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Plane crash in Southern France.
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It's happened before and has even been one of the considered reasons for MH370, it's totally irrational but your dealing with a person that may not have been of a sane mind at the time. Unfortunately people do despirate things.
It is tragic when they take all those innocent people with them. It was kinda emotional seeing that group photo of the school trip kids knowing they are now all gone.
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I dont know if they released the co-pilots name internationally but from the local Fox affiliate in Atlanta said he is Andreas Lubitz.
I read it on their facebook link. I would link myfoxatlanta but they have to many pop-ups. So the face book link.
https://www.facebook.com/fox5atlanta?fref=nf
I read it on their facebook link. I would link myfoxatlanta but they have to many pop-ups. So the face book link.
https://www.facebook.com/fox5atlanta?fref=nf
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The key phrase is "in that case". The case may look very different. Let's start with the mountains, for instance. For most of the descent they would be ahead the plane and out of sight for the passengers. The ground would be well below, no reason to panic.
What about the captain? If he went to the bathroom it's possible that he stayed there for a couple of minutes. When he came back the first thing he'd do is not to bang on the door, he'd probably knock and wait for a response. He might knock again, ask for the co-pilot to open. Then he might try to open the door with a code, still he's not allowed inside. Several minutes could have passed before he attempted something that the passengers would notice and even then I don't think they'd understand what's going on.
Phones do work at altitude, it depends on where the plane is in relation to a cell phone station. The lower you get the higher the chance of success gets. If they noticed something was seriously wrong at 15 000 feet they'd be ready with their phones at 10 000 feet and have more than a minute to make calls. It's not 100% chance of success, but if there's widespread panic in the cabin then there'd surely be more than one cell phone in use and if there are, say, twenty attempts to make a call or send a text, then there's a high chance that at least one of those calls or texts would go through.
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This question was asked in the German press conference. I'll search for the answer because I couldn't quite understand what he said.
Also.
The person in the cockpit can override any attempts to enter the cockpit from the outside.
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Correct.
"Spohr is asked whether Germanwings or Lufthansa protocols provide for a second member of the flight crew to be in the cockpit if one of the pilots leaves. He says that the company does not have such a protocol, that European regulations do not require it, and that he is not aware of any of the company’s competitors that have such a procedure.
Asked by the New York Times whether the pilot did anything wrong by leaving the cockpit, Spohr said that he did not."
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Lufthansa press conference summary
Heres a summary of the Lufthansa press conference, largely given by the company chief executive, Carsten Spohr.
Lufthansa confirmed that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz appeared to have prevented the captain from re-entering the cabin after a toilet break, and placed the Airbus A320 that resulted in the crash that killed all 150 on board.
Spohr said the company was in complete shock. It was “beyond our worst nightmare”, he told reporters in Cologne. “It leaves us absolutely speechless,” he said. “I wouldn’t not have been able to imagine that the situation would have got even worse.”
Spohr said that despite the disaster, Lufthansa had full confidence in its training and pilot screening procedures. These would nevertheless be reviewed, he said.
Unlike in the US, European regulations do not provide for two people to be in the cockpit at all times, Spohr said. Lufthansa does not voluntarily implement such a protocol, and Spohr said that he is not aware of any of the company’s competitors that have such a procedure.
Spohr said that it appears the captain punched in the emergency number into the cockpit door to gain entry, but the co-pilot deployed the five-minute over-ride. He said that, irrespective of all the sophisticated safety devices, “you can never exclude such an individual event”, adding “no system in the world could manage to do that”.
Asked about the theory that the co-pilot killed himself, he demurred. “We can only speculate what might have been the motivation of the co-pilot. In a company that prides itself on its safety record, this is a shock. We select cockpit personnel carefully.”
Heres a summary of the Lufthansa press conference, largely given by the company chief executive, Carsten Spohr.
Lufthansa confirmed that co-pilot Andreas Lubitz appeared to have prevented the captain from re-entering the cabin after a toilet break, and placed the Airbus A320 that resulted in the crash that killed all 150 on board.
Spohr said the company was in complete shock. It was “beyond our worst nightmare”, he told reporters in Cologne. “It leaves us absolutely speechless,” he said. “I wouldn’t not have been able to imagine that the situation would have got even worse.”
Spohr said that despite the disaster, Lufthansa had full confidence in its training and pilot screening procedures. These would nevertheless be reviewed, he said.
Unlike in the US, European regulations do not provide for two people to be in the cockpit at all times, Spohr said. Lufthansa does not voluntarily implement such a protocol, and Spohr said that he is not aware of any of the company’s competitors that have such a procedure.
Spohr said that it appears the captain punched in the emergency number into the cockpit door to gain entry, but the co-pilot deployed the five-minute over-ride. He said that, irrespective of all the sophisticated safety devices, “you can never exclude such an individual event”, adding “no system in the world could manage to do that”.
