ORS | SEASON 4 | Hybrid vs Petrol TC Championship

[jasr73]

Agree mate, simply from bang for buck perspective it's definitely good value for money. I think we can forget sometimes how awesome games like GT have become - I can still remember playing Pole Position on my Commodore 64. At the time, I thought it was the greatest thing ever. What where my parents feeding me back then?

Anyway, I was having a bit of whinge about the $6.95 charge but that's more to do with the principal of us paying basically double what our American friends are, rather than X being a fail (it does look stunning doesn’t it). I'm happy to keep tipping money PD's way so they can keep the Dev going. I hope there’s a plan to unlock the mysterious interior. That would be epic.

 

[Mic_Col]

Agree mate, simply from bang for buck perspective it's definitely good value for money. I think we can forget sometimes how awesome games like GT have become - I can still remember playing Pole Position on my Commodore 64. At the time, I thought it was the greatest thing ever. What where my parents feeding me back then?

Gees that takes me back. We used to play Pole Position 2 ( PP2 ) I think it was, memory's starting to fade with the years. but we were too short of cash to have disk drives for our C64 back then. So we would load it from datasette, which is a cassette based drive

This:

Which stored the games on the old school tape. Good old LPs and tapes, no such thing as Itunes back then. We bought the blank tapes to copy friends LPs and C64 games .

Anyway using the datasette PP2 took 17 minutes to load, 17 MINUTES!!!

We would plan our afternoon around whether or not we would be playing PP2 and use the loading time to go and grab lunch or dinner (depending on time of day)

If that's the game I'm thinking of you used to pit and then had to control the 1 pit crewman (yeah 1 guy ) who walked like a zombie and single handed had to change the tyres ( one other guy was there to fuel the car, but did nothing else ). You could opt to not change 1 or 2 of the tyres if you wanted to save time, which was the point I think. though it was hair tearing stuff watching this guy slow-walk his way through the pit stop duties. I reckon the game designers had a good sense of humor back then.

Moving on, Evan and I did a testing session on the new SSX track. Visually awesome, but impractical as a race track. Could be used for some odd drafting race perhaps. Driving the Redbull cars was interesting we were getting force feedback wheel shudder like crazy.

Oh and side note - I'm working Monday night so can't make the race.

 

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Anyway, I was having a bit of whinge about the $6.95 charge but that's more to do with the principal of us paying basically double what our American friends are, rather than X being a fail (it does look stunning doesn’t it). I'm happy to keep tipping money PD's way so they can keep the Dev going. I hope there’s a plan to unlock the mysterious interior. That would be epic.

Totally agreed there mate , we seem to get reamed on price every time , then with this round of DLC we paid more than the jacked up advertised price as well !

Moving on, Evan and I did a testing session on the new SSX track. Visually awesome, but impractical as a race track. Could be used for some odd drafting race perhaps. Driving the Redbull cars was interesting we were getting force feedback wheel shudder like crazy.

Glad it wasn't just me then , I could hardly control the thing around the corners. I thought I must have had a shocking setup going !

 

[Mic_Col]

Okay, things change.

I can make Monday's race. Got to get some practice in.

 

[jasr73]

Soooo bored out of my brain at my sisters dinner come birthday party AND forced to hang around forrrever while rely's yack on about this and that, people fall asleep in chairs and whatnot. Lucky I had the PC to kill time...couldn't let our logo making American friends effort from last week go unanswered...
(please feel sorry for me for having this much time on my hands )

 

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Stunning Jas ! Take that American guy !!

 

[GTevan1080]

That's absolutely brilliant Jas 👍👍👍

Should be a good race Monday night. Cote d azur is a very non forgiving track. Last time we raced here Oni was very specific about the chicane on the back section of the track. You had to keep the right hand wheels on or left of the ripple strip. This is a hard line to adjust to if you are use to braking late and you let the ripple strip pass under the car.

Thought I'd throw that out there for the guys.
Please correct me if I'm wrong Oni.

Evan

 

[mrtaital]

I'll be in contact with Oni and Jasr about the chicane first thing Monday morning

 

[Oniichan]

That's absolutely brilliant Jas 👍👍👍

Should be a good race Monday night. Cote d azur is a very non forgiving track. Last time we raced here Oni was very specific about the chicane on the back section of the track. You had to keep the right hand wheels on or left of the ripple strip. This is a hard line to adjust to if you are use to braking late and you let the ripple strip pass under the car.

