Plane crash in Southern France.

[eran0004]

It isn't the Daily Mail that was saying this. It's Reuters. This little gem may convince you otherwise (said by ex-girlfriend by way of Reuters):

It's not Reuters, it's Bild. Reuters are just quoting Bild's interview.

From Wikipedia:

Bild has been described as "notorious for its mix of gossip, inflammatory language, and sensationalism" and as having a huge influence on German politicians.[2] Its nearest English-language stylistic and journalistic equivalent is often considered to be the British national newspaper The Sun, the second highest selling European tabloid newspaper, with which it shares a degree of rivalry.[3][4][5]

Der Spiegel wrote in 2006 that Bild "flies just under the nonsense threshold of American and British tabloids

 

[Sanji Himura]

My point remains, @eran0004. Everyone was so quick to bash the Daily Mail on that one, when it wasn't them that initially filed the story.

 

[Dennisch]

Has anyone found the FDR already?

And Bild has somehow acquired the recordings from the CVR.

 

[eran0004]

My point remains, @eran0004. Everyone was so quick to bash the Daily Mail on that one, when it wasn't them that initially filed the story.

Well, they're responsible for what they report, even when they just use stories from another paper.

 

[Crash]

I have to be honest, I thought cockpits had their own toilets. I would have thought most commercial aeroplane builders would have thought of such an eventuality.

Pilots typically share the front of plane toilets with the first class/business class passengers.

Until the FAA or EASA mandates it, cockpit toilets won't happen. Even if offered as an option, airlines won't purchase it as it takes away from valuable passenger seat space for a toilet (and weight) that will be rarely used.

Yeah, most of your major airliners here in the US are primarily domestic. Only a few of the wide-bodied aircraft like a 777, or maybe a 747 (as it gets pretty small up there if you've ever been in one) could fit a small shower room behind. The 777 of Emirates I believe have crew compartments, but those are located clear at the back...

All long-haul routes will use planes with crew rest areas as FAA mandates certain maximum crew duty time durations.

Crew compartments are typically in the back and above the main cabin.

 

[Robin]

If all these pieces of information the press are throwing around turn out to be true it's starting to build a pretty clear picture of what lead to this although it's still inexcusable to take all those innocent people.

Girlfriend is pregnant.
He planned to marry her.
She dumps him right before the crash.
He is going blind so his while career could be over.
Has a history of depression.

 

[Pupik]

To be fair, various tabloids sometimes (although rarely) steal a march on other forms of media because they publish lots of salacious and unverified things while others prefer to double-check their sources. The problem is:

1) most forms of media aren't really verifying much anymore - they're busier than ever making sure nobody's offended or dealing with a pared back staff. After all news happens 57 hours a day! What the hell, issue a retraction or cloak a statement with "weasel-out words" like "...on social media..." or "...some are saying..." or "...reports say..." or "...allegations...".

2) even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

Also, I survived a 30-minute plane ride today; unless someone can prove a 100% clairvoyant record, there's precisely nothing that would prevent what happened without introducing another variable that could be just as unexpected and nearly unimaginable.

Air marshals? Who's to say he's not nuts?

Another lock - that could fail. Or the code gets released to those who shouldn't know it.

Bring back a flight engineer? Not going to happen with current cockpit sizes, although it helped in this case. I doubt they want the babysitting, unless there's an available jumpseat.

Psychological examinations? Well, someone can lie really well. There's no way every pilot is going to get checked out each year along with the physical examinations, unless it's enforced - and the amount of false-positives that could spring from that doesn't exactly take care of the supposed pilot shortage. I think most know when they're out of their capacity to do their job, and every action and word is recorded (short of video recording) if they become questionable.

Unfeeling pilot robots? Let's get the driver-less car thing perfected first, okay?

 

[eran0004]

If all these pieces of information the press are throwing around turn out to be true it's starting to build a pretty clear picture of what lead to this although it's still inexcusable to take all those innocent people.

Girlfriend is pregnant.
He planned to marry her.
She dumps him right before the crash.
He is going blind so his while career could be over.
Has a history of depression.

While on the topic of excuses I would like to point out that there's a difference between an explanation and an excuse. There is an explanation to everything, but there's not an excuse for everything. People tend to sometimes confuse one with the other, saying that any attempt to explain a horrible event is to make up excuses for it.

 

[Robin]

While on the topic of excuses I would like to point out that there's a difference between an explanation and an excuse. There is an explanation to everything, but there's not an excuse for everything. People tend to sometimes confuse one with the other, saying that any attempt to explain a horrible event is to make up excuses for it.

The press seem to be on some sort of warped crusade to validate what he did, revealing ever more details about all the things which were terribly wrong with his personal life. Everyone has problems and don't do these things. So yeah these are explanations but are being treated as excuses.

 

[eran0004]

The press seem to be on some sort of warped crusade to validate what he did, revealing ever more details about all the things which were terribly wrong with his personal life. Everyone has problems and don't do these things. So yeah these are explanations but are being treated as excuses.

Do you have any example of how they do that? I haven't seen anything like that, but I also haven't followed the media very closely on this.

 

[Barra333]

Yeah, it has been established that he was messed up medically and mentally. They could probably stop airing his dirty laundry, which only going to make life even more difficult for his friends and family.