Asked about the theory that the co-pilot killed himself, he demurred. “We can only speculate what might have been the motivation of the co-pilot. In a company that prides itself on its safety record, this is a shock. We select cockpit personnel carefully.”
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If I was the captain I'd be embarrassed (the bathroom break heard round the world) but luckily they haven't released his name it seems. 
If course the poor guy just had to go and was perfectly in line with procedure.
I heard something interesting at the conference, something about DNA testing on flight control staff. Anybody know anything about that? Was that just a confused translation or do they run genetics in as a qualification? My German never really got beyond the basics. I should have gone over instead of staying home in high school.
If course the poor guy just had to go and was perfectly in line with procedure.I heard something interesting at the conference, something about DNA testing on flight control staff. Anybody know anything about that? Was that just a confused translation or do they run genetics in as a qualification? My German never really got beyond the basics. I should have gone over instead of staying home in high school.
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If I was the captain I'd be embarrassed (the bathroom break heard round the world) but luckily they haven't released his name it seems.
I heard something interesting at the conference, something about DNA testing on flight control staff. Anybody know anything about that? Was that just a confused translation or do they run genetics in as a qualification? My German never really got beyond the basics. I should have gone over instead of staying home in high school.
The DNA was for the family members who want to give sample in order to identify the remains of their beloved ones
Nah, he has one of those japanese ones that play music so nobody hears the potty business
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Blaming any of this on the pilot is absolutely unnecessary.If I was the captain I'd be embarrassed (the bathroom break heard round the world) but luckily they haven't released his name it seems.
I heard something interesting at the conference, something about DNA testing on flight control staff. Anybody know anything about that? Was that just a confused translation or do they run genetics in as a qualification? My German never really got beyond the basics. I should have gone over instead of staying home in high school.
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I had a disturbing thought cross my mind regarding it being suicide by the co-pilot.
He would've seen people get on the plane, people of all ages, race, gender etc, he would see them happy to be with their friends, family and he would end up taking them with him when he locked out the captain and started descending.
That's what disturbs me more than anything. The complete lack of thought for other peoples lives, he wanted out but decided to destroy hundreds of familes at the same time.
He would've seen people get on the plane, people of all ages, race, gender etc, he would see them happy to be with their friends, family and he would end up taking them with him when he locked out the captain and started descending.
That's what disturbs me more than anything. The complete lack of thought for other peoples lives, he wanted out but decided to destroy hundreds of familes at the same time.
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It strikes me as very odd indeed that the prosecutor has determined that the co-pilot is to blame so quickly and apparently so certainly, not to mention going public with all of this before most of the bodies have even been taken from the crash site. Either they have alot more information than we are being told about (which is perfectly plausible) or the prosecutor is making the same mistake as other non-experts and jumping to conclusions based on an incomplete set of facts.
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No to mention all the kids that were on the plane on a class trip.I had a disturbing thought cross my mind regarding it being suicide by the co-pilot.
He would've seen people get on the plane, people of all ages, race, gender etc, he would see them happy to be with their friends, family and he would end up taking them with him when he locked out the captain and started descending.
That's what disturbs me more than anything. The complete lack of thought for other peoples lives, he wanted out but decided to destroy hundreds of familes at the same time.
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They are basing this on what they have heard from the voice recorder. It's quite chilling how he explains how it occurred.
They hear the pilot leave. Locking the door. They can hear the co-pilot disengaging the flight monitoring system. And they hear him breath normally while the knocking on the door intensifies. And just before impact they hear some screaming.
They are basing this on what they have heard from the voice recorder. It's quite chilling how he explains how it occurred.
They hear the pilot leave. Locking the door. They can hear the co-pilot disengaging the flight monitoring system. And they hear him breath normally while the knocking on the door intensifies. And just before impact they hear some screaming.
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Well, everything points towards the co-pilot crashing the plane on purpose. One doesn't lock the captain out of the cockpit by accident.
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I'm not disputing that - I'm saying that it is highly unusual for a prosecutor to announce such a conclusion before the investigation has barely started.
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Seems like a rushed conclusion indeed (considering the black box registering cockpit commands is yet to be recovered), but it may be linked to the previous media leaks about content of the voice recorder...
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When you disengage the autopilot there's a distinctive tone (and another if it's disconnected by the plane). I imagine they've been keenly listening for that but haven't heard it. Pressing the button to override VNAV (the vertical portion of the pre-programmed navigation) and turning the dial to manually set an autopilot altitude (common as aircraft are given vectors to approach airports) just gives a series of clicks.
Several investigations in the past have centred on panel noises rather than cockpit converstations, as I said it's only a guess but given their certainty I think that's what's happened here.
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