Thought I'd throw that out there for the guys.
Please correct me if I'm wrong Oni.

Evan

Your spot on with the rule there Evan.

 

[mrtaital]

Consider it clarified.

 

[PAWEL17]

Damn, i thought jumping in the race at the last minute like last week would help. But nothing. Ah well.
And i was looking forward to rading on monaco.

 

[mrtaital]

Needless to say it was a good race last night for myself but in saying that it wasn't an easy race, for about half of the race I had damage to my left rear which as some of you know, being on a controller with damage that steers for you is mighty hard to drive with, add in the concrete jungle that is Monaco it was quite challenging.

Credit to Jol he was unstoppable all race, a 1 stop strategy hurt his tyres at the end.

Jasr and his Internet aren't speaking at the moment after last night.

Oni it was fun racing with you, we never really drove close but always insight of each other.

Looking forward to Rome next week, up until this series it gave me my best results with two 4ths, I feel for the hybrids at this track as its 90% throttle

 

[jol_1]

Yea it was a good race for me to. Thanks to oni for letting me through on the first lap, it's those sort of things that make this series such a good and fare competition.

Yea maybe one stop was not the best idea but i had a go anyway, it was my first long race with the new tire wears and i thought it would work out in the end. My problem was i thought the pit stops would be about 30 sec but they turned out to be more like 20 sec otherwise i think i would have pulled it of.

Well done to Taital and oni, in thoes last few laps Taital came up behind me so fast flashing nipples and tooting horns and there was nothing i could do to stop him.

On another note, im not sure if you have all seen this but there is a very good guide to put your playstation in a DMZ. I did this the other day and so far have not had any problems. Maybe you can try this Pawel if you have not already cos i think it really helps. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/610541

 

[ashbrownie]

Good racing last night guys but it just wasn't my night lol bring on Rome I should have a good race there as I enjoy Rome

 

[mrtaital]

So ahead of tomorrow nights sprint races at Rome, if anyone has done some practice laps what times are you doing?

Remember we start on your choice of tyre (race medium or race hard) but we qualify on mediums.

In a few laps I did today I managed 1:16.6 on hards, 1:15.435 on mediums

 

[Oniichan]

So ahead of tomorrow nights sprint races at Rome, if anyone has done some practice laps what times are you doing?

Remember we start on race hards aswell as qualify on them.

In a few laps I did today I managed 1:16.6

We start and qualify on Racing Mediums not hards. Its a sprint race.

In my text to you i was saying that drivers have the option to either do the whole race from start to finish on mediums or hards its there choice. Just with sprint races you can start on Mediums if you choose.

In the MX-5 15 laps on mediums isn't that bad but with a CR-Z around tight Rome on mediums for 15 laps could put you into a wall late in the race if your pushing from start to finish. As everyone knows already the CR-Z is shocking on tyre wear.

 

[mrtaital]

We start and qualify on Racing Mediums not hards. Its a sprint race.

In my text to you i was saying that drivers have the option to either do the whole race from start to finish on mediums or hards its there choice. Just with sprint races you can start on Mediums if you choose.

In the MX-5 15 laps on mediums isn't that bad but with a CR-Z around tight Rome on mediums for 15 laps could put you into a wall late in the race if your pushing from start to finish. As everyone knows already the CR-Z is shocking on tyre wear.

Yeah apologies mate i couldn't edit it from my phone - has now been fixed

 

[mrtaital]

Hey Guys, as we only have a few rounds left we are starting to decide what is the most favoured option for our next series, keep in mind we still have the GT500-GT300 series if we want to use that.

Options we have come up with.

Arrive and Drive #1: The choice of 1 car across all drivers - it would be no tuning allowed in either a RM or a dealer purchased TC car (to be confirmed)

Arrive and Drive #2: Setting a PP or Power limit with no tuning

Arrive and Drive #3: A recommended car therefor no tuning

Summary for Arrive and Drive. The reason people have an arrive and drive package is the driver just sits in the car and races it as it is, therefor no tuning.

Second option.

