PENALTY SYSTEM IS STILL A PIECE OF ****!!!

[Tea_Leaves]

someone spins out but as your in close proximity you hit them them before they go transparent,

I think you're right, there are situations where you don't have a crystal ball ready and won't have split second reaction times to avoid. This is where SR E ghosting is beneficial since it's instantaneous. Ghosting is already used at all SR tiers for cars re-entering the track from off-track excursions, serving penalties and slowing down. So why not for dive-bombers, out of control cars and sideswipers?

Previous games had ghosting systems similar to SR E:




I've noticed sideswiping (also fixed by SR E ghosting) and 'brush' passing (not strong contact but enough to tip a car off course) is often unpunished whereas previous versions of the system did give penalties. So once again, there's an expectation there for people adhering to 'rules' and racing clean.

That being said, I realise heavy use of ghosting can swing racing more into time-trialing but other than shared blame, I don't see another solution. I'm not exactly for the idea since I like racing to be close to real as possible, I'm just throwing it out there.

 

[Timm Sheehan]

I am impressed with your patience and technique when you were passing the others. The last pass to take 3rd, that racer was all over the course but hanging back, being patient, and making the move at the right time - good racing!

 

[Groundfish]

I gotta say, I’ve come full circle again on my viewpoint re starting from the no qual.
I haven’t done it in quite a while, and don’t see myself doing it anytime soon.
It’s just not fair to the players who are just out there driving to get pressured by someone way faster, pestered and rubbed and watching someone fly by.
I can see why they get pissed and ram no quals.
Jmo but qualifying is an important part of racing IF like me you are looking for fair real competition. If I just wanna slalom what are effectively pylons I can play Steep and do snowboarding.
Further, it’s not fun for me to club seals.
The most fun I had racing below my true dr was serving a bit of justice on the dirty players AFTER observing them in race cheating. That was because even if they manage to shove you off you’ll soon be behind them again and can send them off with a bang. Assisting a friend, that was fun.
Starting from the back then grumpily complaining about matchmaking just doesn’t make sense to me.
It’s not racing imo.
I mean if you’re Senna and you enter a field of amateurs there’s no race there.
If you’re great and chess and beat an inexperienced ten year old whose just learning the game that’s not sportsmanship it’s bullying.
If I go karting and overtake ten first timers, that’s nothing more than the wasted time spent getting to the fun part where there’s clean track and pushing my own limits.
For me as someone who qualifies pretty much every race I’m in at 99sr there’s slightly faster slightly slower and people the same speed as myself.
The mornings like before 8 am would be where there’s only a few people to race.
Anytime from 10am to midnight pole positions at 99sr are very hard to get.
I hope they continue with this strict system so the game stays less arcade.

Edit ESPECIALLY STREAMERS. I dunno why people think it’s a show of skill streaming themselves clubbing a bunch of seals.
If you’re some self promoting streamer and you come behind me and make some halfhazard impatient overtake attempt you’ll be streaming from the sand or smashed into a wall.
Overtake me fair fine, happens all the time.
Do it fair no problem.
GO ARCADE GET WRECKED
Plus how many innocent average players get sr down and penalties from halfhazard ‘last to first’ players.
If you ask me it’s almost to a point where all average joes should just agree to ram anyone not qualifying trying to make a mockery of their abilities.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

The reason race B is so poorly matchmaked is that it's a race very few dare to run. With a low player base the problems gets accentuated.

 

[Natalie_GT]

So I've made an alt account to experience what all of you said in regards to Race B this week. I'm not gonna play on it after this shocking experience because... eesh. Absolute eesh.

I did three races, one A, one B, and one C in the day. Starting off from E-B again, I took it upon myself to get a qualifying time for the three races that would put me squarely in the mid field and see how stuff went for me. Because I don't believe that people are as dirty as some of the examples here. Had to see it for myself.

Now, I didn't want to just go out and seal-club people that are just starting the game because... I respect everybody. Since I know I'm quicker, I wanted to be more like a journalist or a camera car, racing but not pulling all the punches. See if people have common sense nowadays. And it was mostly good!

*Race A: I used the new MINI. Most of the field was in the new one too. Turn 1 divebombers went berserk, trying to close the race in the first corner, I got a penalty for getting hit (1 sec), so... not a great start. The agressive drivers, without having a method to their agression, eventually ended up driving themselves off the track and I resumed in 4th. Had a pretty cool battle with 3rd and 2nd (1st was loooong gone), which was of course clumsy as people still need to adapt to racing at the low levels of E and D, but they did their best to keep it clean! And I loved it! Gave me hope! Yes, some door bangin' here and there, but honestly it was pretty good racing!

...then Race B happened.

*Race B: Started in 7th, and everybody except the 1st place guy seemed to like, die little by little. I knew the Nordschleife would be hell on wheels but I didn't think it'd be this bad. Turn 1 claimed 2 people and I was up to 5th, keeping my cool behind a brazilian who was trying to pass an american driver. The battle slowed us down and eventually another american caught up to us...

