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[occasionalracer]

It really hurts to see Sony in such a situation, they've been such an iconic company since the 80's and have always brought real decent quality. The Wega and Bravias have always been on top of electronic reviews, so for that to be the downfall of the company over the last years, cannot be blamed on them really but rather an unforeseen shift in how consumers purchase electronics. Like I said in my earlier post, there is a massive chunk of consumers willing to go with lower quality/cheaper products, to save a few bucks.

I forget what I read but apparently Sony wants to merge LCD panel production and development with Hitatchi and *someone else*, which is a really good thing I suppose because they will likely retain all their rights to their name, yet give a much more efficient operation.

Sony does have their hands in too many pockets with all the other consumer electronics, it might come down to cutting out a bunch of the small things like radio clocks, headphones (cheap ones), some car audio, iPod docking staions/boomboxes... whatever hasn't made good profits obviously, but one thing is for sure is that the Playstaion brand is the best thing they've got going right now. An innovative Orbis has to be their only child to tender to. The whole situation is kind of sad, because they have always given things a good effort.

 

[Luminis]

Imagine 2 games like Forza and GT on the same console. Why do I should remotely consider the purcase of another console or even a pc?

What you think makes "more sense" are not proven by facts. At the end of the day Sony are loosing money with a PS3 filled with fps and only 1 racing game.
Balance is the key.

Uhm, wait a sec. "Only 1 racing game"? The hell?

• GT5 and GT5
• Ridge Racer Unbounded
• Dirt 2 and 3
• NFS: The Run
• Midnight Clob: LA
• Shift 1 and 2
• Burnout Paradie
• NFS: Hot Pursuit
• Motorstorm, Pacific Rift and Apocalypse
• Nascar 2011
• F2010/2011
• Blur
• Modnation Racers
• NFS Pro Street
• Wipeout HD
• GRID
• MX vs. ATV
• Ridge Racer 7

And believe me, I could go on and on and on. GT5 isn't the only kind to make a racing game and it surely isn't the only racing game on the PS3. Maybe the only PS3 game that you like, but if you really believe that that will hurt Sony, you are delusional. GT5 is a very specific formula within the racing genre and I can assure you, it's not moving consoles because it's a console sim. Just look at how 'well' games like GTR and Race Pro sold on the Xbox. It's moving consoles because of two things:


First, the name. GT is bought by lots of people because it's GT and because it has cars and stuff, not because it's an awesome simulator. If the simulator bit was that important, you wouldn't see Forza's sales hovering somewhere around 30% of GT5's sales. And you wouldn't see a game like Race Pro failing to sell 150,000 copies worldwide.


Second, it's the only game with that sort of formula on the PS3 and it has been the only game with that formula, in general, until Forza was created.


Now, why would you need to cover a very unique formula, that is actually rather well catered for (or would be, had PD not screwed it up) with more than one game?


As for the FPS: As long as all of them sell as well as they do, why on earth would it be wrong to have as many as you can on your system? CoD: MW 2 and 3 as well as CoD: BO outsould GT5. The latter two by a rather huge margin, I might add.


So, to summarize: You want Sony to drop the best selling genre. You want to them to cover bases that are alread covered some more. You want them to cater to a very, very specific formula because 'the PS3 only has one racing game' which is a ridulous statement in and off itself.


Now, as far as having two games like Forza and GT5 on one console goes: I, personally, consider it entirely pointless to play them back to back. Sure, there are differences, but they cover very, very similar bases and follow a very, very similar formula. The difference are so minor that only some hardcore fans of that specific formula are actually interested in playing both games back to back, and that doesn't even go for all of them. My personal opinion is that they offer alternatives to each other - having both on one system, which would negate system-based differences such as XBL with chat for fee vs. PSN without but for free, would increase the redundancy even further. It'd be just like Shift 2: Most people would end up buying the better one and be PO'd that the inferior one wasn't better.