Proper Racing: The choice of one car, setting a PP limit to allow for tuning, keeping in mind we all want the same engine package - possible addition of choice of tyres with a mandatory hard and medium compound like F1

I believe the only way to move forward is to let the participants select what they want to race instead of being told what to race, i do believe the Tier system works as it gives the mid pack drivers a better chance to win (proven this series) but at the same time I think the CR-Z is challenging the tier 1 drivers for tyre selection and maintanence.

My personal vision for the future is to keep the Tier system, the current system has proven to work but the Tier 1 drivers appear to be unhappy about the car, even if we go backwards and have tyre tiers but that now will not work since the tyre wear update. The perfect scenario is a honesty basis, all the same car and limits but a weight ballast is added to successful drivers to even the field out. It was done on the Mini series here in Australia the championship winner had 150kg extra weight and still won the races.

 

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Personally I'm happy with any of the options above except for recommended cars. If I still had to single out a preference I'd vote for Proper racing (option 2) I'd be quite happy to do the 300 / 500 series or to use one of the TCs.

 

[waynz]

i do believe the Tier system works as it gives the mid pack drivers a better chance to win (proven this series) but at the same time I think the CR-Z is challenging the tier 1 drivers for tyre selection and maintanence.

Race the CR-Z and still see if you think that way. Try putting a setup together where the car looses 20hp when the battery runs out.

Why did the ISF comp work? Because everyone was in the same car and it came down to tuning, we had close battles everywhere. Your theory or "Arrive and Drive" is nonsense with the no-tune and handicap. Sorry to bash you like this n!pple but I'm only giving you my honest opinion. What was wrong with tuning in the first place take that away and your taking away a vital element in racing.

 

[mrtaital]

Race the CR-Z and still see if you think that way. Try putting a setup together where the car looses 20hp when the battery runs out.

Why did the ISF comp work? Because everyone was in the same car and it came down to tuning, we had close battles everywhere. Your theory or "Arrive and Drive" is nonsense with the no-tune and handicap. Sorry to bash you like this n!pple but I'm only giving you my honest opinion. What was wrong with tuning in the first place take that away and your taking away a vital element in racing.

Well your all complaining about your car, so take away the option to tune and all run the same car. Despite your complaints about the car stig wins most races he starts

 

[ashbrownie]

Proper racing but you don't need to put a PP limit on the gt-500 cars as I'm in TEAMBANDITS series we have a BHP limit which works very well there's battles all the way down the field

 

[GTevan1080]

Would finding two similar cars ( say a mx5 and s2000 both rear wheel drive ) with maybe 10 or 20 performance point difference when fully tuned work. It would take a bit of research but Oni's on the right track with the current series.

I'll race regardless but I really like to be able to tune

Evan

 

[mrtaital]

If you all remember I always had problems with the gt500, isf-rm, s15 rm. I don't know how to tune and quite often would be at the end of the field yet I never once complained not even half as much as stig does every race and week. For once I'm in a car that I can compete with the top guys and yes I've found more speed but I'm still not tier 1.

I like how ONI runs his series as he tries to make it as even as possible, otherwise it'd be the same podium every week depending on damage. So I disagree that the system doesn't work and up until now I have been the person struggling to get in the top half of the field so instead of blaming the car, take in a deep breath and realise not every car and race will be a good one

 

[mrtaital]

Would finding two similar cars ( say a mx5 and s2000 both rear wheel drive ) with maybe 10 or 20 performance point difference when fully tuned work. It would take a bit of research but Oni's on the right track with the current series.

I'll race regardless but I really like to be able to tune

Evan

The only reason we put no tune is because people have the mentality of arriving at a circuit and driving to a podium finish with no testing or plan for a race strategy. So if they don't like working their way into a cars guts and solving some issues, take away the option

 

[waynz]

If you all remember I always had problems with the gt500, isf-rm, s15 rm. I don't know how to tune and quite often would be at the end of the field yet I never once complained not even half as much as stig does every race and week.

Are you tailoring a championship around your needs? And Stig is only having a problem with the tier system, with the two cars being so different in performance & the fact tier 2 drivers can choose and not get chosen.. You know he's banned here take it to G+.

Well your all complaining about your car, so take away the option to tune and all run the same car. Despite your complaints about the car stig wins most races he starts

If that's a direct attack on my performance then you can forget about a team mate for this series.

