Photo Mode -New pics- 56k!

[Dave A]

Robin, I don't think you really got what I said, I know I didn't explain it properly so I'll try again;

What I'm trying to say is, how is Polypony Digital getting the time to take these pictures and uploading them to the internet, shouldn't they be working on the game itself, this has to be a sign that the game is either done or something is up.

Can I just say, that is a load of tosh, do you think it takes the entire PD team to upload some pic's from photo mode on the internet? They will have one person they use to create images to release to the public, they will have had one guy to get the images for GT3 to upload to release to the public too.

 

[Wads]

This here is a very early GT4 pic that was realised before E3 2003. You can clearly see Photo mode was around back then. You can see its Photo mode by the location (fish market), the way the car is positioned compared to the camera and the detail.

The pic was scanned from a magazine.

Yep scanned by me...... along with the first ever pics from GT4 👍

 

[LaBounti]

Robin, I don't think you really got what I said, I know I didn't explain it properly so I'll try again;

What I'm trying to say is, how is Polypony Digital getting the time to take these pictures and uploading them to the internet, shouldn't they be working on the game itself, this has to be a sign that the game is either done or something is up.

Polyphony Digital has well over 80 members, there is always time to do things like this.90% of the time its the game testers who take these images. Photo mode has alwasy been in GT4.

 

[Eagle]

@Eagle: Sorry to say it dude but without shadows not a single thing on earth would have something like a volume. Shadows toghether with highlights are those two light phenomens that mainly define a surface ...

Whilst true, when you've got large shadows across your car obscuring the corporate logo for the company who's going to pay for your pictures, you wish they weren't there

 

[Zer0]

Some previous Paris shots in hi-res:

 

[usernamed]

Nice find Zer0 👍

 

[Zarkoff500]

I like the fact that a few of those 3D spectators are waring sunglasses at night. The French have some odd customs.

 

[cobragt]

The crowds arent 3d yet, those are 2d crowds but they look alot better than the ones in gt4p. PD hasn't rendered the 3d crowds yet.

 

[Dave A]

Actually theres been some 3d crowds in screenshots, that said they didn't look all that but theres time for them to improve.

 

[usernamed]

I think they're wearing sunglasses because its easier to render then detailed eyes..

I don't think we'll see the 3d crowds until the final release.

 

[Robin]

I hope the 3D crowds eventually look better than the ones shown above......does anyone know if they will turn as your car goes past cos they look really stupid facing the other way when your car has gone past......

+ Does anyone remeber that PD was also going to do some animation with the stand crowds in GT4........somthing like there heads would turn as the car went past.......is this ever gonna happen or are there only going to be 3D's at the front and "boards".....behind them.

All people should be rendered in 3D with animation!

Robin

 

[cobragt]

I hope they will be as detailed as the 3d driver and pitcrew members.

 

[spawn9999999]

I hope the 3D crowds eventually look better than the ones shown above......does anyone know if they will turn as your car goes past cos they look really stupid facing the other way when your car has gone past......

+ Does anyone remeber that PD was also going to do some animation with the stand crowds in GT4........somthing like there heads would turn as the car went past.......is this ever gonna happen or are there only going to be 3D's at the front and "boards".....behind them.

All people should be rendered in 3D with animation!

Robin

There is a clip of a Lancia in Capri with 3d crowds and the heads do follow the car.

 

[usernamed]

Some more Paris Hi-res pics at IGN...

http://media.ps2.ign.com/media/489/489327/imgs_1.html

 

[Eagle]

What the hell? You want complete 3D crowds as detailed as pit crews?

Let's look at the main stand on Grand Valley Speedway. If you pause an get as much of the crowd into shot as possible, you're looking at a few thousand people easily. 5000 say? Now look at the amount of polygons required to make those people we see darting infront of our rally cars look realistic - it's in the hundreds easily - anywhere between 500,000 to 2.5million polygons would be needed, and the PS2 can only push ~66 million a second. Never mind the coding required to individually move the head of each spectator as a function of it's proximity to the nearest car.

3D crowds are overkill. You know what happens when you have assholes darting on the road in the WRC? They get dealt with by marshalls or the stage gets cancelled.

