Patch Release Notes and Discussion Thread

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I doubt they were trying to make it more realistic as that's the exact opposite of what they've done. If lap times were the problem they could of reduced the max G the tires could pull.

Yes, that's true. I'm sure the aim is to make things more realistic though. Maybe temperature changes will be adjusted for GT3 cars in time. The idea in principle is right though. I thought the old model wasn't dynamic enough. Ever since I got the game I've thought it's quite easy to overdrive the car when that sort of driving in real life would knacker the tyres. I think SMS are heading along the right lines.
 
Yes, that's true. I'm sure the aim is to make things more realistic though. Maybe temperature changes will be adjusted for GT3 cars in time. The idea in principle is right though. I thought the old model wasn't dynamic enough. Ever since I got the game I've thought it's quite easy to overdrive the car when that sort of driving in real life would knacker the tyres. I think SMS are heading along the right lines.

Yes i think we all agree with that, but GT3 tyres are still heating to quick over just a few laps there endurance cars. @ozwheels put a clear vid up showing the problem did you see it?
 
Yes i think we all agree with that, but GT3 tyres are still heating to quick over just a few laps there endurance cars. @ozwheels put a clear vid up showing the problem did you see it?
We saw that i was wondering if it was the same after he fixed his camber, for example and if he change the steering ratio since there are many reports that is is one of the issues that brings excessive heating to just some drivers.
 
We saw that i was wondering if it was the same after he fixed his camber, for example and if he change the steering ratio since there are many reports that is is one of the issues that brings excessive heating to just some drivers.

I run low camber like 1.4 on the front and have the same outcome, steering lock, tuning, driving style is not the problem.
 
I run low camber like 1.4 on the front and have the same outcome, steering lock, tuning, driving style is not the problem.
Steering ratio and driving style CAN be a problem.

All report this, so get a bit more down to the earth.
 
Steering ratio and driving style CAN be a problem.

All report this, so get a bit more down to the earth.

It's not the problem with the people I know, could be a problem with people who don't run smoothly or don't know how to tune. :D

Edit I do understand why your not on the same page tho.
 
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The more i train the more i'm sure that it's ok and normal... Run Online at BRNO, Watkins Glen, no problems with softs in the sun of june for 30 mins. Must be the way i setup car...

BTW lobbies are a lot cleaner now i had 3 races with no massive pileups on first corners! Maybe rammers are gone after this update LOL

Azid would you mind posting a tune for a car you're using at Brno and Watkins Glen where you're finding it's working well? That would really help me to see how I can improve what I've got. What lap times are you running while racing at Brno? Fastest lap and average laptime. Cheers.

Yes i think we all agree with that, but GT3 tyres are still heating to quick over just a few laps there endurance cars. @ozwheels put a clear vid up showing the problem did you see it?

Yes I did see it and there's clearly something up but there are lots of other videos from other players that show things working fairly correctly. They're not all party propaganda films are they? ;)

@ozwheels did you have a tune for that car? I'm just interested to try it and compare as I haven't driven it since the update. Cheers.
 
Well there is a Laurent who now has a PS4,he was probably the best tuner in GT5/GT6. Unfortunately he left this sight. His thoughts are its better,as I now see he's moving up the leader boards,I'll take his perspective. I'll post his quote later.
 
Steering ratio and driving style CAN be a problem.

All report this, so get a bit more down to the earth.
How is steering ratio the problem?
Azid would you mind posting a tune for a car you're using at Brno and Watkins Glen where you're finding it's working well? That would really help me to see how I can improve what I've got. What lap times are you running while racing at Brno? Fastest lap and average laptime. Cheers.



Yes I did see it and there's clearly something up but there are lots of other videos from other players that show things working fairly correctly. They're not all party propaganda films are they? ;)

@ozwheels did you have a tune for that car? I'm just interested to try it and compare as I haven't driven it since the update. Cheers.
If your talking about the Z4 my tune is at bottom of my video post. Just put front camber to 1.5.

Edit: If you like I can make a video showing the tires working fine as well, it's really easy. That's why I ask for everyone's lap times when they post a comment here about tires.
Well there is a Laurent who now has a PS4,he was probably the best tuner in GT5/GT6. Unfortunately he left this sight. His thoughts are its better,as I now see he's moving up the leader boards,I'll take his perspective. I'll post his quote later.
:lol: Does that somehow make his opinion more valuable than the rest?
 