So, what I get from this whole (in my opinion rather pointless debate) is that you want moar GT on the PS3, no matter what, and because you and some members on GTP want it, you assume that everyone wants it. I can hardly see the evidence for that claim. Plus, Sony isn't anywhere near the situation to start development on a similar game, with all their cost cuttings right now.


Get over yourself and open your eyes. You are not the market and your view on games isn't the market's view on games. If it was, the Wii wouldn't have sold as well and you'd see racing sims sell well. And neither is the case. Deal with it, ignore it, but don't try to spin the whole thing around and claim that not catering to your taste is losing Sony (or anyone else, for that matter) money. I'm sick and tired of that behaviour. "I don't like X, therefore Y is stupid for doing it!" That's just not how it works. 🤬


Sorry for the long rant, but I'm really fed up with that.

Sony does have their hands in too many pockets with all the other consumer electronics, it might come down to cutting out a bunch of the small things like radio clocks, headphones (cheap ones), some car audio, iPod docking staions/boomboxes... whatever hasn't made good profits obviously, but one thing is for sure is that the Playstaion brand is the best thing they've got going right now. An innovative Orbis has to be their only child to tender to. The whole situation is kind of sad, because they have always given things a good effort.

Yeah, it's a bit of a shame that one of the few profitable departments within Sony might take the biggest hit from the need to cut costs. Ironic, isn't it? They kept financing their losses with their gaming department, and now, there's a distinct chance that the gaming department will take a hit because they need to make it as profitable as possible...


I could hardly blame Microsoft for trying to make sure that Sony takes as much damage as possible, though. Business is business.

 

[tribolik]

Uhm, wait a sec. "Only 1 racing game"? The hell?

• GT5 and GT5
• Ridge Racer Unbounded
• Dirt 2 and 3
• NFS: The Run
• Midnight Clob: LA
• Shift 1 and 2
• Burnout Paradie
• NFS: Hot Pursuit
• Motorstorm, Pacific Rift and Apocalypse
• Nascar 2011
• F2010/2011
• Blur
• Modnation Racers
• NFS Pro Street
• Wipeout HD
• GRID
• MX vs. ATV
• Ridge Racer 7

NFS: Undercover
NFS: Carbon
Superstars v8 Racing
Superstars v8 next challenge
Ferrari Challenge
Ferrari Race Experience
Supercar Challenge
TDU2
WRC and WRC 2012
F1 CE

and Im sure Im forgetting something...

 

[occasionalracer]

^SEGA Rally

 

[ch3ng]

It really hurts to see Sony in such a situation, they've been such an iconic company since the 80's and have always brought real decent quality. The Wega and Bravias have always been on top of electronic reviews, so for that to be the downfall of the company over the last years, cannot be blamed on them really but rather an unforeseen shift in how consumers purchase electronics. Like I said in my earlier post, there is a massive chunk of consumers willing to go with lower quality/cheaper products, to save a few bucks.

I forget what I read but apparently Sony wants to merge LCD panel production and development with Hitatchi and *someone else*, which is a really good thing I suppose because they will likely retain all their rights to their name, yet give a much more efficient operation.

Sony does have their hands in too many pockets with all the other consumer electronics, it might come down to cutting out a bunch of the small things like radio clocks, headphones (cheap ones), some car audio, iPod docking staions/boomboxes... whatever hasn't made good profits obviously, but one thing is for sure is that the Playstaion brand is the best thing they've got going right now. An innovative Orbis has to be their only child to tender to. The whole situation is kind of sad, because they have always given things a good effort.

Well. Sony had Great quality, but the opponents are cheaper and better now. The Consumer want the best product or cheap product. Sony dont produce both. Except console market.

 

[Luminis]

And even on the console market, they're behind both Nintendo (by a big margin) and Microsoft (by a small margin). I mean, really, there was a time when Sony products were the hot stuff. But, right now, they don't seem to be a dominant force anywhere.

 

[sikbeta]

*Philosoraptor meme

If GT5 sold 7.3 milions unit and counting

Why console devs thinks sims won't sell?