You all know the car doesn't suit my driving, despite this I still rock up week after week and compete. So if your calling me **** on those grounds I'll wait until next series. I just thought my loyalty meant something but it clearly doesn't.

 

[Oniichan]

Are you tailoring a championship around your needs? And Stig is only having a problem with the tier system, with the two cars being so different in performance & the fact tier 2 drivers can choose and not get chosen.. You know he's banned here take it to G+.

If that's a direct attack on my performance then you can forget about a team mate for this series.

You all know the car doesn't suit my driving, despite this I still rock up week after week and compete. So if your calling me **** on those grounds I'll wait until next series. I just thought my loyalty meant something but it clearly doesn't.

Your reading to much into things mate. I doubt he has any problem with your performances. Your a solid racer that turns up and races every night regardless of where you finish.

Taital merely offered a few suggestions at where to take the next series. Nothing was set in stone and just wanted opinions from the drivers in the series to get a brain storming session going.

As i tailor my series around the drivers and not a single driver i allow for people to offer suggestions. Complaining does absolutely nothing but isolate the complainer from the group.

If there is a problem with a feature in the series its best to offer a suggestion/alternative in order to improve said problem. If 1 driver has a problem with 1 aspect then its not enough to change it. However if more drivers have a problem then the matter gets looked into. I however will not look into any problem without an offered suggestion. Just saying "It doesn't work" imo is a waste of my time and shows utter disrespect to myself and those involved. You don't go up to your boss at work and say "hey this isn't working for me so change it" as if you did more then likely you will be looking for a new job. Offering a suggestion to improve something will always get listened to.

Now i no longer have time to play GT5 so i am more inclined to have a no tuning series as i have no time to test anymore. However forcing everyone to do this would be inconsiderate to the drivers in the series. Hence I will race anything that the drivers decide and why Taital has put up suggestions for everyone to find what everyone's preference is. I don't care if i come first or last as i no longer have time to put the effort in. I enjoy the racing and will be happy no matter where i finish.

See now i only get 10 minutes before every race to put practice in and you can't call it practice when people are joining and asking me questions. However i don't complain and even let faster drivers around and try stay out of the way of people who have put in the time and effort for that race. While i still want to fight and pull off a great result i always ensure i wont ruin somebodies race due to my lack of practice.

 

[willco69]

Hey gents, great racing last night. Was weird hooking up the chair after so long.
I was lucky enough to be part of great battles in both races.
With regards to nipple's suggestions, im happy with option 1 or 2, and hopefully in a GT300 car.
I too, as One-eye mentioned, am pressed for time. As you all saw, I missed the previous 2 race nights (by hours, not minutes), and only just made last nights race by 5 mins. I have ZERO time for testing, practice or even qualy. BUT, I would not say 'recommended list' as 1- I dislike them and 2- its not fair on those who DO have time (taital) to test n play n tune etc etc.
At the end of the day, The Chan-man has the final word, the stewards obviously suggest things and so do the rest of the drivers. At least the chan-man-slayer-dude asks drivers for their ideas / input. Im sure most host's do not.
Cheers, Willyco..

 

[Mic_Col]

I know I'm not a series regular as I'm working a lot of nights (will continue that way for the foreseeable future).

My choice would be to allow tuning (mostly susp setup - which is what I figure you mean). Set a PP limit so that the cars are keep from being overpowered. The last few series I've got the car to a setup that is good to drive and then just kept it like that - I don't feel a need to tailor make a setup for each track (other than gearing)

An idea I like that was mentioned above, use ballast as a way to bring parity across the field.

We can check / ensure the guys carrying extra ballast are legit by having them set their race car to share with friends mode. Yes they could get around this by owning 2 of the same car and having a 'share' one and a 'race' one. But not if the series cars are from say from DLC pack 1 which gives you only one of each car.

There's probably ways around that (I realise things as I type) like buying the DLC again - which would mean spending more irl money. Or having a friend trade you the same one.

Still there should be a way to check people are legit. A one lap race around SS-X and watch the replay back to monitor guys acceleration, which should shows differences. perhaps?

 

[mrtaital]

Since the 2.0 update providing you buy the appropriate DLC you can buy the car from the dealership