 

[Robin]

Do you have any example of how they do that? I haven't seen anything like that, but I also haven't followed the media very closely on this.

Two words.... Daily Mail. They are picking apart so much of the negative aspects of his life that it comes across as excuses.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Two words.... Daily Mail.

You'll have to do better than that. Do you have any specific examples of people providing excuses for his behaviour?

Yeah, it has been established that he was messed up medically and mentally. They could probably stop airing his dirty laundry, which only going to make life even more difficult for his friends and family.

That's an explanation not an excuse. And as painful as this is and is going to be for his family and friends, I think the 1000's of friends and family of the victims take precedence. His "dirty laundry" needs to be investigated so steps can be taken to mitigate something like this from reccuring, if at all possible.

 

[Robin]

You'll have to do better than that. Do you have any specific examples of people providing excuses for his behaviour?

I said seem to be and comes across, no publication would ever give a literal excuse. Have you read any of the daily mail articles about this over the past few days?

 

[Johnnypenso]

I said seem to be and comes across, no publication would ever give a literal excuse. Have you read any of the daily mail articles about this over the past few days?

I've read many things, but I haven't read anything that even comes close to looking like an excuse.

 

[Dennisch]

Hmmm.

The conspirators have found their way to this story. The FDR hasn't been found yet, or the memory card is missing because they needed a quick scapegoat for the crash.

Hmmm.

 

[Famine]

The press

Two words.... Daily Mail.

 

[Robin]

Well they are the press you certainly never stop hearing from them wherever you hide.

 

[Barra333]

That's an explanation not an excuse. And as painful as this is and is going to be for his family and friends, I think the 1000's of friends and family of the victims take precedence. His "dirty laundry" needs to be investigated so steps can be taken to mitigate something like this from reccuring, if at all possible.

I know it is an explanation. I'm not trying to make excuses for the guy, I'm just saying that the prying into his private life has probably gone as far as it needs to in the public domain. Sure, the official investigation should turn over every stone, but that is for the investigation, not Bild or the Daily Mail. Yes, that will be hard on his friends and family, but not near as bad as having 30 'reporters' going through their rubbish.

 

[Dotini]

Perhaps it was not a suicide but a terrorist event?

The very unusual premature public leak of the terrifying 8 minutes of screaming passengers, the multiplying stories of Lubitz recently converting religion, and the notes found in his home that supposedly were not suicide notes, are all indications of a possible major turn in the case.

 

[mister dog]

What worries me a bit is all the attention he is getting post mortem. All this press coverage of his life and his motives might inspire other desperate souls to think 'well in life i might be a failure, but at least when i do something terrible they will remember me'...

 

[Johnnypenso]

What worries me a bit is all the attention he is getting post mortem. All this press coverage of his life and his motives might inspire other desperate souls to think 'well in life i might be a failure, but at least when i do something terrible they will remember me'...

That cow has already left the barn. There's no way to cover this stuff up anymore in the internet age. Really surprising how quickly the leaks are coming though, makes you think there's a hidden agenda here. Unfortunately the odds are pretty high that there will be copycats.

Perhaps it was not a suicide but a terrorist event?

The very unusual premature public leak of the terrifying 8 minutes of screaming passengers, the multiplying stories of Lubitz recently converting religion, and the notes found in his home that supposedly were not suicide notes, are all indications of a possible major turn in the case.

I haven't seen anything about a religious conversion. Do you have a link?

 

[Dotini]

I haven't seen anything about a religious conversion. Do you have a link?

I do, but since some people may be offended or angered, I've decided not to get further involved with the whole affair. It's too fresh, too tragic, and too sensitive at this time.

 

[Touring Mars]

It's not hard to find online articles linking Lubitz to Islam - what is harder to locate is any solid evidence or reliable source that makes any real link, let alone any that establish that Lubitz's religious views (whatever they were) had any part to play in his motivation to commit mass murder. As Lincoln once said, 'anyone can write anything they like on the internet, but it doesn't make it true'.

 

[TenEightyOne]

A letter left in an aircraft for its pilots has been tweeted by one of their colleagues.

 

[InSight]

This is something all people need in this crazy turbocapitalistic world.

 

[TenEightyOne]

The BBC is reporting that a video is circulating online which was taken inside the cabin as the plane crashed.

 

[Swagger897]

The BBC is reporting that a video is circulating online which was taken inside the cabin as the plane crashed.

tried looking for a few minutes... everyone is reporting the same stuff but no one has mentioned who (the French mag) actually published it...

edit: apparently this is the sight:
http://www.parismatch.com/Actu/International/Exclusive-The-final-moments-before-the-crash-736774

 

[Johnnypenso]

tried looking for a few minutes... everyone is reporting the same stuff but no one has mentioned who (the French mag) actually published it...

edit: apparently this is the sight:
http://www.parismatch.com/Actu/International/Exclusive-The-final-moments-before-the-crash-736774

CNN says it's not public yet as of a few hours ago. They are only reporting that it exists and that the video is very chaotic and that it's hard to make any visuals out, but the sound is revealing. I must say it's quite odd how much information is being leaked out at this point. How the heck does a news outlet get their hands on video that should only be in the hands of investigators at this point?

Note, this video below contains no plane footage, it's only CNN reporting and discussion.

 

[Dennisch]

I think Bild has put all their resources on this case getting everything uncovered, how despicable the leaked info may be.