If your talking about the Z4 my tune is at bottom of my video post. Just put front camber to 1.5.

Edit: If you like I can make a video showing the tires working fine as well, it's really easy. That's why I ask for everyone's lap times when they post a comment here about tires.

Thanks. I'll give it a go but it won't be before next week unless I can shift my wife/kids from the telly.
 
How is steering ratio the problem?

If your talking about the Z4 my tune is at bottom of my video post. Just put front camber to 1.5.

Edit: If you like I can make a video showing the tires working fine as well, it's really easy. That's why I ask for everyone's lap times when they post a comment here about tires.

:lol: Does that somehow make his opinion more valuable than the rest?
Yes I would take his opinion more than some others.
 
How is steering ratio the problem?

If your talking about the Z4 my tune is at bottom of my video post. Just put front camber to 1.5.

Edit: If you like I can make a video showing the tires working fine as well, it's really easy. That's why I ask for everyone's lap times when they post a comment here about tires.

:lol: Does that somehow make his opinion more valuable than the rest?

I think Azidahaka trying to say that low steering ratio gives much quicker lock to lock, and with how aggressive aliens are, the responsive steering might increase the scrubbing tendency ( too much angle ) when racing. Personally, IMO steering ratio is driver specific, almost like FFB settings, so I doubt it will be an issue, as there's no absolute correct value.

Best tuner ? No camber tune, glitch tune :lol: in Pcars ?
 
I think Azidahaka trying to say that low steering ratio gives much quicker lock to lock, and with how aggressive aliens are, the responsive steering might increase the scrubbing tendency ( too much angle ) when racing. Personally, IMO steering ratio is driver specific, almost like FFB settings, so I doubt it will be an issue, as there's no absolute correct value.

Best tuner ? No camber tune, glitch tune :lol: in Pcars ?
Oh sorry he doesn't do replicas. Didn't he get the same accolades you did from GT Planet? People in glass house's shouldn't throw stones. Yes he has a PS4 and the game.:lol:
 
Does that somehow make his opinion more valuable than the rest?
Nope. But it does show that it's not a clear-cut case, unlike the camber issue (where literally nobody was able to run faster with more camber as opposed to zero camber). I've said it a few times before: there are very knowledgeable people on both sides of the spectrum. And the proponents include people that reported/pushed SMS for the camber issue, so it's definitely not just 'blind followers' or 'shills' or whatever. You can be sure that if there turns out to be an issue, you'll have those people on your side as well. They have been known to lay it down to SMS in the past. :) I know I would, but I would need more to go on...
 
Oh sorry he doesn't do replicas. Don't mince my words,I said one of the best tuners! Read my post again. Didn't he get the same accolades you did from GT Planet? People in glass house's shouldn't throw stones. Yes he has a PS4 and the game.:lol:

I have no respect for him, not anymore. He left GTP like that. One of the best tuner ? There's no best tuner on GTP IMO, just like there's no best driver.
 
Nope. But it does show that it's not a clear-cut case, unlike the camber issue (where literally nobody was able to run faster with more camber as opposed to zero camber). I've said it a few times before: there are very knowledgeable people on both sides of the spectrum. And the proponents include people that reported/pushed SMS for the camber issue, so it's definitely not just 'blind followers' or 'shills' or whatever. You can be sure that if there turns out to be an issue, you'll have those people on your side as well. They have been known to lay it down to SMS in the past. :) I know I would, but I would need more to go on...
What are these knowledgable people on the other side saying to defend the new tires? More importantly are they all on PC? It is being brought up more and more now that the PC has different tire temps after 6.0.
 
I have no respect for him, not anymore. He left GTP like that. One of the best tuner ? There's no best tuner on GTP IMO, just like there's no best driver.
Sorry should have worded it better,one of the best tuners is what I meant to say. Having no respect is your opinion! Anyway going to go play PCars,have a nice day.:D
 
What are these knowledgable people on the other side saying to defend the new tires?
bmanic, Jussi, Tiago for instance. All very critical about physics and FFB in the past and they helped nail the camber issue. :) And some peeps in here as well, you know the names.

More importantly are they all on PC? It is being brought up more and more now that the PC has different tire temps after 6.0.
I think most of them are. And the whole console vs PC patch thing has been brought up a couple of times (both here and on the official forums), definitely something to look at. On PC, it's usually just a matter of verifying your files, on console I guess it means a reinstall?
 
