opinions on the use of 4X4 or SUV's in GT5 prologue or GT5

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I see no reason MPVs can't be used, either...so long as we have more than two. (Avantime/Odyssey (J), and really, only one's really an MPV.)

The Japanese do have a way with such vehicles, too...take a look here...

 
Most of those shouldn't be even thought about, honestly a Ford Aerostar? A Jeepster? A Caravan? An Astro? Seriously who wants to even think about racing this?

Well they did have the Astro in Enthusia, so why not GT? And anyways, that's like asking "who wants to race a Kei car?" or "who wants to race a Model T?" There are some people that would, and some people that wouldn't. I would be one of the people that would, thank you very much. ;)

The only SUV's and trucks that should be include are the ones that are fast in the first place. The SRT-8 Cherokee would be good, the Sy/Ty would be good, and to some lesser extent maybe a VUE Redline.

So they have to be fast to be included? Wonder how the Ram 1500 (non SRT) made it in then...
 
Never one to give bland and non-detailed advice or comments, allow this Texas boy to get his two cents worth. Please? Thanks!

I've never been prejudiced against SUVs in GT... only as long as we're not forced to use a Hummer. One of my surprise vehicles in GT4 was the Toyota Tacoma X-Runner. Don't let its truck image fool you- that is a car that thinks it's a truck. Tuned right, it can spank some mid and high-end Japanese sports cars. Some may say that the Subaru Forester was the first road-going SUV in the GT series back in Gran Turismo 2. As long as there is off-road racing, I welcome the prospect of SUVs. I welcome pickup trucks and the SUVs. If you're talking about SUVs, the extreme would be Dakar "cars." What are known as "Cars" in Dakar are usually SUVs except for some of the cars custom-made for Dakar. "Enthusia Professional Racing" has quite a few Multipurpose machines in the game like the Toyota Land Cruiser, Chevrolet Astro, Nissan Elgrand (the only RWD Multipurpose machine), and even the Volkswagen Touareg. I'd even welcome the Porsche Cayenne if Porsche was included in GT5 (another topic for another time!).

Most of Gran Turismo is centered around road racing with (usually) sports cars and GT and prototype race cars. So the issue of any SUVs sharing the same race track with one another would beg, "why the holy hell are we racing these top-heavy gas-guzzlers?" I think a real auto and racing enthusiast would say that any vehicle can be a true performer no matter how it looks or what it is. Many of these vehicles simply aren't designed for the rigorous kind of racing in GT. Just because it isn't meant to be raced doesn't mean you still can't make it a racer. You're not going to win the Grand Valley 300K in an SUV, but you can build up an SUV to perform the same as or better than even the best of sports cars.

What would I not mind seeing in GT5? Most of the crossover-utility vehicles would be a plus. I've always loved the Lexus RX series, even the RX400h. It's the only SUV I'd ever want because of its beautiful style and just the fact that it's not really meant to be a hardcore off-roader. I'd want one because it can basically be my family and grocery hauler without overkill in getting an SUV. There was even a Lexus RX-series SUV that ran the 24 Hours at the Nürburgring that I've seen on TV once. * The Mazda CX-7 and CX-9 would be two more great car-like choices to hit the road with in GT5. Some of you remember the commercials for the CX-9 dubbing these two Mazdas as the "SUV you never saw coming." Zoom-Zoom. * The aforementioned Volkswagen Touareg wouldn't be bad either. After all, they have Dakar experience, showing it can take on the road and the off road. * I probably wouldn't mind the original SUV before SUVs became the do-everything machines they are today- the Jeep Grand Cherokee. You rarely see these raced, but I wouldn't mind getting one of these dusted up at Grand Canyon or Tahiti Maze. * The Mitsubishi Pajero has long been one of the best machines made for racing for the Mitsubishi brand. With a long heritage of rally racing, PD would be fools to not include the Mitsubishi Pajero series. * Suzuki's SUV beasts will likely be included in GT5 as it's tough to top the Escudo Pikes Peak. GT2 had the less-successful Cultus Pikes Peak, but unlike the Escudo, has functional brake lights. * BMW has about three SUVs I wouldn't mind seeing- the X5, the X3, and the X5 Le Mans Concept (unless you think concepts don't count as real cars).

