Plane crash in Southern France.

[Touring Mars]

Is it not a bit strange that they are not releasing the names of the pilots?

Either something extraordinarily unlikely has happened, or it was a deliberate act.

 

[mister dog]

Imagine if you're in that plane and you see the copilot banging that door violently whilst the plane goes into a dive... terrible. Poor souls.

 

[MonSpaNur]

all the other possibilities

What other possibilities?
The only possibility that can be extracted from the information that we have now is pilot suicide.
Anything else is pure speculation.
You trying to argue based in speculations?
Like I said before, only facts do matter for me.

 

[Dennisch]

Lufthansa states that for now they can't confirm the NYT story because they haven't heard it from the French or German investigation teams.

 

[Famine]

What other possibilities?

Anything that explains the facts.

The only possibility that can be extracted from the information that we have now is pilot suicide.

No, that's only one explanation. If that was the only explanation for all the known facts there can never be any other explanation as any new facts cannot reinstate an earlier, discarded explanation due to that failing to fit a previous fact. That is how theories - that is "explanations that cover all available facts" - work. Several are developed that explain all existing facts and they are whittled down to just one as more facts become available. Once you're down to one you can't go back up again, as an earlier explanation doesn't cover one or more already established fact.

For the current suite of facts that I'm aware of - a controlled flight into terrain after a steady, steep descent at a steady speed - there are myriad explanations. For you to state that there is no other explanation but a deliberate act on behalf of someone on the flight deck to crash the plane into a mountain, you must be aware of more facts than I. So please pass them along - we're all eager to know what this additional information you have is.

Anything else is pure speculation.

Unless you are holding on to additional facts that it seems no-one on GTP is aware of, pilot suicide is speculation also.

This is why I keep asking you to provide these facts. You are, it seems, supremely confident that pilot suicide is the causative factor to the exclusion of any other possibility. Since you've resolved all possible explanations down to just the 1 already you must have facts which preclude all of the others that I've not been made aware of.

That's all I'm asking you for - the fact or facts which falsify all other possible causes.

 

[Dennisch]

Press conference underway.

Co pilot is alone in the cockpit. And he starts the sequence to land the plane. This can only be done voluntary.

They can hear him breath until impact.

They can hear the door being banged until the moment of impact.

The most logical explanation is that the co pilot deliberately refused anyone to enter the cockpit. They do not know why he did it, and that remains to be investigated.

 

[Grayfox]

Is it not a bit strange that they are not releasing the names of the pilots?

Either something extraordinarily unlikely has happened, or it was a deliberate act.

They don't tell you victim name or suspect names in an on going criminal investigation.
Same thing here I would assume.

They don't want someones name being tarred as a mass murder when they weren't because once they get labeled a mass murder by some unconfirmed rumor the media just says they over and over and when they were found innocent there media does nothing, they don't apologize or compensate the family's who are now effected.

But in the non media world you can get sued for slander if you say such things.

 

[Famine]

Press conference underway.

Co pilot is alone in the cockpit. And he starts the sequence to land the plane. This can only be done voluntary.

They can hear him breath until impact.

As I mentioned earlier, the parallels twixt this flight and this one from 2013 are... alarming.

 

[Liquid]

And he starts the sequence to land the plane. This can only be done voluntary.

To land the plane? Not crash it. Sounds all very controlled even if bizarre. Moving away from a murder-suicide, a hypoxia scenario whereby the copilot is disorientated and delusional and unaware of the danger of simply "landing the plane" brings Helios 522 to mind. The obvious difference there being that the pilots were knocked out and a flight attendant actually did manage to enter the cockpit before the fuel ran out.

 

[Soundtrack]

That press conference suggests a deliberate action from co-pilot.

 

[Dennisch]

With the officials stating it it does indeed become painfully clear that it is a murder suicide situation.

@Liquid

To land a plane you need to disable the autopilot so it seems.

 

[eran0004]

Imagine if you're in that plane and you see the copilot banging that door violently whilst the plane goes into a dive... terrible. Poor souls.

3000 feet per minute is a normal descent rate, it's not a dive. I doubt that the passengers noticed anything until perhaps at the very end, because otherwise I imagine that someone would have picked up their phone and made a call.

 

[Liquid]

To land a plane you need to disable the autopilot so it seems.

Are they saying "starting the landing sequence" as a euphamism for "disabling the autopilot" then? The two can be quite different actions, especially in this case. The outlook for a non-homicidal scenario is not looking good at the moment.

 

[Soundtrack]

Prosecutor insists the co-pilot voluntary engaged button (necessitating multiple rotation) of altitude related command.

 

[Lissa]

It does indeed seem to be a deliberate crash.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587

 

[Ibonibo]

Oh my... listening to the prosecuter.... it's just so sadening...