Because not all devs can make games that could reach the level of success GT Brand has, let alone keep it consistent, I mean GT5 sold 8m (not counting the 5m from GT5P) and you can say, "yeah, it didn't break previous sales record" but that's only because of the price barrier of the PS3, PS2 was $300 @ launch in 2000, a year later GT3 was released and sold 15m, GT4 launched in 2005 and managed to sell 12m despite that PS3 launched a year later and everyone was expecting the next gen GT game

If the plan was ok, "let's sell hardware on loss and make money with games!"

Sony has been doing this since the Original PlayStation, heck, most of their recent report of loses come from applying that strategy to their TVs (and taxes)

and then you only provide an half decent racer several years after PS3 release... well I think something goes wrong in the masterplan.

This is something Kaz explained, The game took 5 years because they were creating an Engine from scratch and then they made the cars from high polygons numbers to be re-usable in future iterations

In GT5 the the higher polygons cars are in Photomode, those are at 500k and that's what the PS3 can handle in those places where nothing is pre-rendered, in every other game mode, cars are downscaled to +300k poly per model because that was the PS3 can handle with 12 cars at the same time running and all that

So by GT6, cars will be be at more than 500k polygons and that way PD avoid problems like upscalling awfull low level models like it happened in GT5, where 800 cars are straight up ports from GT4 and upscaled in a way that those awful jaggies are everywhere

Also they had so many projects, after TT, they went for GTHD, then GT5P and then GTPSP

Most of PS3 losses are due to this poor strategy

Explained already

Seriously, at D1, They really were thinking to hype people with Riiiiiiiiiiidge Racer?

Hmm, no, first lauch lineup games are always kind of lame to be honest, but there are also delays, problems with dev kits and so on, it's not perfect, what really hurts the PS3 in the first 2 years was learning to code for CELL, games took long because is a different architecture

Wasn't their motto saying: "It simply does everything?" If you offer an all in one product, you wonna cover all the potential markets IN TIME, because that's how your model of business work.

That's marketing man, it only does everything is used to sell the console to people, it was created by the company that makes the ads for PS3, nothing else

SCEA/SCEE/SCEJ (SCEJ not so much) make First Party Exclusives, as far as I know they're delivering as usual, the year when "it only does everything" campaing started, was the same year when the Exclusive Game Uncharted 2 made by Naughty Dog (SCEA) won Game Of The Year 2009 👍

If you don't do that, people will buy your console and then after a year buy something else because you did't provide good stuff for their market.

Same can be said about JRPGs, loads of people bought a PS3 when FF13 + FFVs13 + FF7 Tech Demo were shown, of the three only FF13 came out and people keep asking for more JRPGs, it's not as simple as ask and receive, investment, large budgets, large teams, development time and effort make games

Bottom line, for PS4, Sony you better cut out a couple of un-necessary shooters

Agree with this, they should focus on one franchise per genre 👍

and develop a second solid racing game to gather more people from the market, and at the same time give them less reasons to buy other gaming platforms.

And disagree with this, they can't make 2 Racing Simulators at the same time, why they would compete with themselves? unless you're talking about one Sim and one Arcade, in that case that would be good and they could share licenses for models and all that, but at the same time, games should not be similar, which is kind of difficult to pull off

If people buy Microsoft because Forza and buy Pc because Sim Racing, as Luminis said not everyone care ONLY about racing, they can also buy fps, arcades, rpg's for your competitor's platforms effectively damaging your global market and you Sony loose, because you sell hardware on loss.

People who bought Forza did it because that's what they have available on their console, for them to play GT5 means they need a PS3 + Game ($360 when GT5 launched), to play Forza, they only need a copy which was $60 at lauch or wait a month and pay $30-$40 for it, even less now

Imagine 2 games like Forza and GT on the same console. Why do I should remotely consider the purcase of another console or even a pc?