...and he had 8 seconds worth of penalties.

I should've known, at that point, to simply back out because I'd probably get murdered, but the experiment meant I had to race semi-decently and as cleanly as possible to see how the low ranked drivers race. And when that person got on scene... it all kicked off.

We went into the slow right-left corner that is downhill after the sweeping right hander (I don't know the corner names don't judge ), and the guy behind launches his car onto the corner with no regard. I swerved to the left and dodged but no such luck for the other two, he didn't ghost and took them both out and continued... then got a 2 second penalty, and... slowed down. Yeah. Why? I don't kn- oh it's because he doesn't care.

He slowed down to brake check me (should've seen it coming to be fair), I launched him into the barriers, got a 3 second penalty. The brazilian tried to pass but he pitted the brazilian driver into the right hander, in a move that looked coldly calculated. The brazilian spun, tank slapped and ended in the wall facing the other way while me and the other american remained.

Guy slowed down yet again, edging the american off the track, but he still got past. I went for the move and got a mouthful of his back bumper as he blocked me and I gave him a boost, so he caught back up to the american driver. At the Karrussel, he pushed him wide into the barrier, then with light steering inputs squeezed him, killing all his speed. I went past on the uphill left hander, before getting punted onto the sand at the downhill with the fast right hander (the one that has a jump right on the braking zone). That was the end for me, but I ended up ahead of this really dirty driver. And I feel I just have to put this picture because this is ridiculous.

18.5 seconds of penalties for deliberately waiting for people to ram them into the walls and of the course? I think PD should just hand out disqualifications if you get more than 10 seconds of penalties in a single race, cumulative of course. Seriously, it was shocking. He went down to E-E after the race and was shouting profanities in the chat and berating other people saying they were dirty.

I asked him why he races like this in the chat and he just said "nah i just love pwning noobs".

...why do I live in the same planet as this peewon? Why are people able to make another account and just ruin people's days without consequence?

Anyway, after that crapfest, I was also at SR D. Which meant...

*Race C: same guy was in my race C. In a 650S, starting from the back of the pack.

The race was pretty good, until he came into contention. Actually, a repeat of the first race; yes, people get penalties. Some deserved and some undeserved (I was subject to many of these ) but it's because they're learning to race properly and need time. The only bad racer I found who was purposefully trying to ruin people's days was... the guy we met in Race B. Yeaaaaah.

So he was setting 1:39's even in the latter part of the race. He caught up to me in about 5 laps, and I just chose to let him go because there was no reason to fight him. He went on to win the race... because it was obvious that he's a fast guy with no regard for anyone else. And I hate this.

Watched the replay to see what happened at the front and wasn't surprised. He caught up to the leader, leader defended his position as best he could (actually had good racecraft for a D-B driver), but the rammer just barged his way past and into the lead and escaped with the undeserved victory.

In the chat he dropped another gem: "let me pass I am faster than you, dont defend from faster people thats not how racing works"

...I just headed off and to bed inmediately after that. I deleted my alt account off of my PS4 and I hope to never see that person ever again in my life, nor do I wish to go down to that cesspit of drivers. I see some people who are just stuck down there and to those who are... my sincerest condolences.

So I learnt that in the lower ranks, not everyone is a bad person. Most people like the good racing that comes from Sport's matchmaking but are pretty clumsy when going wheel to wheel which results in a lot of ghosting, SR downs, penalties, etc. But they also have to deal with seal clubbers (I hate that term) who are bored and go there to ruin people's days or to just win it all, probably in frustration from not being competitive enough on their main. And it's sad that people like this get away with it because PD doesn't care.

Hopefully this gets solved in GT7 but I wouldn't get my hopes up too much...

 

[Sven Jurgens]

So I've made an alt account to experience what all of you said in regards to Race B this week. I'm not gonna play on it after this shocking experience because... eesh. Absolute eesh.

I did three races, one A, one B, and one C in the day. Starting off from E-B again, I took it upon myself to get a qualifying time for the three races that would put me squarely in the mid field and see how stuff went for me. Because I don't believe that people are as dirty as some of the examples here. Had to see it for myself.

Now, I didn't want to just go out and seal-club people that are just starting the game because... I respect everybody. Since I know I'm quicker, I wanted to be more like a journalist or a camera car, racing but not pulling all the punches. See if people have common sense nowadays. And it was mostly good!

*Race A: I used the new MINI. Most of the field was in the new one too. Turn 1 divebombers went berserk, trying to close the race in the first corner, I got a penalty for getting hit (1 sec), so... not a great start. The agressive drivers, without having a method to their agression, eventually ended up driving themselves off the track and I resumed in 4th. Had a pretty cool battle with 3rd and 2nd (1st was loooong gone), which was of course clumsy as people still need to adapt to racing at the low levels of E and D, but they did their best to keep it clean! And I loved it! Gave me hope! Yes, some door bangin' here and there, but honestly it was pretty good racing!

