Ongoing PSN outages

[atiger]

How dare any of you criticize the worlds most fantastic company that is Sony. You just don't have the right to say anything negative about them. Listen to the pretty Pony people. If it takes another week to fix, so what. It's a free service, not like you pay for it in the price of a console or games, is it. Leave Britney alone, ok.

 

[Terronium-12]

Quite convenient for Sony that 'anons' attacked their psn servers earlier this month so they have someone to blame for their own mistakes. Instead of getting pissed on Sony like people should, people are getting pissed on anonymous. Ddos attacks dont do any damage to servers, they just shut down traffick temporarely by requesting more data than the server can handle. Once the attacks stop, the server will work again.

I'm guessing that the servers are down for maintenance because it's just been discovered that the psn servers stores all the our user data, like credit card information and passwords, unencrypted.

Bye-bye PSN. I never had any intention to pay for your "Premium" services anyway, but that's just icing on the cake. And people say Microsoft are bad.

How dare any of you criticize the worlds most fantastic company that is Sony. You just don't have the right to say anything negative about them. Listen to the pretty Pony people. If it takes another week to fix, so what. It's a free service, not like you pay for it in the price of a console or games, is it. Leave Britney alone, ok.

You're a genius.

 

[Tornado]

I'm guessing that the servers are down for maintenance because it's just been discovered that the psn servers stores all the our user data, like credit card information and passwords, unencrypted.

That was discovered months ago, and it isn't actually the way you are representing it.

 

[Stephen220378]

Really? Over an online service that you're possibly not paying for? Seriously?

And even then, they still don't have to tell you/us/any individual one person a damn thing. It won't be the end of world; what are you going to do, sue them?

Not paying for? Let me once again rip apart your argument. So when you bought your PS3, you didn't pay for PSN? Or when you buy a PS3 game or any Sony branded PS3 product you're not paying for their online services? Just because the costs are hidden within their product pricing doesn't mean you aren't paying for it. Do you seriously think that Sony doesn't take into account the cost of running and maintaning the Playstation Network when they're working out what profit they have to make from PS3 products each year? Do you think they just say "don't include PSN because it's free to our customers?" If so then you clearly know nothing about how companies operate.

 

[atiger]

You're a genius.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad you recognize it. Have fun playing my little pony on Wii. Personally I can't wait to get back to playing GT5 online. Bye.

 

[xXKingJoshXx]

Not paying for? Let me once again rip apart your argument. So when you bought your PS3, you didn't pay for PSN? Or when you buy a PS3 game or any Sony branded PS3 product you're not paying for their online services? Just because the costs are hidden within their product pricing doesn't mean you aren't paying for it. Do you seriously think that Sony doesn't take into account the cost of running and maintaning the Playstation Network when they're working out what profit they have to make from PS3 products each year? Do you think they just say "don't include PSN because it's free to our customers?" If so then you clearly know nothing about how companies operate.

Agreed.

 

[Terronium-12]

Not paying for? Let me once again rip apart your argument. So when you bought your PS3, you didn't pay for PSN? Or when you buy a PS3 game or any Sony branded PS3 product you're not paying for their online services? Just because the costs are hidden within their product pricing doesn't mean you aren't paying for it. Do you seriously think that Sony doesn't take into account the cost of running and maintaning the Playstation Network when they're working out what profit they have to make from PS3 products each year? Do you think they just say "don't include PSN because it's free to our customers?" If so then you clearly know nothing about how companies operate.

Again? Again would imply you were successful in a previous attempt which, for the life of me, I just can't recall. So.. *click*.

I'm glad you recognize it. Have fun playing my little pony on Wii. Personally I can't wait to get back to playing GT5 online. Bye.

Clearly I'm not on your level of wit and attempted humor, so.. *click*.

 

[Milldrum]

Come on already. I've spent too long looking at this thread. I want to race my brother online and I want it now.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I'm glad you recognize it. Have fun playing my little pony on Wii. Personally I can't wait to get back to playing GT5 online. Bye.

What a loser.

 

[Stephen220378]

Again? Again would imply you were successful in a previous attempt which, for the life of me, I just can't recall. So.. *click*.



Clearly I'm not on your level of wit and attempted humor, so.. *click*.

Yes, that would be the weak argument you put forward yesterday about the Nintendo Wii. You seem to be the type of person that likes to come across as well informed and intelligent but as soon as a reply comes your way you don't like and more importantly can't answer, you seem to worm your way out of it.

Nothing personal, it's just my opinion and I could be wrong.

 

[Tornado]

So when you bought your PS3, you didn't pay for PSN? Or when you buy a PS3 game or any Sony branded PS3 product you're not paying for their online services? Just because the costs are hidden within their product pricing doesn't mean you aren't paying for it. Do you seriously think that Sony doesn't take into account the cost of running and maintaning the Playstation Network when they're working out what profit they have to make from PS3 products each year? Do you think they just say "don't include PSN because it's free to our customers?" If so then you clearly know nothing about how companies operate.

Yeah... that's not really how it works. Sony pays for PSN by diverting money away from what would be their profits. That was Sony's choice to make, and while you are indirectly paying for PSN because you are paying Sony, that's quite a bit different from actually paying for PSN. All of the profits that Sony makes are amortized and allotted in whatever way Sony deems fit, and Sony deems it fit to use some of those profits to fund PSN. If I bought a Ford Focus I'm technically paying for the research and development of the next Ford Mustang, but I'm not actually paying for the next Ford Mustang.