That doesn't work, Racing is pretty straight forward, 2 similar games on the same console could only hurt sales of both series considering that 2 games = 2 teams, 2 budgets, 2 QA testers, 2 ad campaigns and more, better merge both and make one great game 👍

What you think makes "more sense" are not proven by facts. At the end of the day Sony are loosing money with a PS3 filled with fps and only 1 racing game.
Balance is the key.

What makes sence for Sony is have 1 franchise per genre and push them as hard as they can, publishers can have loads of FPS games if they wanted, because they can differenciate them with settings, story and gameplay, for Racing Games, you drive cars, master them and your Goal is to Win

 

[ch3ng]

Because not all devs can make games that could reach the level of success GT Brand has, let alone keep it consistent, I mean GT5 sold 8m (not counting the 5m from GT5P) and you can say, "yeah, it didn't break previous sales record" but that's only because of the price barrier of the PS3, PS2 was $300 @ launch in 2000, a year later GT3 was released and sold 15m, GT4 launched in 2005 and managed to sell 12m despite that PS3 launched a year later and everyone was expecting the next gen GT game

Sony has been doing this since the Original PlayStation, heck, most of their recent report of loses come from applying that strategy to their TVs (and taxes)

This is something Kaz explained, The game took 5 years because they were creating an Engine from scratch and then they made the cars from high polygons numbers to be re-usable in future iterations

In GT5 the the higher polygons cars are in Photomode, those are at 500k and that's what the PS3 can handle in those places where nothing is pre-rendered, in every other game mode, cars are downscaled to +300k poly per model because that was the PS3 can handle with 12 cars at the same time running and all that

So by GT6, cars will be be at more than 500k polygons and that way PD avoid problems like upscalling awfull low level models like it happened in GT5, where 800 cars are straight up ports from GT4 and upscaled in a way that those awful jaggies are everywhere

Also they had so many projects, after TT, they went for GTHD, then GT5P and then GTPSP

Explained already

Hmm, no, first lauch lineup games are always kind of lame to be honest, but there are also delays, problems with dev kits and so on, it's not perfect, what really hurts the PS3 in the first 2 years was learning to code for CELL, games took long because is a different architecture

That's marketing man, it only does everything is used to sell the console to people, it was created by the company that makes the ads for PS3, nothing else

SCEA/SCEE/SCEJ (SCEJ not so much) make First Party Exclusives, as far as I know they're delivering as usual, the year when "it only does everything" campaing started, was the same year when the Exclusive Game Uncharted 2 made by Naughty Dog (SCEA) won Game Of The Year 2009 👍

Same can be said about JRPGs, loads of people bought a PS3 when FF13 + FFVs13 + FF7 Tech Demo were shown, of the three only FF13 came out and people keep asking for more JRPGs, it's not as simple as ask and receive, investment, large budgets, large teams, development time and effort make games

Agree with this, they should focus on one franchise per genre 👍

And disagree with this, they can't make 2 Racing Simulators at the same time, why they would compete with themselves? unless you're talking about one Sim and one Arcade, in that case that would be good and they could share licenses for models and all that, but at the same time, games should not be similar, which is kind of difficult to pull off

People who bought Forza did it because that's what they have available on their console, for them to play GT5 means they need a PS3 + Game ($360 when GT5 launched), to play Forza, they only need a copy which was $60 at lauch or wait a month and pay $30-$40 for it, even less now

That doesn't work, Racing is pretty straight forward, 2 similar games on the same console could only hurt sales of both series considering that 2 games = 2 teams, 2 budgets, 2 QA testers, 2 ad campaigns and more, better merge both and make one great game 👍

What makes sence for Sony is have 1 franchise per genre and push them as hard as they can, publishers can have loads of FPS games if they wanted, because they can differenciate them with settings, story and gameplay, for Racing Games, you drive cars, master them and your Goal is to Win

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Good explained. That was what i wanted to say, but i can't because my english isn't Good

Well if you think about it. - Maybe i forgot Games

First Person Shooter - Halo and Killzone
Third Person Shooter - Gears and Résistance and Socom but the Studio is Closed now

You can see that they decided to make only One shooter per sub Genre. Its like making a Fantasy, Arcade or SIM racer. And you explained why 2 sims from the Same Company doesnt make sense. All other Genres can have 2 games, because it - the games - can be more different.