 

[GTXLR]

The crowds arent 3d yet, those are 2d crowds but they look alot better than the ones in gt4p. PD hasn't rendered the 3d crowds yet.

Err Open your eyes those are 3d crowds, thy arent going to get any more detailed than that.
They are not going to be fully modelled in 1000 polys, they are just going to have some depth added.

I hope they will be as detailed as the 3d driver and pitcrew members.

Sometimes Cobra I think you really do expect too much.

just look at those standing sideways. the previous no 3d spectators were card board thin from this angle, as seen in prologue

These are static imges of the 3d crowd, they will have animation motion routines like moving heads and arms as seen in some clips already, but dont expect crowds like those seen in the intro Video for prologue.

Look at the guy on the right standing side on in the light blue shirt in the first picture.

Now in this oicture 3rd from the left that is the same guy but from the front.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Those are definitely 3D people. The people in the Toyota Demo are just simple, but with better detail than in GT3, cardboard looking cutouts of people. The people in the following shots look much more detailed...

 

[Eagle]

Those guys are 3D but they're not gonna get anything like the attention of the pit crew. Those things look like they belong back in Half Life - that dude's arms make him look like he comes from Chernobyl.

 

[T5-R]

Well atleast there better than the 'peds' in Carmageddon 2

 

[Eagle]

haha, yeah. I don't know about you guys but I really won't be staring off the racing line long enough to care about spectators.

Oh that chick in the 5th row at turn 1 is waving at me? That's so cool! Wait, she's still just a bunch of dots of lights.

Oh she's only standing still, that just ruined the immersion and realism of the game for me.

I get the feeling I'm gonna be too busy to care.

 

[redhed17]

It always makes me smile when people start going on about 3D crowds, and oh yes, 3D wheel rims.

Use memory where it counts, on the AI. If it's a toss up between better AI, and 3D spectators who add nothing to the driving, I'll have the better AI.

I've never noticed the 2D rims, so they don't have to bother with them in my opinion.

 

[Dave A]

Lets face it, you don't notice the rims while racing, you dod notice the crowds so I'm glad they're 3d now, but they don't need to be detailed or anything, but your right if it's between thoes little details or better AI, I'd takethe AI any day.

 

[Robin]

I don't see what was soooo wrong with the GT3 AI anyway .....judging from what we have seen with GT4.....I'd say go back to the old one!!

 

[kinigitt]

RSC 2 did a good job with its 3d spectators. there were only 10 tops on screen at once, but it was a nice touch. I dont know what PD will do in those grand stand situations, but I wouldnt care if they were cardboard or not. Seeing some animated 3d models right by the road is a neat little feature, but it doesnt make or break a game.

 

[Robin]

^ the problem is nowadays is that games graphics abilities are over rated.....people whom are new to the GT series will just go by stuff like "3D people" to decide whether they are gonna by the game.....When people review games.......first thing they say.....the graphics are is...or that!......that is what make or breaks a game nowadays.......the little things are kinda what matter

 

[GTXLR]

RSC 2 did a good job with its 3d spectators. there were only 10 tops on screen at once, but it was a nice touch. I dont know what PD will do in those grand stand situations, but I wouldnt care if they were cardboard or not. Seeing some animated 3d models right by the road is a neat little feature, but it doesnt make or break a game.

So far animated 3d spectators have only Appeared In modes where max 2 cars are featured, VEGAS Drag Mode 2 cars only, Paris Rally 2 cars only, Costa Amlafi, Citta Di Aria: 1 car (possibly 2), Grand Canyon 1 Car only.
Im not expecting to see full grandstands of 3d spectators in 6 car races.
Hopefully improved from GT3 but not animated 3d.

 

[concept kidd]

all i can say is wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my god are thay the way the ps2 well take them..?that clr????,,thats is hurry up..and get it want now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sven]

Some people want 3D rims instead of spectators, but I think the current rims look fine in motion.

 

[Dave A]

that clr????

What CLR?.

 

[Eagle]

I think he means CLK-LM.

I think anyone who is more impressed by a few moving spectators then the fantastic graphics of everything else is pedantic and has ADD.