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- Southampton Hants UK
- magicayrton
You just have to relax, take it easy at the start, then wait for a few people to come off.. then put the hammer down.. I have won on nordschleife like that a few times. :-)
Online Career Mode
- Thread starter Johnnypenso
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You just have to relax, take it easy at the start, then wait for a few people to come off.. then put the hammer down.. I have won on nordschleife like that a few times. :-)
- 963
- Toronto, Canada
- times_fade
In my opinion, there's absolutely no mathematical way to programm A.I that will act as a relplacement to the true way humans race under pressure, there's too many different scenarios that happen throughout a race, and there's only so many times the CPU can recalculate in any given second.
Humans have emotions, racing is a constantly changing emotionally driven sport of real aggressive pressure, overtaking tactics and mistakes... this cannot be replicated, although perhaps improved... since GT5 Prologue I have no interest in offline because it's just so dull, no matter how 'good' the A.I is, it's still fake.
- 4,552
- Australia
I like the idea of player statistics. I think there should be a record of 'series' won, and the detail of these series, just for posterity. I also wouldn't mind the option of there being a more rigid framework for online series in GT6, because a lot of the time right now the player has an overall limited idea of what to expect when joining lobbies. For instance, a clean shuffle room can turn into a dirty NASCAR room within seconds just because the host leaves.
However those are more individual features, and I see integrating an actual online 'career' mode as highly open to exploitation. I wouldn't mind players receiving trophies or banana stickers for certain achievements, but tying those online achievements in to rewards that put the player at an advantage over the competition is where I feel the issues will arise. I just don't see it being implemented well, more than anything else.
Another idea I do not like is the separation of online and offline winnings. I hate having to start over from scratch when I go from online to offline, I feel it is just an artificial handicap used to extend the playing time of the game, similar to the much-derided levelling system in GT5. It really just turns the online mode into a grind as well - Grid 2 does this, and it is awful.
I think the best solution is having quality AI to make offline racing actually exciting and challenging, as well as giving the players more options (qualifying, varying points systems, racing series, maybe even betting) to find and implement online racing series that suit their own preferences.
However those are more individual features, and I see integrating an actual online 'career' mode as highly open to exploitation. I wouldn't mind players receiving trophies or banana stickers for certain achievements, but tying those online achievements in to rewards that put the player at an advantage over the competition is where I feel the issues will arise. I just don't see it being implemented well, more than anything else.
Another idea I do not like is the separation of online and offline winnings. I hate having to start over from scratch when I go from online to offline, I feel it is just an artificial handicap used to extend the playing time of the game, similar to the much-derided levelling system in GT5. It really just turns the online mode into a grind as well - Grid 2 does this, and it is awful.
I think the best solution is having quality AI to make offline racing actually exciting and challenging, as well as giving the players more options (qualifying, varying points systems, racing series, maybe even betting) to find and implement online racing series that suit their own preferences.
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- 28,470
- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
- Johnnypenso
I can't speak for everyone else, but I wouldn't care if the AI were an exact duplicate of my own speed and put up a perfect challenge, I still wouldn't race them and would still prefer to race real people. There is something about the idea of knowing another person is controlling that car beside you as opposed to a computer chip. Once the doors of online racing were opened, I don't want to look back. I'd like to see the AI improved for those that prefer offline, but it holds no interest for me whatsoever, regardless of how good it is.
If done properly, the separation of online/offline winnings, same as entering an online career mode to begin with, would and should be optional. You won't be forced to separate winnings unless you choose for yourself to have a separate online career. If you choose to do so, you could play the game exactly as you do now.
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- 3,505
- Sweden
- xNikodemusx
Really like the idea of a online career mode.. could be done in several ways, but this would work. I wouldn't mind being able to run cooperatively against the AI in the usual A-spec championships though. Then you just need one friend and it makes it so much more fun. ^^
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- Paradise
- Ship_Monster
You'd need some kind of status bar to know if there's other players in the same category ready to play. Like some kind of latency system where you can hit a button for sunday cup 300pp and while you do other things it could group players up to fill the field.
I think this thread is a good idea but what would happen after a few months? Would it become that the bottom races would be deserted because we'd all be ranked up, leaving no one to race the noobs?
Edit: how about the ability to bring friends into a-spec races? A mix of AI and online.
I think this thread is a good idea but what would happen after a few months? Would it become that the bottom races would be deserted because we'd all be ranked up, leaving no one to race the noobs?
Edit: how about the ability to bring friends into a-spec races? A mix of AI and online.
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- Mexico City
- ppmike921
- MikeB0ssMan
Just a quick thought, What the hell does "A-Spec" even mean? Can't they/we just call it Career Mode? It's getting ridiculous, this whole "a-spec, b-spec, c-spec (insert random letter)-spec" thing.
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- Earth
- TheLordSnowden
- LordSnowden
Correct, but you can make a "brain" that is convincing enough to satisfy most. Code masters does a fine job these days but not since flight sims has AI been top notch. They aren't hard to program, but they are very hard to balance efficiently with limited hardware resource. AI is purely based on computational cycles, the more and faster the more realistic it can seem, and even make believable mistakes.
The rule in game development is to be convincing, not to be real. Because "reality" isn't fun... But sims are a minor exception to how that rules is weighted.