And, by the way, that's not what a "hidden cost" is. You would be paying the same amount of money regardless of whether PSN was free or not. The only difference is that it would end up going somewhere else. For it to be a hidden cost, PS3 games would need to cost more than the equivalent 360 game, with the excess money going to PSN costs, but without Sony giving a reason for why the games are more expensive.

 

[Boricua1117]

wow , im not sure if this is true or not so you dont have to listen to it but i heard on some website that anonymous is going to attack sony as soon as they put it back up . Has any one else heard this?

 

[onearmbandit]

Yeah... that's not really how it works. Sony pays for PSN by diverting money away from what would be their profits. That was Sony's choice to make, and while you are indirectly paying for PSN because you are paying Sony, that's quite a bit different from actually paying for PSN.

And, by the way, that's not what a "hidden cost" is. You would be paying the same amount of money regardless of whether PSN was free or not. The only difference is that it would end up going somewhere else. For it to be a hidden cost, PS3 games would need to cost more than the equivalent 360 game, with the excess money going to PSN costs, but without Sony giving a reason for why the games are more expensive.

^^This^^

 

[Boricua1117]

wow , im not sure if this is true or not so you dont have to listen to it but i heard on some website that anonymous is going to attack sony as soon as they put it back up . Has any one else heard this?

Edit: when they put Psn back up

 

[xXKingJoshXx]

wow , im not sure if this is true or not so you dont have to listen to it but i heard on some website that anonymous is going to attack sony as soon as they put it back up . Has any one else heard this?

I'm sure that isn't true, just saying...

 

[C-ZETA]

Yeah... that's not really how it works. Sony pays for PSN by diverting money away from what would be their profits. That was Sony's choice to make, and while you are indirectly paying for PSN because you are paying Sony, that's quite a bit different from actually paying for PSN.

But wait a sec...surely Microsoft are that rich? They don't pay XBL when if anything they are just as rich as Sony. Not that I'm complaining...it's really sad to see you have to pay money for online gaming on the X360 still. Although technically speaking you still need a connection to play online anywhere and that costs money no matter what.

 

[a6m5]

If so then you clearly know nothing about how companies operate.

Of course we pay into PSN indirectly. But if you are confusing that with us actually paying for PSN, I don't know what to tell you man.

 

[arora]

^^This^^

Is wrong.

The cost of on xbox game is not relevant to the cost of psn in any way.

Looking at gt5 for example it is clear it has very little play value offline so we are obviously buying it with the intentions of playing online. If I did not have internet at my home or could not pay for psn if it had cost, I would not own games that are only usefull online.

On the other hand I really do love playing ratchet and clank games with my kids and I have no problem buying those games with no reguard to psn.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

So much drama for so little reason.

 

[Stephen220378]

Yeah... that's not really how it works. Sony pays for PSN by diverting money away from what would be their profits. That was Sony's choice to make, and while you are indirectly paying for PSN because you are paying Sony, that's quite a bit different from actually paying for PSN. All of the profits that Sony makes are amortized and allotted in whatever way Sony deems fit, and Sony deems it fit to use some of those profits to fund PSN. If I bought a Ford Focus I'm technically paying for the research and development of the next Ford Mustang, but I'm not actually paying for the next Ford Mustang.

And, by the way, that's not what a "hidden cost" is. You would be paying the same amount of money regardless of whether PSN was free or not. The only difference is that it would end up going somewhere else. For it to be a hidden cost, PS3 games would need to cost more than the equivalent 360 game, with the excess money going to PSN costs, but without Sony giving a reason for why the games are more expensive.

Why are you using two different accounts?

What you've said is absolute rubbish. When you've actually been at boardroom level in a company like myself and know what you're talking about please come back to me and we'll continue this discussion. Until then......

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Why are you using two different accounts?

What you've said is absolute rubbish. When you've actually been at boardroom level in a company like myself and know what you're talking about please come back to me and we'll continue this discussion. Until then......

I am the CEO of Microsoft.

 

[Terronium-12]

I am the CEO of Microsoft.

Steve, is that you? Can I have job?

Yes, you read that right: "Can I have job?"

 

[a6m5]

So much drama for so little reason.

I don't know about little reason. But many, not limited to this thread, are making butt out of themselves over much assumption. Very typical scenery on internet, really.

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

Steve, is that you?

Can I have job?

Hellz ya, how does President of Public Relations sound?

 

[Stephen220378]

Of course we pay into PSN indirectly. But if you are confusing that with us actually paying for PSN, I don't know what to tell you man.

What? So unless Sony charge their customers a set amount per annum for their online services then that means that it's free? I'm not confusing anything, we, Sony's customers, pay for Playstation Network. We ARE actually paying for it.

 

[FCB-Rizla-TML]

There is no such thing as free lunch.

 

[Terronium-12]

Hellz ya, how does President of Public Relations sound?

Awesome! When do I start?

Last bit of off-topicness from me.

 

[Stephen220378]

I am the CEO of Microsoft.

In that case, where were you when the PSN went down may I ask?

 

[Boricua1117]

i figured this all out , im going to gamestop tomorrow and buying an xbox

 

[II-zOoLoGy-II]

In that case, where were you when the PSN went down may I ask?

Laughing.