 

[Jello18]

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Good explained. That was what i wanted to say, but i can't because my english isn't Good

Well if you think about it. - Maybe i forgot Games

First Person Shooter - Halo and Killzone
Third Person Shooter - Gears and Résistance and Socom but the Studio is Closed now

You can see that they decided to make only One shooter per sub Genre. Its like making a Fantasy, Arcade or SIM racer. And you explained why 2 sims from the Same Company doesnt make sense. All other Genres can have 2 games, because it - the games - can be more different.

Resistance is a first person shooter. I agree with only one racing sim from the same company

 

[HKS racer]

Uhm, wait a sec. "Only 1 racing game"? The hell?

No need of wall of text, I mean only 1 DECENT racing game. The stuff you listed are just... well, I don't want to break the AUP. And No, GT5 is not a full sim, it doesn't simulate stuff as in pc sim racing. GT5 is a decent racing GAME with good FFB. "The real draving simulator" is only a marketing phrase.

And sikbeta no, I won't reply with another wall of text to who is saing having 2 good racing games on console is wrong because they become "rivals". If that's the case, they should have only one decent game for genre.

Instead there are thousand of carbon copy shooters. Because every dev thinking that is the "cash cow". And the end up saturating the market not making the money they were expecting.

publishers can have loads of FPS games if they wanted, because they can differenciate them with settings, story and gameplay, for Racing Games, you drive cars, master them and your Goal is to Win

All those sim racing comunities are all crazy then. They all should play just one racing game. SMS shame on you for pCars, Kunos shame on you for Assetto Corsa, Sim Bin shame on you for GTR3, ISI shame on you for rFactor 2.... You all should play ONE AND ONLY ONE racing game and build loads of fps instead, because they have story and you can differenciate them with settings and gameplay!

 

[HKS racer]

.

 

[Luminis]

No need of wall of text, I mean only 1 DECENT racing game. The stuff you listed are just... well, I don't want to break the AUP.

Oh, please, the point is, you don't see your tastes catered to, so you just act as if the need for more sims is a fact. That's just your opinion, and if more people would learn that their ****ing opinion is not a ****ing fact, we wouldn't have to debate this **** every single time.

Get over it, the market is not filled with sim racers! That's why most 'sims', aside from FM and GT have ****ing pathetic sales!

And No, GT5 is not a full sim, it doesn't simulate stuff as in pc sim racing. GT5 is a decent racing GAME with good FFB. "The real draving simulator" is only a marketing phrase.

Guess what, I ****ing know that! Not being a full-blown sim is one of the primary reasons why both FM and GT sell well and games like Race Pro don't, at all. So, why the ****ing hell would anyone need more sims on their console?! And that was your initial point, wasn't it? That Sony needs more sims because they'd otherwise be ****ed. But, sims don't selll very well, which is plain as day for anyone to see!

And sikbeta no, I won't reply with another wall of text to who is saing having 2 good racing games on console is wrong because they become "rivals". If that's the case, they should have only one decent game for genre.

Did it ever occur to you that the market for shooters is bigger than that for racing sims?! The market for driving games is there, but the games that can work on that market are games like NFS.

Instead there are thousand of carbon copy shooters. Because every dev thinking that is the "cash cow". And the end up saturating the market not making the money they were expecting.

For the love of ****ing god, FPS games ARE cash cowws right now! Just look at the market and the sales! You're rambling on about how there are too many shooters, but did you ever bother to check your ****ing facts? No?! Thought so!

The top 15 best selling racing games for the PS3 total an amount of roughly 34 million copies.

The top five(!) best selliing shooters on the PS3 are exceeding 40 million copies!