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- Southampton Hants UK
- magicayrton
In addition this do you think we will be able to have an online category race?, what I mean is, will we be able to race 300PP, 450PP and 700PP Classes all together at Lemans for example.. now that would be great fun and would make for much more overtaking etc..
- 1,211
- Earth
- TheLordSnowden
- LordSnowden
Multi class racing is very easy to do. Its simply grouping cars in a very simple ladder structure that could be expanded infinity. Its nothing more than multiple leader boards, though that is a slightly gross over simplification.
But its the gameplay logic and flow that supports a system like this to be more than just a gimmick. In the real world this is mostly in endurance racing.
I would bet we will see this in the online section as Kas did say online championships were coming and this would be very simple to do and would allow multiple championships to run together.
Additionally it would support rooms filling up.... We did this allot in Forza (its has this feature) just so we could run different cars we wanted and for players of different exp levels to have more fun and be competitive. Also earning them a spot in the class above as they develop...
As a development of this idea, what if there were Seasonal Events done in a way that a lobby of players could be hosted? Since it's a Seasonal Event, the qualifications, course, etc are laid out by PD. You just choose which one you want to race in, and see if others are playing it too.
Maybe the Seasonals could be turned into something of an online 'career mode.'
Maybe the Seasonals could be turned into something of an online 'career mode.'
- 1,095
- United Kingdom
- Traviizter
Instead of racing directly against others, PD could implement a system similar to Real Racing 3 on smartphones where players race against each other indirectly. Basically the servers record the lap time and vehicle data and you can play against other people. This way it would be easier to see if people are hacking due to anomalous times compared to their vehicle data.
Or you could have both, direct and indirect.
Or you could have both, direct and indirect.
- 4,089
- Utah
No. It's a terrible idea unless it's optional like you mention. Otherwise that would turn GT into a PvP exclusively. Not everyone likes that kind of crap. Me, personally, I want to enjoy the game by myself as I've always had since GT1.
Things are good how they are now. If PD starts dedicating time to something like this they will neglect the already decadent Career mode that GT5 had (and for what it seems, what GT6's will be as well).
The game need it's offline career mode. It's the very essence of Gran Turismo and it should always be priority. These Online options are just extras. Should they be kept? Yes; but for the ones who want to make use of it, and not force it into everyone.
If PD ever thinks on doing something like this, they should release a separate game. Of course, that would hurt the real Gran Turismo, because I see them forgetting it with time.
So no.
Things are good how they are now. If PD starts dedicating time to something like this they will neglect the already decadent Career mode that GT5 had (and for what it seems, what GT6's will be as well).
The game need it's offline career mode. It's the very essence of Gran Turismo and it should always be priority. These Online options are just extras. Should they be kept? Yes; but for the ones who want to make use of it, and not force it into everyone.
If PD ever thinks on doing something like this, they should release a separate game. Of course, that would hurt the real Gran Turismo, because I see them forgetting it with time.
So no.
- 28,470
- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
- Johnnypenso
There's no reason an Online and Offline Career Mode can't work side by side in the same game with options for everyone how they want to proceed with the game. If PD releases high payout Seasonals early on, they'll basically be giving those that want it, a way around slogging through ASpec races to get where they want to go. A separate game for online/offline probably wouldn't be cost effective and would be a hinderance to those that want to do both. This can easily be done within the game as it is. GT only payed lipservice to the online portion of the game in GT5 and that just won't cut it moving forward IMO.
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- Schwarzwald
Online career is a great idea.
In GT5 you already get money and A-Spec points when you play online, so you can basically beat the game only playing online... theoretically.
What would be awesome is an exclusive online career. So you can only buy and use cars with money you earn online in predefined online races with strict rules. You earn experience points by winning and driving clean.
You level up so you can buy the faster cars, but you can also be leveled down if you lose to often or drive like an idiot.
The amount of exp you earn depends on the track, weather, time, opponents. For example, you win against higher level players you earn alot exp and level up fast. Lose against high level players, and you dont lose too much exp. Win with a car thats slower than you opponents, you gain more exp. Drive clean, gain extra exp.
Matckmaking would work like that: there are official events, for example 400pp german cars, nordschleife 2 laps. If you join that event, you will automatically be matched with other people who joined that event. (similar to call of duty playlist).
The most important thing is that your Level is not save, it can go up OR down, like an ELO system.
In GT5 you already get money and A-Spec points when you play online, so you can basically beat the game only playing online... theoretically.
What would be awesome is an exclusive online career. So you can only buy and use cars with money you earn online in predefined online races with strict rules. You earn experience points by winning and driving clean.
You level up so you can buy the faster cars, but you can also be leveled down if you lose to often or drive like an idiot.
The amount of exp you earn depends on the track, weather, time, opponents. For example, you win against higher level players you earn alot exp and level up fast. Lose against high level players, and you dont lose too much exp. Win with a car thats slower than you opponents, you gain more exp. Drive clean, gain extra exp.
Matckmaking would work like that: there are official events, for example 400pp german cars, nordschleife 2 laps. If you join that event, you will automatically be matched with other people who joined that event. (similar to call of duty playlist).
The most important thing is that your Level is not save, it can go up OR down, like an ELO system.
- 48
- Buenos Aires
- Juan_de_Suarez
I made a post here from this feature, i think this should be a great idea to make the game more challenging.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/online-career-mode.319069/
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/online-career-mode.319069/
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