...then Race B happened.

*Race B: Started in 7th, and everybody except the 1st place guy seemed to like, die little by little. I knew the Nordschleife would be hell on wheels but I didn't think it'd be this bad. Turn 1 claimed 2 people and I was up to 5th, keeping my cool behind a brazilian who was trying to pass an american driver. The battle slowed us down and eventually another american caught up to us...

...and he had 8 seconds worth of penalties.

I should've known, at that point, to simply back out because I'd probably get murdered, but the experiment meant I had to race semi-decently and as cleanly as possible to see how the low ranked drivers race. And when that person got on scene... it all kicked off.

We went into the slow right-left corner that is downhill after the sweeping right hander (I don't know the corner names don't judge ), and the guy behind launches his car onto the corner with no regard. I swerved to the left and dodged but no such luck for the other two, he didn't ghost and took them both out and continued... then got a 2 second penalty, and... slowed down. Yeah. Why? I don't kn- oh it's because he doesn't care.

He slowed down to brake check me (should've seen it coming to be fair), I launched him into the barriers, got a 3 second penalty. The brazilian tried to pass but he pitted the brazilian driver into the right hander, in a move that looked coldly calculated. The brazilian spun, tank slapped and ended in the wall facing the other way while me and the other american remained.

Guy slowed down yet again, edging the american off the track, but he still got past. I went for the move and got a mouthful of his back bumper as he blocked me and I gave him a boost, so he caught back up to the american driver. At the Karrussel, he pushed him wide into the barrier, then with light steering inputs squeezed him, killing all his speed. I went past on the uphill left hander, before getting punted onto the sand at the downhill with the fast right hander (the one that has a jump right on the braking zone). That was the end for me, but I ended up ahead of this really dirty driver. And I feel I just have to put this picture because this is ridiculous.

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18.5 seconds of penalties for deliberately waiting for people to ram them into the walls and of the course? I think PD should just hand out disqualifications if you get more than 10 seconds of penalties in a single race, cumulative of course. Seriously, it was shocking. He went down to E-E after the race and was shouting profanities in the chat and berating other people saying they were dirty.

I asked him why he races like this in the chat and he just said "nah i just love pwning noobs".

...why do I live in the same planet as this peewon? Why are people able to make another account and just ruin people's days without consequence?

Anyway, after that crapfest, I was also at SR D. Which meant...

*Race C: same guy was in my race C. In a 650S, starting from the back of the pack.

The race was pretty good, until he came into contention. Actually, a repeat of the first race; yes, people get penalties. Some deserved and some undeserved (I was subject to many of these ) but it's because they're learning to race properly and need time. The only bad racer I found who was purposefully trying to ruin people's days was... the guy we met in Race B. Yeaaaaah.

So he was setting 1:39's even in the latter part of the race. He caught up to me in about 5 laps, and I just chose to let him go because there was no reason to fight him. He went on to win the race... because it was obvious that he's a fast guy with no regard for anyone else. And I hate this.

Watched the replay to see what happened at the front and wasn't surprised. He caught up to the leader, leader defended his position as best he could (actually had good racecraft for a D-B driver), but the rammer just barged his way past and into the lead and escaped with the undeserved victory.

In the chat he dropped another gem: "let me pass I am faster than you, dont defend from faster people thats not how racing works"

...I just headed off and to bed inmediately after that. I deleted my alt account off of my PS4 and I hope to never see that person ever again in my life, nor do I wish to go down to that cesspit of drivers. I see some people who are just stuck down there and to those who are... my sincerest condolences.

So I learnt that in the lower ranks, not everyone is a bad person. Most people like the good racing that comes from Sport's matchmaking but are pretty clumsy when going wheel to wheel which results in a lot of ghosting, SR downs, penalties, etc. But they also have to deal with seal clubbers (I hate that term) who are bored and go there to ruin people's days or to just win it all, probably in frustration from not being competitive enough on their main. And it's sad that people like this get away with it because PD doesn't care.

Hopefully this gets solved in GT7 but I wouldn't get my hopes up too much...

Sorry you had to meet this guy. I met him this afternoon in SR.E where he ended up. He didn't get far but will be featured in my SR.E highlight reel later. He makes alt accounts to 'ram noobs' as he replied to me as well when I asked what he was doing. They are quite the pair.

This game is getting more toxic all the time. Alt accounts are a problem in the lower ranks. Reporting does nothing and the penalty system drags down the innocent along with these toxic drivers.

PD indeed does not care :/

 

[Natalie_GT]

Sorry you had to meet this guy. I met him this afternoon in SR.E where he ended up. He didn't get far but will be featured in my SR.E highlight reel later. He makes alt accounts to 'ram noobs' as he replied to me as well when I asked what he was doing. They are quite the pair.