And as far as "GT-similar" games go: You can take all of the sales that Forza 2, 3, 4, GT5 and GT5 managed to get this generation. They equal about 22 million copies in total. It takes two call of dutie games to sell that! On ONE system! TWO ****ing Call of Duty games are selling as much as three Forza games and two Gran Turismo games, and you are honestly trying to claim that FPS gameres are NOT the ultimate cash cow right now?! How far from reality is that argumantion?!

The conclusion is the simple: There's just a bigger market for shooters than there is for racing games! I don't get why that's so ****ing hard to accept!

All those sim racing comunities are all crazy then. They all should play just one racing game. SMS shame on you for pCars, Kunos shame on you for Assetto Corsa, Sim Bin shame on you for GTR3, ISI shame on you for rFactor 2.... You all should play ONE AND ONLY ONE racing game and build loads of fps instead, because they have story and you can differenciate them with settings and gameplay!

You can try and fail aat sarcasm all day long, as far as I am concerned, but do you realize that the funny part is that the next CoD will likely sell more copies than ALL of your games combined! You can QQ about that for all I care, but don't try to sell it off as a fact that racing sims sell like ****ing hotcakes or that Sony, or anyone, needs them to survive.

So, here's the question: You have two possibilities:

First: Release a generic shooter and sell 12 million copies.
second: Release four different racing games and sell maybe six million copies.

If you think that going for option two is the better decision, than Sony should be ****ing glad that you have absolutely zero say in the matter! Because you obviously fail to realizie that your ****ing opinion is not the opinion of the ****ing market! Now, for all I care, carry on with that 'discussion'! I, for one, am done with this ****. As long as people value their own ****ing opinion higher than the goddamn facts, it's entire pointless to discuss whether the strategy Sony might be aming for is a good one or not!

 

[Sier_Pinski]

That's quite alot of asterisks. And aren't we supposed to be primarily talking about the PS4?

 

[HKS racer]

Valeriana Officinalis

Valerian, in pharmacology and phytotherapic medicine, is the name of an herb or dietary supplement prepared from roots of the plant, which, after maceration, trituration and dehydration processes, are packaged, usually into capsules. Based on its pharmacological mode of action, valerian root has been demonstrated to possess sedative and anxiolytic effects.

 

[Sier_Pinski]

What.

 

[Slash]

Valeriana Officinalis

Valerian, in pharmacology and phytotherapic medicine, is the name of an herb or dietary supplement prepared from roots of the plant, which, after maceration, trituration and dehydration processes, are packaged, usually into capsules. Based on its pharmacological mode of action, valerian root has been demonstrated to possess sedative and anxiolytic effects.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[HKS racer]

What does that have to do with anything?

I was just trying to help someone who posted more asterisks than words. Valeriana is a great remedy for anxious people.

 

[Tornado]

I think I know of a better remedy: Try actually debating what he's saying rather than deflecting with obnoxious sarcasm because you dug yourself into a hole.

 

[tribolik]

I was just trying to help someone who posted more asterisks than words. Valeriana is a great remedy for anxious people.

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Here is another one (if you are in Holland) but that has nothing to do with the topic (even if you are a doctor wich I doubt).
Either if his anxious or not as long as he stays on topic I dont see the big deal.

 

[AMG.]

Ok guys you had your fun, move on and stay on topic. 👍

 

[TokoTurismo]

Ok guys you had your fun, move on and stay on topic. 👍

Agreed. I sometimes read this thread and found out a "weed like" plant was being talked about, over the PS4/Orbis.

 

[Luminis]

I think I know of a better remedy: Try actually debating what he's saying rather than deflecting with obnoxious sarcasm because you dug yourself into a hole.

👍 x10

 

[HKS racer]

Luminis if you care to explain in a decent manner what you was trying to say I might consider replying. Because you know, I stop reading at the third cenosered word. I have no time for childish trolls seriously.

 

[Tesla]

Luminis if you care to explain in a decent manner what you was trying to say I might consider replying. Because you know, I stop reading at the third cenosered word. I have no time for childish trolls seriously.

TL;DR

Sony would make multiple games of a single genre, most of which will sell well, over multiple games of another genre that only appeals to a niche and will sell less. Is it that hard to understand from a business' point of view?

