.

You need to adjust your expectations then Sir, I never suggested massive WRC or F1 style spoilers. However, now you mention WRC, I do recall my days of standing around in freezing forests watching rally cars tearing the place up. One of the first times I went, there were two WRC Megans (old, old shape, we're talking the 90's here), both of which were FWD and both of which had huge WRC style spoilers.

Long and short of the matter is, there are numerous reasons for strapping a plank to the rear of a FWD car, which is contrary to your claim that doing so defeats the purpose of the car.

This is my favourite video of Jason Plato (in yet another FWD car), enjoy



{Cy}

 

[Adrenaline]

Semantics.
Yes, the rear wing is functional and can be used effectively.
In GT5, it 'defeats the purpose', because 99% of all FF's understeer. Adding rear downforce, is counter intuitive. I believe that was his point.

 

[f1webberfan]

IMO, to the OP, the suzuki capp modified is way more faster then the race modification of that car.