This game is getting more toxic all the time. Alt accounts are a problem in the lower ranks. Reporting does nothing and the penalty system drags down the innocent along with these toxic drivers.

PD indeed does not care :/

They? He was in that race too, fell back a lot at the start, though. Probably got divebombed by the guy in my photo, wouldn't put it past him. And I'm looking forward to that highlight reel!

 

[O604]

Guy slowed down yet again, edging the american off the track, but he still got past. I went for the move and got a mouthful of his back bumper as he blocked me and I gave him a boost, so he caught back up to the american driver. At the Karrussel, he pushed him wide into the barrier, then with light steering inputs squeezed him, killing all his speed. I went past on the uphill left hander, before getting punted onto the sand at the downhill with the fast right hander (the one that has a jump right on the braking zone). That was the end for me, but I ended up ahead of this really dirty driver. And I feel I just have to put this picture because this is ridiculous.

View attachment 943392

18.5 seconds of penalties for deliberately waiting for people to ram them into the walls and of the course? I think PD should just hand out disqualifications if you get more than 10 seconds of penalties in a single race, cumulative of course. Seriously, it was shocking. He went down to E-E after the race and was shouting profanities in the chat and berating other people saying they were dirty.

I asked him why he races like this in the chat and he just said "nah i just love pwning noobs".

...why do I live in the same planet as this peewon? Why are people able to make another account and just ruin people's days without consequence?

Anyway, after that crapfest, I was also at SR D. Which meant...

*Race C: same guy was in my race C. In a 650S, starting from the back of the pack.

The race was pretty good, until he came into contention. Actually, a repeat of the first race; yes, people get penalties. Some deserved and some undeserved (I was subject to many of these ) but it's because they're learning to race properly and need time. The only bad racer I found who was purposefully trying to ruin people's days was... the guy we met in Race B. Yeaaaaah.

So he was setting 1:39's even in the latter part of the race. He caught up to me in about 5 laps, and I just chose to let him go because there was no reason to fight him. He went on to win the race... because it was obvious that he's a fast guy with no regard for anyone else. And I hate this.

Watched the replay to see what happened at the front and wasn't surprised. He caught up to the leader, leader defended his position as best he could (actually had good racecraft for a D-B driver), but the rammer just barged his way past and into the lead and escaped with the undeserved victory.

In the chat he dropped another gem: "let me pass I am faster than you, dont defend from faster people thats not how racing works"

...I just headed off and to bed inmediately after that. I deleted my alt account off of my PS4 and I hope to never see that person ever again in my life, nor do I wish to go down to that cesspit of drivers. I see some people who are just stuck down there and to those who are... my sincerest condolences.

So I learnt that in the lower ranks, not everyone is a bad person. Most people like the good racing that comes from Sport's matchmaking but are pretty clumsy when going wheel to wheel which results in a lot of ghosting, SR downs, penalties, etc. But they also have to deal with seal clubbers (I hate that term) who are bored and go there to ruin people's days or to just win it all, probably in frustration from not being competitive enough on their main. And it's sad that people like this get away with it because PD doesn't care.

Hopefully this gets solved in GT7 but I wouldn't get my hopes up too much...

That particular driver seems to making many enemies this week. Someone in the Daily Thread had the misfortune too, in a high SR room eralier this week. And just read Sven too.

Ignore the fool. These types don't last long. And they certainly don't improve. They only race tracks and cars they think they are good at. Think of them as easy competition.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

They? He was in that race too, fell back a lot at the start, though. Probably got divebombed by the guy in my photo, wouldn't put it past him. And I'm looking forward to that highlight reel!

Yep that's the one. Here they are together

I've been sort of a lightning rod for these 2 this morning, kept the top half of the room safe anyway
I started as SR.S but laggy connections dragged me to SR.B where I met him again (matchmaking put E and B together) thus to SR.E.

Driving clean is no problem, they can't rattle me anymore. However the penalty system makes sure to keep you down.

Avoid a car, still get 4 sec penalty. Brake, same thing, car behind runs into you and you get a penalty.

It doesn't matter, the Nord is too good to pass up and it's never boring. Just don't expect your ratings to survive.

 

[Natalie_GT]

Yep that's the one. Here they are together

I've been sort of a lightning rod for these 2 this morning, kept the top half of the room safe anyway
I started as SR.S but laggy connections dragged me to SR.B where I met him again (matchmaking put E and B together) thus to SR.E.

Driving clean is no problem, they can't rattle me anymore. However the penalty system makes sure to keep you down.

Avoid a car, still get 4 sec penalty. Brake, same thing, car behind runs into you and you get a penalty.

It doesn't matter, the Nord is too good to pass up and it's never boring. Just don't expect your ratings to survive.