Copilot was 27 years old... was mentioned earlier on a german Newschannel

EDit: 28

 

[Famine]

It does indeed seem to be a deliberate crash.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587

That headline is bizarre. I wonder when we're going to find out the source of that particular quote.

I'd have thought a near vertical nosedive into granite at near Mach would have been a better way to achieve that apparently desired outcome than a low cruise flop.

 

[Dennisch]

Are they saying "starting the landing sequence" as a euphamism for "disabling the autopilot" then? The two can be quite different actions, especially in this case. The outlook for a non-homicidal scenario is not looking good at the moment.

"At that moment, the co-pilot is controlling the plane by himself. While he is alone, the co-pilot presses the buttons of the flight monitoring system to put into action the descent of the aeroplane."

 

[mister dog]

3000 feet per minute is a normal descent rate, it's not a dive. I doubt that the passengers noticed anything until perhaps at the very end, because otherwise I imagine that someone would have picked up their phone and made a call.

So you wouldn't notice the pilot banging the cockpit door violently whilst you see the mountains coming closer and closer through the window? It doesn't take a brain surgeon to put two and two together in that case.

Also you can't use your mobile phone on a plane at high altitude, there is no signal.

 

[Robin]

Usually the pilots names are released quite quickly after an accident. The fact these were being held back suggests to me that investigators knew there was a possibility of deliberate action (before the black box was found) maybe because they became aware of something to do with one of the pilots. Maybe they had just had some bad news, or a break up etc.

 

[Touring Mars]

It would appear that Lufthansa were/are in the midst of a bout of strikes and industrial action...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-31917988

 

[Johnnypenso]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/26/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html

Press conference in French, translated. Blow by blow details of changes to the flight controls and what happened with the pilot and co-pilot. Seems like it was suicide or terrorism. Good call @MonSpaNur 👍👍

 

[TenEightyOne]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/26/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html

Press conference in French, translated. Blow by blow details of changes to the flight controls and what happened with the pilot and co-pilot. Seems like it was suicide or terrorism.

Yup, who'd have thought @MonSpaNur could be right? Not me, I'll admit.

This type of pilot suicide (if that's what it indeed turns out to be) is just unthinkable

 

[Liquid]

It absolutely beggers belief why you would take a plane full of people along with you. No rational person would ever do such a thing.

 

[mister dog]

I'm quite a nervous flyer myself, for years i didn't want to fly until i gave in because of practical reasons, so all possible disaster scenarios run through my head when i step on one although i try to calm myself (usually involving some booze).

I thought of this before, 'what if' the pilot wants to kill himself? With these anti hijacking doors he could just lock out his colleague (i was hoping there was an emergency code to get back in, yet i didn't know it could be overwritten in the cockpit).

Now a full passenger airplane had to crash killing 150 innocent folks before they are gonna revise that system and take that scenario into account themselves... Very sad indeed.

 

[Nico_Ble99]

Really sad to hear this...my thoughts and prayers go to all families who lost their beloved ones.

Anyway, I‘m currently looking through the web, and I found the following on a German news website: (translated ofc)

"It looked like the copilot deliberately brought the plane to a descent", said Robin.
(...)
"According to the information, the investigators could listen to the final 30 minutes of the conversation between the pilotand the copilot. For the first 20 minutes everythiing seemed normal."
(...)
"As the copilot was alone in the cockpit, it was hearable that he was operating the Flight Monitoring System to bring the plane to a descent. It‘s also hearable the pilot asking the copilot to let him back into the cockpit, but the copilot didn‘t answer him. The copilot hadn‘t said a single word while he was alone in the cockpit."
(...)
"The pilot was knocking at the door from the outside. Until the moment of impact, you could only hear the copilot breathing in the cockpit. He breathed normally."
(...)
"We think that two deliberate actions happened: to refuse the pilot to get back into the cockpit and to bring the plane to a descent."

I know, it‘s not the best translation. But that‘s all I can do.

 

[FoRiZon]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/26/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html

Press conference in French, translated. Blow by blow details of changes to the flight controls and what happened with the pilot and co-pilot. Seems like it was suicide or terrorism. Good call @MonSpaNur 👍👍

What the hell?

Suicide while carrying full of passengers. That just, i dont have a word to say.

 

[Johnnypenso]

It absolutely beggers belief why you would take a plane full of people along with you. No rational person would ever do such a thing.

Depends on whether you consider a terrorist rational or not. Not saying it is terrorism, but it's a possibility until it's ruled out of course.

 

[Famine]

Yup, who'd have thought @MonSpaNur could be right? Not me, I'll admit.

He wasn't.

He may have guessed right, but saying it was the only explanation prior to the evidence that seems to be shepherding us down that road only now was wrong. Unless he had that evidence, of course - but we'll never know as he never shared it.

 

[Dennisch]

Plottwist.

MonSpaNur is actually the high ranking military officer who spoke with the NYT yesterday.