 

[HKS racer]

What I'm trying to say is:
-If you sell your consoles on loss and create few games for it, trying to cover all genres, because you can't do them all, then you have to hope other producers give you good games, So you can have at least 2 or 3 good titles in all the genres.
- What happen'd instead? Other producers built tons of fps saturating the fps market and not good enough racing games. With the big fail of Shift 2 and the lack of GT5 features some PS3 users bought an X360 because of Forza, other went on PC's. And when you have a 360 or PC's most of people don't buy only racing games. If you buy COD on 360 you don't buy COD on PS3, this is where Sony strategy failed.
- Selling hardware on loss and hoping partners like EA and Codemasters give you quality stuff has proved to be a risky strategy.

 

[sikbeta]

What I'm trying to say is:
-If you sell your consoles on loss and create few games for it, trying to cover all genres, because you can't do them all, then you have to hope other producers give you good games, So you can have at least 2 or 3 good titles in all the genres.

Yet, you ask for 2 Racing Games (Sims ) at the same time

SCE has covered:

TPS: Uncharted
Tactical Shooter: SOCOM
FPS: Killzone and Resistance
hack & Slash: God Of War
Racing Sim: GT
Arcade Racing: MotorStorm / Wipeout (futuristic though)
JRPG: FF / DS /Disgaea ....
Platformer: Ratchet & Clanck
Sandbox: InFamous
Sports: MLB The Show / Hot Shot Golf
And more I missing right now...

The problem of the PS3 are not the games, it's the console with more exclusives, the problem with the PS3 is the PRICE, if this discussion was back in 2006/7 you'd be right, but 6 years into the present, games are not the problem anymore

2 Racing Sims made by SCE for the same console is out of the question, GT will always win and the new one will be left behind

And another thing, those who complain about GT not being Realistic enough because it has too many aids and all that, the game is made to appeal as much players as possible (it's not like you can't turn off the aids )

with no aids: average joe buy GT because he recognize the game, heard about it, watched ads and want to try out, can't win a single race, gets frustrated, trade game next day 👎

with aids: average joe buy GT because he recognize the game, heard about it, watched ads and want to try out, win races and feel awesome, keep going and feel like the best, later try to test himself by switching aids off little by little, realize he can go on without them, keep racing and master the game after months 👍

 

[ch3ng]

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Well i would like to See more sims or "Real Racer" like Forza, GT. And pCARS will be Out. BUT you wanted that 1 Publisher creates 2 Racing sims and that will Never happen, because ist would be stupid.

And you can't compare other Genre with the Racing gerne.

 

[Spagetti69]

Are not codemasters making 2 dirt games this year, one is arcade the other a demolition derby knockoff?

Both games will be crap but publishers do attempt to cash in on a brand.

 

[ch3ng]

Are not codemasters making 2 dirt games this year, one is arcade the other a demolition derby knockoff?

Both games will be crap but publishers do attempt to cash in on a brand.

I dont know. But you did a mistake here

The Racing Games have two Totally different Settings and are both Arcade games. A Rally and a Destruction derby Game.

That's what i'm Talking about. Different Settings = wider Range target group.

2 Racing sims from 1 Publisher = 1 Target Group and less Sells for each and much higher costs.

Are EA making two FIFA sims? No because ist doesnt make Sense.. They made FIFA SIM with different Settings World Cup/ European Cup.
It was a Game Between the developer Cycle of the New FIFA Game. Like GT5 Prologue.

Or they made FIFA street which has a different Setting and is a Arcade Game.


Well Enough off-topic from me. I want to Apologize to the other Users.

Are there New rumours about ps4?

 

[tribolik]

Sony did make two good exclusive racing games for the PS3 (without counting GT5P)
Well you can argue that GT5 isnt a racing game but a driving game.... But F1 CE is still one of the best racing experiences for the PS3 IMO.
And Im really enjoying Supercar Challenge and it now costs around 13 Euros on the PSN