Yeah well, this is why I only run the Nord in lobbies. Can't tank my ratings there because of others!

 

[sturk0167]

Ignore the fool. These types don't last long.

....and if they do, I just might know a vigilante or two that would be tickled to death to have a shot at them.

 

[O604]

....and if they do, I just might know a vigilante or two that would be tickled to death to have a shot at them.

But then who do we blame? 💡

 

[Junkman55]

I think you're right, there are situations where you don't have a crystal ball ready and won't have split second reaction times to avoid. This is where SR E ghosting is beneficial since it's instantaneous. Ghosting is already used at all SR tiers for cars re-entering the track from off-track excursions, serving penalties and slowing down. So why not for dive-bombers, out of control cars and sideswipers?

Previous games had ghosting systems similar to SR E:




I've noticed sideswiping (also fixed by SR E ghosting) and 'brush' passing (not strong contact but enough to tip a car off course) is often unpunished whereas previous versions of the system did give penalties. So once again, there's an expectation there for people adhering to 'rules' and racing clean.

That being said, I realise heavy use of ghosting can swing racing more into time-trialing but other than shared blame, I don't see another solution. I'm not exactly for the idea since I like racing to be close to real as possible, I'm just throwing it out there.

GT5 and GT6 Race how dose that relate to GTS or GT7 . You want clean racing look at racing today not the pass.

 

[Groundfish]

I learnt that in the lower ranks, not everyone is a bad person. Most people like the good racing that comes from Sport's matchmaking but are pretty clumsy when going wheel to wheel which results in a lot of ghosting, SR downs, penalties, etc. But they also have to deal with seal clubbers (I hate that term) who are bored and go there to ruin people's days or to just win it all, probably in frustration from not being competitive enough on their main

These words are very true. I would add one comment that a longtime a a plus s player whose driving could use some cleaning up got nailed by his “tactics” at La Sartre.
His ranking is now down to B B. He’s been racing but seems to be having a hard time recovering. to me that’s as the system should be. Prior to this update he was perpetually s rated so I think it’s better than before.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

One thing I keep seeing over and over in these lower SR lobbies is that there is nearly always one fast qualifier on pole for pole to flag SR farming. I catch them sometimes but usually they just get some 'free' SR back from whatever they did in the higher SR lobbies. (It could also be a good driver who got unfair penalties of course)

This seems to be the main frustration in the lower lobbies, always a rabbit at the front. The SR and penalty system are kinda pointless as long as driving dirty awards people with free victories while raising their SR again. DR resets ruin the competition by putting fast players in with slower players, same with alt accounts. And sadly, often these pole sitters are there for a reason, dirty.

This guy didn't start on pole but was also getting 'free' victories in lower SR earlier. Karma!

Pole is 22 seconds ahead at this point. (But he still got blue SR, I went down again)

Next race, pole 8:21, second place 8:44...

 

[Redneckchef]

Yes it is hard to clean up your SR but there are definitely some real evil players in there. I am actually going to have to look at swearing off racing on my main for the weekend after I run my 2 race Cs to fix my SR.

It will be racing on my alt account in NA. And yes, for all the talk about how bad it is to have an alt, I normally use it to enjoy weeks like this without killing my main. But I also use it to race with friends in different regions. I try to keep both super clean and race the same alm the time. The main problem I would have with alts is lag. I had to quit the other day as I noticed that on lap 4 in a race a I went to 1 bar and the other cars started dancing. Luckily I was in a gap by myself so could just lap out the race before quitting.

Seems some players are making themselves well known this week. I won't go near the Nord, but that is because I really had a hard time with that combo last time and simply am not going to ruin others races like that.

@Sven Jurgens I have been the rabbit a couple of races this week. Also been in a battle with another driver doing the same recovery drive. Was actually funny as we were sort of trying to race, but both ultra paranoid about contact as we tried to recover our SR. It was a social distancing version of close racing.

 

[Natalie_GT]

Seems some players are making themselves well known this week. I won't go near the Nord, but that is because I really had a hard time with that combo last time and simply am not going to ruin others races like that.

Yeah, and for all the wrong reasons . Sven seems to be the protector of Race B, I hereby name you Sir Sven!

And to add on the rabbit thing. When I started Sport mode again on my new account (since I lost the old one), I was also the rabbit, both in qualifying and in race. Felt kinda bad, but I knew it was the best thing to do. Now I'm B-S, teethering on A-S since I'm constantly getting matched with A-class drivers and I can take the fight to them pretty well... at least when I do race in Sport.

I usually get what's known as "ladder anxiety" in games like this; CSGO is another game where that happens for me. Basically, afraid to compete in ladder matchmaking in fear of losing your rankings... I need to overcome it if I want to merge amongst the big names .

At least I don't have to deal with these players 👍!