I finally, while it was once marketed as an SUV, I wanted to include this in its own paragraph. The BMW X6 was marketed as an SUV in the past (Sports Activity Coupe), but is now mostly marketed as a car. Love it or loathe it, THIS is my idea of a "big car" unlike most crossover-utility vehicles because of its looks. SUV or big car? It's your call. Still would be great to see in GT5 if the opportunity arose. That's all from me. Keep on truckin'!
 
So they have to be fast to be included? Wonder how the Ram 1500 (non SRT) made it in then...

Some what, yes. The Ram 1500 was an awful choice on the developers part since there was the SRT-10 version they could have easily put in. Not to mention PD didn't do a very good job with the truck either. If they are going to include SUV's they need to include the ones with performance and just any old thing.
 
@ JohnBM01:

I think your definition of a suv differs from mine :)
SUV's are would be 4x4's that are mostly rubbish offroad. A lot of them aren't even 4wd

A pajero is a true 4x4, not an suv, and so are almost all the vehicles used in rally raid events.
I even read a story in a German offroad magazine where a Suzuki Vitara got further in a race than more then 20 Porsche Cayennes.
This was because all the Cayennes' electronics died while crossing the first big pool of water :)
 
I'd love SUVs in the game! While I generally hate them IRL, I;d love to test PD's physics system with them. Waiting for excessive body roll! or am I?
 
I say give us some nice trucks and lift kit options for them, then a whole off road race hall for them. Like dirt versions of the original circuits made by PD. And as an enduro, get the track from the Baja 1000

That or just make GT5 and GT5: Off Road.

I'd buy those.
 
That actually would be cool, have GT5 be more about the car-side of racing and have another game that entails the truck/van/suv side, with both on-road and off-road events along with realistic parts and tuning.
 
Personally I think SUVs would be great fun - I love coaxing slow cars round the 'Ring.

Also, as many people have pointed out, GT is about variety - why else would we have the Volvo 240 (which is, incidentally, THE greatest car ever made) in GT4 along side the Yaris, and the Nissan GT-R Concept?

So yes, along with a few off-road tracks, SUVs could be great in GT5.

A nice diesel LR Defender, the XC90 V8, even the Brabus ML63, they would all be fun in their own separate ways.
 
Never one to give bland and non-detailed advice or comments, allow this Texas boy to get his two cents worth. Please? Thanks!

I've never been prejudiced against SUVs in GT... only as long as we're not forced to use a Hummer. One of my surprise vehicles in GT4 was the Toyota Tacoma X-Runner. Don't let its truck image fool you- that is a car that thinks it's a truck. Tuned right, it can spank some mid and high-end Japanese sports cars. Some may say that the Subaru Forester was the first road-going SUV in the GT series back in Gran Turismo 2. As long as there is off-road racing, I welcome the prospect of SUVs. I welcome pickup trucks and the SUVs. If you're talking about SUVs, the extreme would be Dakar "cars." What are known as "Cars" in Dakar are usually SUVs except for some of the cars custom-made for Dakar. "Enthusia Professional Racing" has quite a few Multipurpose machines in the game like the Toyota Land Cruiser, Chevrolet Astro, Nissan Elgrand (the only RWD Multipurpose machine), and even the Volkswagen Touareg. I'd even welcome the Porsche Cayenne if Porsche was included in GT5 (another topic for another time!).

Most of Gran Turismo is centered around road racing with (usually) sports cars and GT and prototype race cars. So the issue of any SUVs sharing the same race track with one another would beg, "why the holy hell are we racing these top-heavy gas-guzzlers?" I think a real auto and racing enthusiast would say that any vehicle can be a true performer no matter how it looks or what it is. Many of these vehicles simply aren't designed for the rigorous kind of racing in GT. Just because it isn't meant to be raced doesn't mean you still can't make it a racer. You're not going to win the Grand Valley 300K in an SUV, but you can build up an SUV to perform the same as or better than even the best of sports cars.