Sorry should have worded it better,one of the best tuners is what I meant to say. Having no respect is your opinion! Anyway going to go play PCars,have a nice day.:D

You too :) I'm playing LFS right now :D

Regarding the tire heat, I think the best approach is to tackle the controller user first, put a steering assistance as option ( which help to limit the amount of angle to reduce scrubbing ) This would greatly help those who needs smoother input or have aggressive style.
 
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You too :) I'm playing LFS right now :D

Regarding the tire heat, I think the best approach is to tackle the controller user first, put a steering assistance as option ( which help to limit the amount of angle to reduce scrubbing ) This would greatly help those who needs smoother input or have aggressive style.
Can't wait to play all the old PS2 games on my PS4,got a ton of old games, PCars for awhile some Tourist Trophy,digging through my old games now,big box of them! I'm on a 300 wheel,yes I'm sure it's input that now overheats tires. It's no different than when GT5/GT6 made changes,adapt and move on.
 
bmanic, Jussi, Tiago for instance. All very critical about physics and FFB in the past and they helped nail the camber issue. :) And some peeps in here as well, you know the names.

I think most of them are. And the whole console vs PC patch thing has been brought up a couple of times (both here and on the official forums), definitely something to look at. On PC, it's usually just a matter of verifying your files, on console I guess it means a reinstall?
Yes I know Jussi and his calculator is great. If he is saying there are no heat problems and there are people here saying there is heat problems on ps4, then I'd say that's what SMS should look at if they care at all. One guy on the official forums owns PC and x1 and he also said temps were much higher on console.
 
For what it's worth I'm on PS4, tried doing a fresh install to see if it would make a difference, it didn't. When it comes to tuning I haven't a clue & my driving style would see me getting lapped by Captain Slow so my opinion may not hold much weight, but I think the tyres on GT3 cars heat up too quickly.
 
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Can't wait to play all the old PS2 games on my PS4,got a ton of old games, PCars for awhile some Tourist Trophy,digging through my old games now,big box of them! I'm on a 300 wheel,yes I'm sure it's input that now overheats tires. It's no different than when GT5/GT6 made changes,adapt and move on.

I still have PS2 console :) Still play it from time to time when I'm free.
Here's what I would guess Laurent style of tune in Pcars :
Close to open diff settings with no preload ( old habit from GT -easier to drive, probably will use 10% or less lock on either drive/coast ), very low steering ratio if he's on DS4 ( he likes easy to drive while still sharp handling ) and most likely will resort to high bump stop value hoping to make the car more compliant-prevent bottom out on high downforce setup, and lastly, the front low rear high ride height + high rear ARB to compensate the high aero or understeer. Maybe he will also run lower camber or if he knows camber is broken, run zero camber with lots of front toe out and little rear toe in, caster will also likely set at very high even on zero camber :) With all that, it's highly likely Laurent will tend to use much lower tire pressure, especially on race cars, maybe about 1.5 Bar or less in order to gain more mechanical grip on low speed corners. ARB will likely follows high front / low-medium rear to keep the car steady.

Some of these approach won't work in real, but hey, it's just a game ;) Some of these may also contribute to higher heat on the tire, so be ready to be smooth and break earlier/no late braking.
 
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For what it's worth I'm on PS4, tried doing a fresh install to see if it would make a difference, it didn't. When it comes to tuning I haven't a clue & my driving style would see me getting lapped by Captain Slow so my opinion may not hold much weight, but I think the tyres on GT3 cars heat up too quickly.
I'm a casual gamer and I have to agree. Resumed my pCARS career after FIFA 16 binge. Round 2 of GT3 Euro Championship in the McLaren, and the tires heated up very quickly in Practice 1 session. Definitely faster than Round 1, which was completed with patch 5.0. Tires in invitational events (non GT3) were handling differently after 6.0 but not heating up as quickly as GT3.
 
PS4, update 6.0, using DS4 on mode 3 with a modified version of Casey's controller setup: I just posted a 3:22.923 with the TS040 at Le Mans in time trial mode.

Edit: I have found that with camber at minimum the tires don't overheat at all.
 
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PS4, update 6.0, using DS4 on mode 3 with a modified version of Casey's controller setup: I just posted a 3:22.923 with the TS040 at Le Mans in time trial mode.

Edit: I have found that with camber at minimum the tires don't overheat at all.

It's GT3 that has the problem
 
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