 

[Junkman55]

In real racing The rookie drivers are always learning from better drivers What make you think online racing is any different. That is why you have a Simple flag system in real racing Not crazy penalty system

One thing I keep seeing over and over in these lower SR lobbies is that there is nearly always one fast qualifier on pole for pole to flag SR farming. I catch them sometimes but usually they just get some 'free' SR back from whatever they did in the higher SR lobbies. (It could also be a good driver who got unfair penalties of course)

This seems to be the main frustration in the lower lobbies, always a rabbit at the front. The SR and penalty system are kinda pointless as long as driving dirty awards people with free victories while raising their SR again. DR resets ruin the competition by putting fast players in with slower players, same with alt accounts. And sadly, often these pole sitters are there for a reason, dirty.

This guy didn't start on pole but was also getting 'free' victories in lower SR earlier. Karma!

Pole is 22 seconds ahead at this point. (But he still got blue SR, I went down again)

Next race, pole 8:21, second place 8:44...

 

[sturk0167]

These words are very true. I would add one comment that a longtime a a plus s player whose driving could use some cleaning up got nailed by his “tactics” at La Sartre.
His ranking is now down to B B. He’s been racing but seems to be having a hard time recovering. to me that’s as the system should be. Prior to this update he was perpetually s rated so I think it’s better than before.

Yup. I've been demoted plenty of times. A lot of the people I meet at the lower levels are not necessarily dirty or have bad intentions, but rather just not able to control their cars very well.

 

[Redneckchef]

Yeah, and for all the wrong reasons . Sven seems to be the protector of Race B, I hereby name you Sir Sven!

And to add on the rabbit thing. When I started Sport mode again on my new account (since I lost the old one), I was also the rabbit, both in qualifying and in race. Felt kinda bad, but I knew it was the best thing to do. Now I'm B-S, teethering on A-S since I'm constantly getting matched with A-class drivers and I can take the fight to them pretty well... at least when I do race in Sport.

I usually get what's known as "ladder anxiety" in games like this; CSGO is another game where that happens for me. Basically, afraid to compete in ladder matchmaking in fear of losing your rankings... I need to overcome it if I want to merge amongst the big names .

At least I don't have to deal with LSP and high- I mean low-literacy 👍!

It is hard, but dont worry about DR as much as that will average out a bit. Before my reset I had gotten up to mid A, but that was false as it had been 3 weeks of combos I am well better than my normal skill on.

And there are plenty of rabbits now with the way the penalty system is judging things. Seen more than a couple of familiar names in the lower SR lobbies trying to build back up. Most of them not reset yet, but who knows.

 

[Groundfish]

Yup. I've been demoted plenty of times. A lot of the people I meet at the lower levels are not necessarily dirty or have bad intentions, but rather just not able to control their cars very well.

Agreed 100 percent that and they tend to lack awareness.
Lol I was actually really happy not to have to face that guy in the FIA. He always seems to be racing when I do and likes tracks I like but part of what I would call the known dirty A S players list.
@Sven Jurgens knows that pain lol. He and I agree there lol. There are certain ones that are sneaky dirty and if you get in a lobby with several of them together midpack it turns into bumper cars
I’d say tho it’s the nature of racing in general that dirty fast drivers exist and are a pain.

Edit @Natalie_GT re fear of losing rank, if you do it right and just race hard and clean the rank ends up where it belongs imo. I might bust out the alt again it’s just been collecting dust since I got my goal done.
I’m pretty sure there’s some folks that want to kill it (me) tho...This weeks combos were just really bad for me...

 

[Tea_Leaves]

GT5 and GT6 Race how dose that relate to GTS or GT7 . You want clean racing look at racing today not the pass.

Since you lack reading comprehension: "Previous games had ghosting systems similar to SR E:" Those were merely examples to show PD had used a similar ghosting algorithm before and not exactly the main point of my post.

Why would it relate to GT7? A game that has yet to be released and one where there's no details whatsoever of its penalty system.

It's also "past" and not "pass".

 

[Sven Jurgens]

In real racing The rookie drivers are always learning from better drivers What make you think online racing is any different. That is why you have a Simple flag system in real racing Not crazy penalty system

What are they learning when the rabbit is 10 sec ahead at Flugplatz out of sight?

They learn more from non qualifiers, seeing where they leave openings to get passed and how they get passed. That's how I learned, watch how people pass me and try to replicate the successful passes. At first I also believed you could only pass on the straights on the Nord, yet plenty fast and clean A+ drivers have shown me the way, usually by starting last and me trying to follow them.

I've had also had awesome battles in lower SR, very clean, great awareness, swapping positions several times on the Nord. Know when to back out is the most important skill to learn, yet most learn that last or never. The good thing about lower SR is tighter matchmaking (more players to choose from) and thus tighter races with more interaction. At 99 SR I usually got timed out before reaching the finish when I still qualified. Daily C was not a question of having a chance at a podium finish, the question was whether I would reach the finish line in time. Nothing to learn when the cars are all separated by 8 to 10 sec by the end.