What would I not mind seeing in GT5? Most of the crossover-utility vehicles would be a plus. I've always loved the Lexus RX series, even the RX400h. It's the only SUV I'd ever want because of its beautiful style and just the fact that it's not really meant to be a hardcore off-roader. I'd want one because it can basically be my family and grocery hauler without overkill in getting an SUV. There was even a Lexus RX-series SUV that ran the 24 Hours at the Nürburgring that I've seen on TV once. * The Mazda CX-7 and CX-9 would be two more great car-like choices to hit the road with in GT5. Some of you remember the commercials for the CX-9 dubbing these two Mazdas as the "SUV you never saw coming." Zoom-Zoom. * The aforementioned Volkswagen Touareg wouldn't be bad either. After all, they have Dakar experience, showing it can take on the road and the off road. * I probably wouldn't mind the original SUV before SUVs became the do-everything machines they are today- the Jeep Grand Cherokee. You rarely see these raced, but I wouldn't mind getting one of these dusted up at Grand Canyon or Tahiti Maze. * The Mitsubishi Pajero has long been one of the best machines made for racing for the Mitsubishi brand. With a long heritage of rally racing, PD would be fools to not include the Mitsubishi Pajero series. * Suzuki's SUV beasts will likely be included in GT5 as it's tough to top the Escudo Pikes Peak. GT2 had the less-successful Cultus Pikes Peak, but unlike the Escudo, has functional brake lights. * BMW has about three SUVs I wouldn't mind seeing- the X5, the X3, and the X5 Le Mans Concept (unless you think concepts don't count as real cars).

I finally, while it was once marketed as an SUV, I wanted to include this in its own paragraph. The BMW X6 was marketed as an SUV in the past (Sports Activity Coupe), but is now mostly marketed as a car. Love it or loathe it, THIS is my idea of a "big car" unlike most crossover-utility vehicles because of its looks. SUV or big car? It's your call. Still would be great to see in GT5 if the opportunity arose. That's all from me. Keep on truckin'!

i test drove a x runner in real life, amazing vehicle.
 
That actually would be cool, have GT5 be more about the car-side of racing and have another game that entails the truck/van/suv side, with both on-road and off-road events along with realistic parts and tuning.

Support! Woohoo! Man I would love that
 
@ JohnBM01:

I think your definition of a suv differs from mine :)
SUV's are would be 4x4's that are mostly rubbish offroad. A lot of them aren't even 4wd

A pajero is a true 4x4, not an suv, and so are almost all the vehicles used in rally raid events.
I even read a story in a German offroad magazine where a Suzuki Vitara got further in a race than more then 20 Porsche Cayennes.
This was because all the Cayennes' electronics died while crossing the first big pool of water :)

i like to think of it this way..... a Pajero and a Land Rover are meant to tackle anything and are meant to go off road.

SUVs like a silverado and expedition are manly minivans.

On the other hand, i might be part of the select few that like the Cayenne.

I do realize most people that buy it dont need it. But the fact that it can be bought as a manual 6 and the GTS has sport suspension, i know it will be a blast to drive.
 
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I think your definition of a suv differs from mine :)
SUV's are would be 4x4's that are mostly rubbish offroad. A lot of them aren't even 4wd

A pajero is a true 4x4, not an suv, and so are almost all the vehicles used in rally raid events.
I even read a story in a German offroad magazine where a Suzuki Vitara got further in a race than more then 20 Porsche Cayennes.
This was because all the Cayennes' electronics died while crossing the first big pool of water :)
^ I agree on your statement above, especially if you're already a 4x4 fan (as it states on your avatar). ;)

-> While I'm updating my Vehicle Wish List, I categorize each of these type of 'off-roaders' as I go on:

Type - Examples - Description (on my own words)
CUV/Crosover - Nissan Murano/BMW X3 - Also known as tall but stylish and somehow sporty wagons.
AWD SUV - Honda Pilot/Volvo XC90 - Basically people carriers that are less embarrising than a minivan.
Performance SUV/CUV - Subaru Forester STi/Porsche Cayenne GTS - These vehicles have little to do with off-road an more on-road with performance aspirations.
4WD SUV - Ford Explorer/Chevy Tahoe - Capable off-road in a way, a step-up from 'normal' SUV's.
3-door 4x4 - Suzuki Jimny/Jeep Wrangler - Tough as nails, go anywhere utes.
5-door 4x4 - Mitsu Pajero/Toyota Land Cruiser series - Same as above, but seats more.
SUT/Sport Utility Truck - Honda Ridgeline/Chevy Avalanche - SUV's with pickup attributes.
Pickup - Toyota HiLux/Ford F-150 - Well duh.
Sport Truck - Toyota X-Runner/Holden Ute - Pickup's with sport intentions.

:dunce:
 
^ What do you mean few? I want every 'performance-oriented' vans in GT especially that time attack Odyssey on 1 Lap of America:

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^ It has a TL Type-S engine w/ Turbo, 6 M/T, Brembo brakes, plus who knows whats more inside that wicked Ody. I saw it on SEMA, and boy I drooled. :drool:

-> And a winner for its class. ;)
 
We're not really talking vans here, but I did consider the Odyssey to be a pleasant surprise to tune and race. Trust me. Making a van into a racing machine (as long as there is that potential) can be very fun. Haul groceries... haul ass! That's what the Odyssey could do from my tuning of this machine. Gran Turismo has always been about variety, so I see no reason why that shouldn't continue. This is for auto enthusiasts of many walks of live. Not like Forza that's almost completely devoted to sports cars. There's a car (or truck) for everyone in GT. That's why this series is so great for reasons outside of racing. It would be interesting to see what PD would come up with next.

The Silverado was in GT4, but I think PD should try to get the road-going Silverados. Throw in some Utes, and I'll be fine. Brute Ute racing machines even better (or at least make us able to make our own through customizing and tuning).
 
Not like Forza that's almost completely devoted to sports cars. There's a car (or truck) for everyone in GT. That's why this series is so great for reasons outside of racing. It would be interesting to see what PD would come up with next.

I agree.., To me it seemed Forza was only mainstream vehicles and nothing uncommon. PD makes its mark by bringing some of the most rare and historic vehicles and thus becoming apart of history themselves. Being the first to feature a Renault Alpine, Model T, Auto Union V16 etc. really shows that the creators are true enthusiast and the games is made for true enthusiast. If PD does decide to add in SUVs I wouldn't be suprised.
 
To me it seemed Forza was only mainstream vehicles and nothing uncommon. PD makes its mark by bringing some of the most rare and historic vehicles and thus becoming apart of history themselves.

Bingo, Most car games just go for the mainstream cars, GT has so much more than that, probabat the expensive of missing some more common cars, but I am not complaining.
 
I hope all SUVs die.

They have no use in a gran turismo series. They are not a worthwhile addition to the game in any way shape or form.

Should we also add lawn tractors?
 
I hope all SUVs die.

They have no use in a gran turismo series. They are not a worthwhile addition to the game in any way shape or form.

Should we also add lawn tractors?

your forum name resembles the age of your opinion.

Not ALL suvs are minivan replacements for soccer moms.

Look at my 4 post in this thread for proof.
 
Not to mention since when is adding an SUV the same as adding a lawn tractor?? :ill: (Though lawn tractors would be fun to race :P)
 
Considering the total boredom that was the GT4 truckraces, no SUV´s should ever get close to GT5.
Utitlity vehicles such as trucks, SUV´s, lawnmowers or tractors, has no place in GT games, no matter how fast they are. Period.
 
Unless there are 2000 cars in GT5, including many Australian cars, I don't even want to hear the words 4X4, SUV or truck with regards to GT5.
 
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