Plane crash in Southern France.

[MonSpaNur]

But what if the plane wasn't on auto pilot yet.
That makes the scenario plausible.

Yes.
But only if this coincidences occurred:
- The plane wasn`t on autopilot.
- The pilot initiated the descend while blacking out.
- The pilot was alone in the cockpit.

I believe in very unlikely coincidences, I have had a small collection of them in my life.
So, hopefully that is the explanation.

For example, this is a very unlikely scenario, so the investigation can discover something very astonishing about yesterday crash.

I must stress again, the suicide is the worst scenario for me, but at moment, and with all the information that we have now, it is the most plausible.
If not the only one.

 

[Famine]

based in all information know at moment, the only reason for the crash is a suicide

I might have turned over two pages at once here, but what information do we have that would lead to that conclusion alone? All I've seen is that this A320 had a controlled flight into terrain at a constant, if steep, rate of descent at a reasonable ground speed that didn't increase as the plane fell. This description does bear remarkable similarity to this crash in 2013 (as do the comments about the pilot locked out of the cockpit), but that's hardly conclusive...


Incidentally, that's not how theories work. If all information we know points only to a single conclusion, there can never be any other conclusions, because all the others have been rendered false by the existing information. I suspect you mean "the strongest candidate reason", because that would leave other conclusions open for more information to complete the picture.

 

[MonSpaNur]

that's not how theories work.

But what I said is not a theory, is a fact.
I have no theories about this accident.

EDIT:

what information do we have that would lead to that conclusion alone?
but that's hardly conclusive...

And I have no conclusions also.

 

[Robin]

Never seen such. I'll let you know though next time I'm on a new 737 from Delta..

Apparently most airlines have it,

If a member of the flight crew doesn't open the locked cockpit door from the inside, according to a manual for the Airbus A320 available online, the door can also be unlocked by the cabin crew outside the cockpit by entering a two- to seven-digit code, pre-programmed by the airline, on a keypad.

Which makes me wonder, did electrical failure mean the door could not be unlocked or did the remaining pilot barricade the door.

 

[eran0004]

But what if the plane wasn't on auto pilot yet.
That makes the scenario plausible.

If the plane wasn't on autopilot and the pilot lost consciousness the plane would have gone out of control. You wouldn't get a controlled descent at a steady speed and the plane wouldn't stay on course.

It would have to be a really unfortunate combination:

1. The captain or the co-pilot leaves the cockpit.
2. Whoever remains in the cockpit goes unconscious for whatever reason.
3. Something occurs with the plane that causes the autopilot to descend.

It's a very unlikely combination.

 

[Barra333]

Let the investigations be closed before saying the pilot killed 149 people

I never said that.

IF you are saying the pilot committed suicide, then by definition he killed everyone else on board, unless you think he thought he was the only one going to die by hitting the side of a mountain at high speed.

Is not my fault if you are not able to distinguish between my fact (based in all information know at moment, the only reason for the crash is a suicide) and your suppositions (there are many possible bla bla bla, potencially explosive bla bla bla and supposing bla bla bla...).

But what I said is not a theory, is a fact.
I have no theories about this accident.

And I have no conclusions also.

What a load of garbage. Your 'fact' (it could also be a conclusion you jumped to) is a theory (laymans terminology, not scientific). It only becomes a fact when the evidence excludes all other possibilities, which is far from the case here. The cause of the crash being a CFIT is also a theory, based on the same information. The only difference being that everyone is stating that it is a theory based on the little information available.

In other words, you have a theory which you are stating as fact. Not to mention that it is quite insulting to the pilot(s) and the his(their) families at this point in time.

 

[terminator363]

I have a plausible scenario:

1. Pilots notice depressurization and equip masks
2. Pilots begins controlled steep decent with autopilot
3. Pilot #1 leaves cockpit to check cabin passengers (checking if everyone is already be wearing oxygen masks). Or goes to rear of aircraft for reserve oxygen tanks for himself and copilot?
   
4. Security cockpit door has automatically locked
5. Pilot #2 is likely unconscious because of hypoxia due to problem with oxygen supplied in the cockpit (possibly pilots knew their oxygen was running out - hence why one left)
6. Pilot #1 returns to door but is too late. Pilot #2 can't open door as he is unconscious
7. The plane continues a steady decent as programmed into the autopilot since the beginning of the emergency

 

[kikie]

Yesterday, I read that a shepherd saw the plane just before it crashed. He didn't see the crash but what he did see was that the plane was trying to avoid to fly into the mountains. This hardly sounds like a suicide.