I don't care about bad penalties anymore, I can easily spot the difference between intentional bad behavior vs still learning to control the car and track. Sometimes its very toxic, other times you meet people of which you wonder how they ended up with low SR. It's never boring vs SR.S where I'm literally racing the same group race after race. When the Nord is on I can do 30 races a day lol. Variety is good!

Here's the most toxic the game can get, highlight reel from 8 races this morning. I didn't save the first one that landed me in SR.B, so it starts from SR.B then straight to SR.E (thanks to matchmaking)

The worst race is the last where a second troll showed up, @Natalie_GT met him as well.
Last race starts at 21:46 which shouldn't be called a race at all.

With the current penalty system there is no escaping these kind of individuals. Doesn't matter, good test of the penalty system, good exercise to see where brake check penalties trigger and where not as well as ghosting. Plus they did not get their way, winning by ramming everyone out of the way. In most of the races the top half got to escape SR.E hell

 

[Natalie_GT]

What are they learning when the rabbit is 10 sec ahead at Flugplatz out of sight?

They learn more from non qualifiers, seeing where they leave openings to get passed and how they get passed. That's how I learned, watch how people pass me and try to replicate the successful passes. At first I also believed you could only pass on the straights on the Nord, yet plenty fast and clean A+ drivers have shown me the way, usually by starting last and me trying to follow them.

I've had also had awesome battles in lower SR, very clean, great awareness, swapping positions several times on the Nord. Know when to back out is the most important skill to learn, yet most learn that last or never. The good thing about lower SR is tighter matchmaking (more players to choose from) and thus tighter races with more interaction. At 99 SR I usually got timed out before reaching the finish when I still qualified. Daily C was not a question of having a chance at a podium finish, the question was whether I would reach the finish line in time. Nothing to learn when the cars are all separated by 8 to 10 sec by the end.

I don't care about bad penalties anymore, I can easily spot the difference between intentional bad behavior vs still learning to control the car and track. Sometimes its very toxic, other times you meet people of which you wonder how they ended up with low SR. It's never boring vs SR.S where I'm literally racing the same group race after race. When the Nord is on I can do 30 races a day lol. Variety is good!

Here's the most toxic the game can get, highlight reel from 8 races this morning. I didn't save the first one that landed me in SR.B, so it starts from SR.B then straight to SR.E (thanks to matchmaking)

The worst race is the last where a second troll showed up, @Natalie_GT met him as well.
Last race starts at 21:46 which shouldn't be called a race at all.

With the current penalty system there is no escaping these kind of individuals. Doesn't matter, good test of the penalty system, good exercise to see where brake check penalties trigger and where not as well as ghosting. Plus they did not get their way, winning by ramming everyone out of the way. In most of the races the top half got to escape SR.E hell

Man they're despicable. At least the other one got spun out and never returned (around min 25:40), unless you met him again. I actually saw him in a lobby today, still playing bumper cars with everybody. It's not exactly good but at least it's just in lobbies, I guess...

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Man they're despicable. At least the other one got spun out and never returned (around min 25:40), unless you met him again. I actually saw him in a lobby today, still playing bumper cars with everybody. It's not exactly good but at least it's just in lobbies, I guess...

He was in my next race as well, creating havoc, then he went to the lobbies I guess. Maybe the penalty zone does work for him, no fun when you have to wait for 15 seconds while everyone passes. The other simply treats it as the finish line... Nord needs a penalty zone on each straight to discourage this nonsense. I'm not a fan of penalty zones yet it obviously doesn't work like it is now.

 

[Fennario]

What are they learning when the rabbit is 10 sec ahead at Flugplatz out of sight?

They learn more from non qualifiers, seeing where they leave openings to get passed and how they get passed. That's how I learned, watch how people pass me and try to replicate the successful passes. At first I also believed you could only pass on the straights on the Nord, yet plenty fast and clean A+ drivers have shown me the way, usually by starting last and me trying to follow them.

I've had also had awesome battles in lower SR, very clean, great awareness, swapping positions several times on the Nord. Know when to back out is the most important skill to learn, yet most learn that last or never. The good thing about lower SR is tighter matchmaking (more players to choose from) and thus tighter races with more interaction. At 99 SR I usually got timed out before reaching the finish when I still qualified. Daily C was not a question of having a chance at a podium finish, the question was whether I would reach the finish line in time. Nothing to learn when the cars are all separated by 8 to 10 sec by the end.

I don't care about bad penalties anymore, I can easily spot the difference between intentional bad behavior vs still learning to control the car and track. Sometimes its very toxic, other times you meet people of which you wonder how they ended up with low SR. It's never boring vs SR.S where I'm literally racing the same group race after race. When the Nord is on I can do 30 races a day lol. Variety is good!

Here's the most toxic the game can get, highlight reel from 8 races this morning. I didn't save the first one that landed me in SR.B, so it starts from SR.B then straight to SR.E (thanks to matchmaking)

The worst race is the last where a second troll showed up, @Natalie_GT met him as well.
Last race starts at 21:46 which shouldn't be called a race at all.

With the current penalty system there is no escaping these kind of individuals. Doesn't matter, good test of the penalty system, good exercise to see where brake check penalties trigger and where not as well as ghosting. Plus they did not get their way, winning by ramming everyone out of the way. In most of the races the top half got to escape SR.E hell

Just played some Yakkety Sax while watching to add some soundtrack... highly recommended!

 

[elston87]

What are they learning when the rabbit is 10 sec ahead at Flugplatz out of sight?

They learn more from non qualifiers, seeing where they leave openings to get passed and how they get passed. That's how I learned, watch how people pass me and try to replicate the successful passes. At first I also believed you could only pass on the straights on the Nord, yet plenty fast and clean A+ drivers have shown me the way, usually by starting last and me trying to follow them.

I've had also had awesome battles in lower SR, very clean, great awareness, swapping positions several times on the Nord. Know when to back out is the most important skill to learn, yet most learn that last or never. The good thing about lower SR is tighter matchmaking (more players to choose from) and thus tighter races with more interaction. At 99 SR I usually got timed out before reaching the finish when I still qualified. Daily C was not a question of having a chance at a podium finish, the question was whether I would reach the finish line in time. Nothing to learn when the cars are all separated by 8 to 10 sec by the end.

I don't care about bad penalties anymore, I can easily spot the difference between intentional bad behavior vs still learning to control the car and track. Sometimes its very toxic, other times you meet people of which you wonder how they ended up with low SR. It's never boring vs SR.S where I'm literally racing the same group race after race. When the Nord is on I can do 30 races a day lol. Variety is good!

Here's the most toxic the game can get, highlight reel from 8 races this morning. I didn't save the first one that landed me in SR.B, so it starts from SR.B then straight to SR.E (thanks to matchmaking)

The worst race is the last where a second troll showed up, @Natalie_GT met him as well.
Last race starts at 21:46 which shouldn't be called a race at all.

With the current penalty system there is no escaping these kind of individuals. Doesn't matter, good test of the penalty system, good exercise to see where brake check penalties trigger and where not as well as ghosting. Plus they did not get their way, winning by ramming everyone out of the way. In most of the races the top half got to escape SR.E hell

That was pretty hard to watch. That player is outright griefing by disrupting every race they participate in with that behavior. It's a shame that the Report button just opens a do-nothing dialog box to close, because behavior like this needs to be reported, and players who behave like that need to be banned. If that were me behind them, I'd probably lose my cool and do my best to take them out so I can get on with my race.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

That was pretty hard to watch. That player is outright griefing by disrupting every race they participate in with that behavior. It's a shame that the Report button just opens a do-nothing dialog box to close, because behavior like this needs to be reported, and players who behave like that need to be banned. If that were me behind them, I'd probably lose my cool and do my best to take them out so I can get on with my race.

Everyone got together in Januari to try just that. He is a long time griefer, but PD won't do anything about it.

The penalty system was off, so everyone, including him landed in SR.S. Now it's reversed, SR deductions on race B are so harsh its dragging everyone down and SR.S is a ghost town for matchmaking.

Ignoring is best, but that's not an option if you want to play the game. Luckily I only encounter him on the Nordschleife. I guess races with multiple laps and more penalty zones aren't fun enough for griefing

 

[Natalie_GT]

Honestly I wish PD would just adopt a shared fault system with a contact point system to back it up.

It would be simple, really; you give a penalty to both drivers regardless of fault (yes, it's bad, but it's better than the perp getting away with it or worse, penalizing only the victim), and then have 3 contact points for producing a race accident. If you reach 20 contact points (cumulative) in 7 races or less, you get forced to sit out for 6 hours IRL. And increase this to 12, then 18, then 24, then a week, then an indefinite ban from the game.

The only way to cool that off would be to do the opposite: NOT reach that ammount of contact points in your next 7 races. Therefore, you make people have to actually play the game to, in a way, appeal a misconduct "ban", not allowing them to just sit out for a few hours and then resume the carnage without or with the same consequences.

He was in my next race as well, creating havoc, then he went to the lobbies I guess. Maybe the penalty zone does work for him, no fun when you have to wait for 15 seconds while everyone passes. The other simply treats it as the finish line... Nord needs a penalty zone on each straight to discourage this nonsense. I'm not a fan of penalty zones yet it obviously doesn't work like it is now.

The sick part in me wants to see that, to be honest.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Can anyone tell me why I get a penalty here?

I honestly don't know anymore lol. Lag I guess. GT Sport the no passing simulator.

He said he didn't feel any contact and was trying to let me by after messing up.