 

[Fryto]

Pilot #1 returns to door but is too late. Pilot #2 can't open door as he is unconscious

In that case the second pilot should still be able to open the door himself with an access code. Looks like either that code lock failed, or the door was jammed.

 

[Famine]

But what I said is not a theory, is a fact.

have no theories about this accident.

I have no conclusions

A theory is an explanation for all known facts, usually as a conclusion of a rigorous testing procedure to falsify all other hypotheses. You've passed across the explanation of 'pilot suicide' as the exclusive explanation for all known facts. "Pilot suicide" is thus a theory.

However I'm not aware of any facts that fit only this theory to the exclusion of all others but you clearly are. The only facts I have are that a plane had a controlled flight into terrain after a steady, steep descent at a steady speed and 150 people died.

All I was asking for was what these facts are as I have obviously missed them due to our nation's preferential coverage of Clarkson and Malik.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Apparently most airlines have it,

Which makes me wonder, did electrical failure mean the door could not be unlocked or did the remaining pilot barricade the door.

The locked door is a normal post-11/9 security feature, as you say the crew can access it (normally) via a keypad.

Yesterday, I read that a shepherd saw the plane just before it crashed. He didn't s.ee the crash but what he did see was that the plane was trying to avoid to fly into the mountains. This hardly sounds like a suicide.

I recall that in a press conference yesterday somebody said "the plane was being flown all the way to the ground", I took that to mean that it was being manually controlled. I'll try to find a link.

...our nation's preferential coverage of Clarkson and Malik.

Simple, give Malik the presenting job and call the programme New Direction, then we can get back to Farage and house prices.

 

[MonSpaNur]

IF you are saying the pilot committed suicide

No, I never said that.

You've passed across the explanation

No, I have no explanations for this accident.

Guys, stop trying to force me to admit that I said something I never said.

 

[terminator363]

In that case the second pilot should still be able to open the door himself with an access code. Looks like either that code lock failed, or the door was jammed.

I would highly doubt that the door would jam. But you are correct and I overlooked that. Maybe the pilot at the controls decided it would be a good idea to leave his post and open the door for the pilot in the cabin. He then passed out at the very moment before opening the door, blocking it so the other guy wouldn't be able to get in - which is a pretty ridiculous scenario.

Otherwise, I can't see how the guy couldn't get back in. Unless he kept knocking on the door not to be impolite instead of opening it himself. Which is just stupid (lol)

The decent slope seems pretty steep to me by the way. I can't see why any pilot would get out at that pretty critical moment. Like, it only took them about 10 or so minutes to get from cruising altitude to the ground. I mean if my scenario was correct im pretty sure the pilot should have waited for the aircraft to reach a safer lower altitude - before tending to someone or doing something in the cabin.

 

[Barra333]

IF you are saying the pilot committed suicide,

No, I never said that.
Guys, stop trying to force me to admit that I said something I never said.

Try again...

Not really.
...I`m very sorry to said this, but all information suggests a suicide.
Hopefully other explanation appears.

Of course it is.
Any conclusion must be reached after a comprehensive investigation and this takes a long time (years in some cases) to be completed.
But, in fact, all information that we have now suggests a suicide.

Believe me, even if the investigation do not reach a conclusion, I really hope that, at least, it will exclude the suicide as a possible cause for the accident.
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Sorry, but what you presume means nothing for me.
I`m only interested in facts.

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Is not my fault if you are not able to distinguish between my fact (based in all information know at moment, the only reason for the crash is a suicide) and your suppositions (there are many possible bla bla bla, potencially explosive bla bla bla and supposing bla bla bla...).

Why you did not answer to my question: why what I said is wrong?
You have no answer?

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For example, this is a very unlikely scenario, so the investigation can discover something very astonishing about yesterday crash.

I must stress again, the suicide is the worst scenario for me, but at moment, and with all the information that we have now, it is the most plausible.
If not the only one.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Try again...

Wrong Barra that never happend it's all an illusion

 

[terminator363]

Actually reading some more, unless it was an insane coincidence most signs point to suicide.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Actually reading some more, unless it was an insane coincidence most signs point to suicide.

Don't see how, care to explain?

 

[terminator363]

Don't see how, care to explain?

How was the pilot not able to enter the cockpit? (Unless this airbus didn't have a key code)

But don't take my conclusion 100% there are still other possibilities.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

How was the pilot not able to enter the cockpit? (Unless this airbus didn't have a key code)

Didn't have the key code, malfunction with the door, pilot inside cockpit possibly blacked out, and on and on. Media blowing up the idea of "hey Watson, I be darned I think this was a suicide!", just to sell a story for a minute without evidence is business as usual. You've yet to explain how it's becoming more and more likely

 

[coryclifford]

Can't really label something a suicide when you're taking out a group of people at the same time.

Well, you can, but that's not really what it is anymore.

 

[Ibonibo]

On german Newschannel, there is a pilot right now speaking, trying to give explination: (trying to quote here)

"I never taught of it before, but you could pull a fuse and thus disenabling the keypad"

Then again on one of the discovery channel, survivor show, they had this scenario. They breached the closed door using a fully loaded trolly....

It's very wierd indeed, and it would be a huge drama if it would have been a suicide.

The copilot was in service for Germanwings since late 2013. The pilot for more than 10 years.

I always taught that pilots need to pass psyc test on regular bases. Apparently not...

 

[terminator363]

Didn't have the key code, malfunction with the door, pilot inside cockpit possibly blacked out, and on and on. Media blowing up the idea of "hey Watson, I be darned I think this was a suicide!", just to sell a story for minute without evidence is business as usual. You've yet to explain how it's becoming more and more likely

"Malfunction with the door" is absurd. I can't see a reason for one pilot to not be in the cockpit during such a critical maneuver. (The decent).

I want to see if the recording reveals knocks before or during the decent. The only other scenario that is as plausible as suicide is the cabin filling with thick smoke making it impossible for the pilot to use the keypad.

 

[Grayfox]

I have a plausible scenario:

1. Pilot #1 returns to door but is too late. Pilot #2 can't open door as he is unconscious

That cant happen as the door can be over ridden with a code just incase of such an event.

And their O2 supplies will last long enough for them to get down to a point where they can breathe which is about 9500ft

If the door was locked down by a one of the pilots it may highlight a need to have a bypass code just in case of a pilot hijacking.

 

[terminator363]

That cant happen as the door can be over ridden with a code just incase of such an event.

Yep. You are right. Look at my later posts.

 

[Grayfox]

Lastly there should be no need for a pilot to leave the cockpit to see if passengers have their O2 masks on.
There are Flight attendants that can do this and they explain this at the start of each flight.

For those that dont know how the Airbus Door system works.

 

[MonSpaNur]

Try again...

Yes, I said all that.

Now can you highlight where I said that the pilot committed suicide?
Or you have no proof for your accusation against me?

 

[Famine]

No, I have no explanations for this accident.

Guys, stop trying to force me to admit that I said something I never said.

I'm not... I'm trying to ascertain what the information is that leads you to say things like:

I`m very sorry to said this, but all information suggests a suicide.
Hopefully other explanation appears.

But, in fact, all information that we have now suggests a suicide.

I must stress again, the suicide is the worst scenario for me, but at moment, and with all the information that we have now, it is the most plausible.

because I'm simply not aware of this information.

Without that information that you clearly have but I've not seen anywhere, it gets very weird when you say your theory is fact and someone else's contradictory theories are only supposition:

Is not my fault if you are not able to distinguish between my fact (based in all information know at moment, the only reason for the crash is a suicide) and your suppositions (there are many possible bla bla bla, potencially explosive bla bla bla and supposing bla bla bla...).

as without the piece of information that rules out all the other possibilities, it's not a fact that the only reason for the crash is suicide. It's a theory - an explanation for all available information - that is no better or worse a theory than any other that explains all available information.

As I said twice now, the only information I'm aware of is that the plane had a controlled flight into terrain after a steady, steep descent at a steady speed and 150 people died. I'm not aware of the information that rules out any other possible theory but pilot suicide, but you apparently are. All I want is for you to share it to bring me - and it seems many other people who are also missing this piece of information - up to speed.

Even just a link to where this piece of information was reported will do.

 

[JoaoSilva]

Saw this on the news, really tough to watch ... my heart goes to all the families of the victims.

 

[kikie]

This article talks about suicide or malicious intentions, (don't know if this is the correct expression). This article also talks about the possibility that one pilot left the cockpit. A
pressurization occured, it wasn't possible any more to open the cabin door, the pilot in the cockpit lost
consciousness.

 

[Barra333]

Yes, I said all that.

Now can you highlight where I said that the pilot committed suicide?
Or you have no proof for your accusation against me?

Really? Who else aside from the pilots are we supposed to think you are talking about? The passenger in 6C, on the other side of the locked door?